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Post by MFWalkoff on Aug 8, 2019 4:57:28 GMT
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Post by Kao on Aug 8, 2019 18:36:28 GMT
Well, it sounds like it could be decent this time around. So many people gained back most of the weight they lost and I'm pretty sure the reason why was lack of aftercare. They had a controlled diet and worked out literally all day while in the house and were never taught a sustainable, lifestyle-changing way to lose weight and keep it off.
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Post by Bearcata on Aug 9, 2019 4:20:08 GMT
Well, it sounds like it could be decent this time around. So many people gained back most of the weight they lost and I'm pretty sure the reason why was lack of aftercare. They had a controlled diet and worked out literally all day while in the house and were never taught a sustainable, lifestyle-changing way to lose weight and keep it off. Loosing weight is a particular skillset. Maintaining your weight is an entirely different skillset.
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Post by Critical on Aug 13, 2019 1:07:56 GMT
I think the problem with the series was not that people gained their weight back, because that often happens when people fail to maintain the healthy habits that helped them lose the weight. The problem was that they weren't being taught healthy habits to lose the weight in the first place. I've read quite a few accounts from contestants about how they lost the weight and things they were encouraged to do to lose it and it wasn't safe, healthy OR sustainable. I don't remember anyone talking about drugs, but I do remember one of the women saying she was encouraged (I honestly can't remember by whom) to ingest lots of foods that are diuretics before the final weigh-in. The same kinds of things wrestlers do to get to a certain weight class.
This show never seemed to care about "slow and steady." The producers cared about BIG losses on the scale at the weigh-ins. I'll never forget the looks of shock on Bob's and Jillian's faces when Rachel walked out on stage at the final weigh-in in season 15. It was clear she'd gone too far.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 16, 2019 0:19:23 GMT
I think the problem with the series was not that people gained their weight back, because that often happens when people fail to maintain the healthy habits that helped them lose the weight. The problem was that they weren't being taught healthy habits to lose the weight in the first place. I've read quite a few accounts from contestants about how they lost the weight and things they were encouraged to do to lose it and it wasn't safe, healthy OR sustainable. I don't remember anyone talking about drugs, but I do remember one of the women saying she was encouraged (I honestly can't remember by whom) to ingest lots of foods that are diuretics before the final weigh-in. The same kinds of things wrestlers do to get to a certain weight class. This show never seemed to care about "slow and steady." The producers cared about BIG losses on the scale at the weigh-ins. I'll never forget the looks of shock on Bob's and Jillian's faces when Rachel walked out on stage at the final weigh-in in season 15. It was clear she'd gone too far. I think when the show started they had good intentions and some decent science behind it and folks do go to fat camps and do intensive exercise and dieting to lose weight. The first season or so wasn't and the folks had reasonable amounts to lose 60, 70, 90 lbs that can be lost safely in the 6 month time period allotted for each season. But then it got crazy with the super heavy weights coming in and the producers pushing the cast to do crazy things. The biggest thing is any changes made need to be permanent and that simply was not happening. Also you have to consider the contestants reasons for losing the weight. Season one winner did it for the money and he gained it all back. There have been folks who have been successful with this show and all the support it sprouted, but the bad, negative stuff is always more entertaining. I will probably watch the premiere and based on that will decide weather or not to watch the rest of the season.
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Post by Brooks on Sept 17, 2019 18:45:44 GMT
I think it's mostly a matter of regulating your hormones. Focusing on just eat less/exercise more doesn't get you there. To me, this series proved that.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jan 27, 2020 16:57:33 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Jan 28, 2020 2:33:59 GMT
Thanks MFWalkoff for setting up this page!!! I am looking forward to this reboot!!! DVR is set!!!
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Post by Bearcata on Jan 29, 2020 16:42:54 GMT
Well I watched the premiere episode last night. mmmm so what was different. Oh they will have a room to discuss their feelings. After the meet and greet, the first weigh in Bob Harper asked the teams to run a mile course to set up a baseline for everyone. A regular weight person should be able to run/walk a mile between 12 to 15 minutes. 15 minutes is a fast walk. There is a hill of course. How different is this from the one season of BL that they did and a person ended up in the hospital? The one lady Phi at 357 and obviously not in shape I was concerned about. I was shocked how well everyone did ranging from lots of 18 minutes. Tells me these folks are in better shape then they think because I would not be able to do it in that time. The Blue Team won a 6 lb advantage in the weigh in. The Blue Team does seem kinda stacked though and I think they were a tad arrogant about the win. I was shocked that Phi only lost 6 pounds at the weight in considering how big she is. Glad that the Red Team won. Robert the football player on the Blue Team who bragged how he was a natural leader because he was a football player and would lead his team to victory was sent home. People who tell me they are natural leaders are the first person I would ignore. It is so annoying when they say that over and over again that I want to smack them.
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Post by brycola on Jan 29, 2020 16:47:20 GMT
(Spoilers if you haven't seen it yet)
I really enjoyed the premier. I've always liked Bob, and I've followed Steve Cook on social media for a long time. It's clear they're focusing more on the mental part of weight loss than in past seasons, which is very important...and I think the MOST important. As someone that has struggled with weight on and off for decades, I know it's all in my head. So it's good to see them focusing on that. I was so sad to see Robert be the first sent home. I really liked his attitude and personality. I thought it was a little cruel to even send someone home after just 1 week. These people are trying to change their lives. I think they shouldn't eliminate anyone until at least after 2 weeks. Give them time to start to get in a healthy routine at least.
Think I'm going to enjoy the BL reboot.
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Post by Kao on Jan 29, 2020 21:17:09 GMT
I wonder how much exercise these people get every day? Even allowing for the pounds overly obese people generally lose when they first star being active those were some big numbers last night.
I like Bob as the host and the two trainers.
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Post by Critical on Jan 30, 2020 11:37:11 GMT
I've always thought they should NOT eliminate anyone for the first few weeks of the competition, so they can really get the benefits of the training and nutritional advice. I'm glad they seem to be giving the eliminated contestants those tools after they leave the show.
It almost didn't seem fair that Robert was a good deal bigger than the rest of the group. He had to lose a ton more weight to have his weight loss percentage be high enough.
It seems like they've chosen people this time who aren't quite as large as in previous seasons.
I like the new trainers and I love Bob (he IS the show for me), so the show is on my DVR again.
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 1, 2020 2:13:00 GMT
I've always thought they should NOT eliminate anyone for the first few weeks of the competition, so they can really get the benefits of the training and nutritional advice. I'm glad they seem to be giving the eliminated contestants those tools after they leave the show.
It almost didn't seem fair that Robert was a good deal bigger than the rest of the group. He had to lose a ton more weight to have his weight loss percentage be high enough. It seems like they've chosen people this time who aren't quite as large as in previous seasons. I like the new trainers and I love Bob (he IS the show for me), so the show is on my DVR again. The original show also gave the contestants tools to lose weight, free gym memberships, check ins with the trainers and nutritionists so it is the same. I noticed that too. If the current season actually gives the contestants 6 months to lose the weight you can really see big differences at 60, 70, 80 lb weight losses.
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Post by Critical on Feb 5, 2020 1:42:43 GMT
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Post by Kao on Feb 5, 2020 15:24:06 GMT
I think the person who left yesterday had PCOS (which makes it difficult to lose weight even if you are eating right and exercising regularly as she was on the show). Someone of her size getting the exercise she was getting after a period of inactivity should have lost a lot more weight otherwise. I was very pleased to see that she is continuing to lose weight on her own.
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 6, 2020 20:30:54 GMT
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Post by Kao on Feb 6, 2020 23:13:15 GMT
I agree with this statement. Exercise is important but losing weight has much more to do with what goes in your mouth.
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 7, 2020 2:14:10 GMT
I think the writer needs to get over herself. 40 percent of adult in the US are obese, not a comfortable 40 to 50 lbs but more like 100 to 200 lbs over weight. That is not healthy for anyone. I do not need to hear someone nay say this show it has been done better by others. The premise of eating right and exercising multiple hours a day works. People pay big money to go to month long boot camps to do just that. Janet Jackson has done her own fat boot camp multiple times over the years and everyone oohs and aahs when she drops 60 lbs in 2 months. Dropping the temptations and other cheap ratings tricks is a good thing. The show has always provided exercise advice, nutritional support, and gym memberships to eliminated contestants so that is nothing new. Group therapy is not a bad thing so good for them having that. The writer misses a big point. No one is going to watch an hour of tv where the contestants eat their food and maybe exercise an hour a day. I both liked and hated the original Biggest Loser, the reality show of doing whatever you have to to win could get intense and uncomfortable to watch. There have been some winners who were very easy to "hate". The show did inspire people to lose weight and become fit and healthy. If this show helps some people well good. One thing about the original Biggest Loser is no one put a gun to any of those folks to behave badly and it was a pain to listen to viewers and other critics complain about it. A comment on the writers stating that the original Biggest Loser was a proponent of body shaming. Get a life. People have dissed fat people way before Biggest Loser was an idea in a producer's head. Having a 12 or 20 yr old kid weight in a 300lbs and being alarmed about it is not fat shaming it is watching some one be in crisis and probably dying very young due to complications of being over weight. The contestants on BL are at least trying to do something about their health and these wannabee snarky writers need to go hang.
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Post by Critical on Feb 7, 2020 5:44:58 GMT
Yep, you lose weight in the kitchen and get fit in the gym. Oh, and you can't outrun your fork! I think getting the contestants into a workout program is great, but this show does get excessive, IMO. I don't happen to believe working out so hard that you vomit is a good thing. I guess it's considered "better tv" to show them all working out instead of sitting around talking about healthy eating or just cooking healthy foods I think this reboot worked to eliminate the really toxic aspects of the original series. We may not know if it's truly successful until the end though. People do dumb things when tons of money is involved.
ETA: As for Phi having POS. Maybe she does have it, but you know who else does? Jillian Michaels.
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Post by Kao on Feb 7, 2020 16:47:39 GMT
Yep, you lose weight in the kitchen and get fit in the gym. Oh, and you can't outrun your fork! I think getting the contestants into a workout program is great, but this show does get excessive, IMO. I don't happen to believe working out so hard that you vomit is a good thing. I guess it's considered "better tv" to show them all working out instead of sitting around talking about healthy eating or just cooking healthy foods I think this reboot worked to eliminate the really toxic aspects of the original series. We may not know if it's truly successful until the end though. People do dumb things when tons of money is involved.
ETA: As for Phi having POS. Maybe she does have it, but you know who else does? Jillian Michaels.
Without taking away Jillian's accomplishments there's a huge difference between being a teenager with PCOS and a 36 year old; it's easier to lose weight and she only had 50 lbs to lose vs 200. She also was not on medication. As a PCOS sufferer I looked up articles on how Michaels conquered it looking for tips and only found copies of the same interview where she doesn't say much except she gave up sugar and grains (something most sufferers are already doing) so not particularly helpful.
Phi couldn't say how much weight she has lost due to legal reasons but did have this to say in a post-show interview: I'm really happy for her!
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Post by Critical on Feb 7, 2020 19:21:06 GMT
^^^^ True, but there are MANY other women with PCOS who are able to maintain a healthy weight. I have several friends who do. It can make weight loss more difficult, but not impossible.
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 8, 2020 14:15:51 GMT
Yep, you lose weight in the kitchen and get fit in the gym. Oh, and you can't outrun your fork! I think getting the contestants into a workout program is great, but this show does get excessive, IMO. I don't happen to believe working out so hard that you vomit is a good thing. I guess it's considered "better tv" to show them all working out instead of sitting around talking about healthy eating or just cooking healthy foods I think this reboot worked to eliminate the really toxic aspects of the original series. We may not know if it's truly successful until the end though. People do dumb things when tons of money is involved.
ETA: As for Phi having POS. Maybe she does have it, but you know who else does? Jillian Michaels.
Without taking away Jillian's accomplishments there's a huge difference between being a teenager with PCOS and a 36 year old; it's easier to lose weight and she only had 50 lbs to lose vs 200. She also was not on medication. As a PCOS sufferer I looked up articles on how Michaels conquered it looking for tips and only found copies of the same interview where she doesn't say much except she gave up sugar and grains (something most sufferers are already doing) so not particularly helpful.
Phi couldn't say how much weight she has lost due to legal reasons but did have this to say in a post-show interview: I'm really happy for her!
What legal reasons? Anytime a contestant is eliminated and we see the clip they always state how much they have lost, it is not the amount we will see at the finale so what was the issue.
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 8, 2020 15:24:46 GMT
Yep, you lose weight in the kitchen and get fit in the gym. Oh, and you can't outrun your fork! I think getting the contestants into a workout program is great, but this show does get excessive, IMO. I don't happen to believe working out so hard that you vomit is a good thing. I guess it's considered "better tv" to show them all working out instead of sitting around talking about healthy eating or just cooking healthy foods I think this reboot worked to eliminate the really toxic aspects of the original series. We may not know if it's truly successful until the end though. People do dumb things when tons of money is involved.
ETA: As for Phi having POS. Maybe she does have it, but you know who else does? Jillian Michaels.
Without taking away Jillian's accomplishments there's a huge difference between being a teenager with PCOS and a 36 year old; it's easier to lose weight and she only had 50 lbs to lose vs 200. She also was not on medication. As a PCOS sufferer I looked up articles on how Michaels conquered it looking for tips and only found copies of the same interview where she doesn't say much except she gave up sugar and grains (something most sufferers are already doing) so not particularly helpful.
Phi couldn't say how much weight she has lost due to legal reasons but did have this to say in a post-show interview: I'm really happy for her!
please provide the url/link for the interview.
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 8, 2020 15:26:32 GMT
I just watched the episode and in the post elimination Phi states she has lost 21 pounds since she has been eliminated. So in addition to her 2 week 12 lb weight loss at the Ranch she is down 33 lbs. Good for her. She seems happy.
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 8, 2020 15:27:52 GMT
If anyone was having a lousy attitude and pushing their team is was Coach Steve.
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 8, 2020 16:01:24 GMT
I hated that Delores (Blue Team) went after Phi saying she should have gone home after the first weight in. I was so glad that Phi stood up to her and told her calmly and professionally that yes she deserves to be here per the rules.
I know so many females like Delores that are so righteous that they are right and everyone else is wrong and they put you down with their opinion and attitude totally ignorant of the pain and anguish they are causing or they simply so not care.
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Post by Kao on Feb 8, 2020 16:13:31 GMT
Without taking away Jillian's accomplishments there's a huge difference between being a teenager with PCOS and a 36 year old; it's easier to lose weight and she only had 50 lbs to lose vs 200. She also was not on medication. As a PCOS sufferer I looked up articles on how Michaels conquered it looking for tips and only found copies of the same interview where she doesn't say much except she gave up sugar and grains (something most sufferers are already doing) so not particularly helpful.
Phi couldn't say how much weight she has lost due to legal reasons but did have this to say in a post-show interview: I'm really happy for her!
What legal reasons? Anytime a contestant is eliminated and we see the clip they always state how much they have lost, it is not the amount we will see at the finale so what was the issue. They are allowed to say how much they have lost on the "where they are now" segments of the show which was filmed a while ago. The interview I read was rather recent, and they are not allowed to say how much more they have lost on non-Biggest Loser stuff because of the 25k competition and wanting numbers to be a surprise.
Here's the full article I read:
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 13, 2020 4:04:59 GMT
Dominico's Before and After shots didn't look that different.
He seems to be having trouble with the food now that he is off the show. Very up and down.
One thing many of the winners of this show have stated is that they stuck to the diet and that is what really helped them lose all of the weight.
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Post by Critical on Feb 13, 2020 4:39:53 GMT
Dominico's Before and After shots didn't look that different. He seems to be having trouble with the food now that he is off the show. Very up and down. One thing many of the winners of this show have stated is that they stuck to the diet and that is what really helped them lose all of the weight. Yep, you can't outrun your fork!
I'm not surprised by Dom's lack of progress. He seemed to have some major food issues.
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 13, 2020 23:30:08 GMT
Dominico's Before and After shots didn't look that different. He seems to be having trouble with the food now that he is off the show. Very up and down. One thing many of the winners of this show have stated is that they stuck to the diet and that is what really helped them lose all of the weight. Yep, you can't outrun your fork!
I'm not surprised by Dom's lack of progress. He seemed to have some major food issues.
Major self confidence issues. Major consistency issues. Major ups and downs emotionally. He gets rattled easily with any hint of failure/bad luck. The blue team has two younger fitter male team mates that are hard to beat in a challenge. However from a numbers perspective the Red Team would have won every single weight in if the Blue Team did not receive any weight advantages during the weight ins. That means in the long run the Red Team is doing better than the Blue Team as far as losing weight. If Dom had put in the effort to be consistent with his diet he would have helped his team win the weight in. Winning the weight in and staying above the yellow line is what really matters not a physical challenge. Dom quit competing against a 23 yr old kid (Micah) who played basketball and football in high school you have to simply concentrate of being the best you.
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