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Post by tinderbox on Nov 30, 2018 0:06:53 GMT
I think Jack thought Nicky was in the boat they blew up. I loved this episode, there was a lot to unpack, and the emotions at times, were so raw. The episode before this, right at the end, young Randall, who I adore made me cry. This time it was Tess. These kids! I think it was the woman in the picture who was on the boat that blew up. Just a gut feeling. I believe there's a lot more to the story of Jack and the woman.
I also think Jack knew his brother was alive and protecting him, by saying he was dead, in some way.
Think the actress who plays Tess did a great job with her storyline.
Happy Kate's storyline ended on a happy note...for once!
Jack is my favorite character and I am a bit worried he will fade into the background with each new season.
I enjoyed the episode.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Dec 2, 2018 14:47:56 GMT
I think Jack thought Nicky was in the boat they blew up. I loved this episode, there was a lot to unpack, and the emotions at times, were so raw. The episode before this, right at the end, young Randall, who I adore made me cry. This time it was Tess. These kids! I think it was the woman in the picture who was on the boat that blew up. Just a gut feeling. I believe there's a lot more to the story of Jack and the woman.
I also think Jack knew his brother was alive and protecting him, by saying he was dead, in some way.
Think the actress who plays Tess did a great job with her storyline.
Happy Kate's storyline ended on a happy note...for once!
Jack is my favorite character and I am a bit worried he will fade into the background with each new season.
I enjoyed the episode.
Maybe the explosion was either a deliberate or accidental but convenient diversion that did not kill Nicky but allowed him to disappear and go AWOL. Perhaps in time Jack knew about it but kept it a secret to keep Nicky from being arrested. I wonder if the necklace was Nicky's, given to him by that woman. Pure speculation! The only thing that suggests Jack did NOT know Nicky was alive, if indeed he is or was, is that Jack said he had only one job to do, which was to take care of his brother, and he failed. Who knows? Now we have to wait over a month to find out more!
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Post by holly on Dec 3, 2018 17:15:24 GMT
The Kevin-Zoe relationship developed a little too fast and lacks depth and authenticity to me. He couldn't make it work with his longtime love Sophie, but we're supposed to believe this is it for him? I hope not. This is exactly what I was trying to say when I said the relationship seemed "forced"
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jan 8, 2019 22:00:29 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jan 8, 2019 22:31:44 GMT
I think Phylicia Rashad is a great choice as Beth's mother. And I've really loved her work, through the years --- especially as Claire Huxtable. Now, my only problem is to try very hard to separate the 'actress' from the 'person' who defended Bill Cosby waaay too long, and may still be defending him.!!! www.latimes.com/entertainment/82487397-157.html
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Post by mika06 on Jan 9, 2019 4:59:21 GMT
I so love this casting especially with the history between Susan and Phylicia.
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Post by tapper01 on Jan 17, 2019 2:06:06 GMT
what is the history between Susan and Phylicia?
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Post by mika06 on Jan 17, 2019 4:10:28 GMT
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Post by MissScarlet on Jan 19, 2019 19:46:44 GMT
I just loved that Randall won the election. He showed 'em all. Now the real work starts for him.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jan 20, 2019 0:26:31 GMT
How cool! Love this! Thanks for sharing, mika!
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Post by Navybelle on Jan 21, 2019 20:45:03 GMT
The latest episode was not my favorite, and not just because there was so little Jack in it. I thought the whole DNS/donations storyline was silly and a waste of time. I don't like Kate much anyway and then they make her look dumb by thinking DNS meant donations? ? And going to chase down the college kid who had them was boring too. Who cares? I didn't, and the only thing I did like was the stadium at the end, which made her cry. That was sweet. Kevin and his new live-in don't really move me, either. She's flighty, I don't trust her, and I'm just not that invested in them. Like ya'll stated before, it's been rushed and forced upon us a bit. I like Kevin following up on the uncle's story. That part is interesting, and I'm intrigued to see where it goes. But his romance is just ho-hum to me. The real reason I was disappointed lately was the strife between Randall and Beth. Maybe I missed something, but Beth's support was cut off suddenly and harshly. She'd been all behind him for awhile there, then all of the sudden she was DONE, and he had hell to pay to not cave in to her demands. I get that he'd been spending too much time away from the family, putting in too many hours, but she'd been giving him her support knowing all this would happen. And the way she treated him was horrible. I couldn't get behind her this time, and really felt for him. When they "made up" in bed at the end, again she was saying what a great man he was and how she married him for being the way he is! Huh? You didn't like that about him last we heard! It seemed like the show just threw the "argument" into the mix to amp up the drama, so it didn't seem genuine to me. And now that Randall's won, and his district is so far from their home, there will be new hell to pay. Will they have to move, will Beth cut him off again for being away a lot...? I'm not nearly as into this show anymore, not excited about when it's coming on next or anything. If I catch it, fine, if not, oh well. And that makes me sad because I really liked this show -- maybe I'll go back and watch the old episodes instead of the new ones, and just read up on what's happening in case I want to tune in again.
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Post by holly on Jan 22, 2019 15:47:08 GMT
^ ugh! For real! I can’t stand the Kate character & who doesn’t know that the original Star Wars action figures are collectible? Seriously. But I will also say, why would Toby leave the box on the counter instead of putting it away in a closet? Or at the very least, emphasize to Kate that they were not to be sold. That whole storyline was stupid.
Don’t care for the Kevin & Zoe romance/storyline.
I’m disappointed at what the writers are doing with R & B. They need to stop it!
Right now all that’s holding my attention is what the heck is going on with Nicky? What’s the story? How could Jack let his mother believe Nick had died in the war? That seems so un-Jack-like to let someone sufffer like that. I. Need to know what the story is with that!!!!!
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Post by mina on Jan 22, 2019 18:33:36 GMT
HATE the Zoe and Kevin storyline. Zoe needs to be in therapy not dating a flake like Kevin or dating at all. geez
Toby gets on my nerves too. Yes the stadium thing was sweet but this was after he pouted and acted like a jerk about his collectible toys.
The first season was really good, now I just feel it's twists and turns I don't care about. Like it wasn't enough that Jack and Rebecca fell in love and were nice together , they also took a road trip when they barely knew each other? AND Jack went to Vietnam for his douchey brother? AND his brother is still alive and probably still a douche that will get mad at the big three for finding him? AND Kate is having a baby? AND Tess may be bi and she discovers this when she gets her period? AND Randall has the same savior complex as Jack? AND Kevin finds success and love with a self destructive hurting woman who was molested as a child? too much
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jan 23, 2019 22:08:19 GMT
I loved the way last night's episode was crafted, especially when the Big 3 (or at least Kevin) decided to take that left turn back to Nicky at the same sign where Jack made a right turn and left him there so many years ago. In the Vietnam flashback, as soon as I saw that box of grenades, I knew what would happen. It was heartbreaking. I can't imagine living with that for most of your life ... and when Nicky said he never got to tell Jack it was an accident, that was so sad. However, I really don't know if I want another "bring back a down-and-out relative from the past" story. They can't beat the story of William and his incorporation into the family.
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Post by MissScarlet on Jan 24, 2019 1:00:00 GMT
I enjoyed last night's show more than the last few. I liked the way the current & flashbacks were played back & forth regarding the visits to Nicky. I also liked the interplay between the Big 3. We haven't had much of that.
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Post by Navybelle on Jan 24, 2019 3:13:27 GMT
I loved the way last night's episode was crafted, especially when the Big 3 (or at least Kevin) decided to take that left turn back to Nicky at the same sign where Jack made a right turn and left him there so many years ago. In the Vietnam flashback, as soon as I saw that box of grenades, I knew what would happen. It was heartbreaking. I can't imagine living with that for most of your life ... and when Nicky said he never got to tell Jack it was an accident, that was so sad. However, I really don't know if I want another "bring back a down-and-out relative from the past" story. They can't beat the story of William and his incorporation into the family. I agree! It was a very well done episode with the flashbacks and current events cutting in and out. The end with Kevin not wanting to leave him like Dad did, was so impactful. Go, Kevin! I loved all the Jack scenes. There's something so "deep" about him, the actor or the character or both, that really affect me. The only thing I have to say, is I don't like the TV way of someone not being "able" to say anything, how someone else wouldn't "let" them talk. After all that Nicky did to get Jack to come to him, once he did, all the had to do is interrupt Jack and shout out "It was an accident!" even if Jack says he didn't want to hear it. They do this all the time, and I don't know anyone in real life that would let someone else stop them from explaining that, when the other person thought they did something awful. If he leaves after that and doesn't want to hear more, oh well, at least he got it out. Maybe because I teach little kids who interrupt and shout over each other all the time, I think it's just not natural to listen when someone says they don't want to hear it. Shout it out!
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Post by FannyMare on Jan 24, 2019 5:50:37 GMT
I was really proud of Kevin this week. He has shown the most character growth of all the Big 3. I liked that he did what Jack should have done. I am looking forward to what the writers have in store for Nicky and Kevin.
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Post by mina on Jan 26, 2019 6:45:19 GMT
Okay okay, I did like this weeks episode. It gave me the same sort of feeling as the early shows. I was crying by the end. All it needed was a William flashback and it would have been the most perfect episode ever.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jan 26, 2019 20:16:03 GMT
Looks like there's going to be friction between Nicky and Rebecca. What I find most interesting about the relationship between Nicky and Jack after Jack went to see him, left him there, and never mentioned that he was alive is that this is perhaps the only time that Jack might not have done right by his family.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jan 26, 2019 20:37:29 GMT
I loved the way last night's episode was crafted, especially when the Big 3 (or at least Kevin) decided to take that left turn back to Nicky at the same sign where Jack made a right turn and left him there so many years ago. In the Vietnam flashback, as soon as I saw that box of grenades, I knew what would happen. It was heartbreaking. I can't imagine living with that for most of your life ... and when Nicky said he never got to tell Jack it was an accident, that was so sad. However, I really don't know if I want another "bring back a down-and-out relative from the past" story. They can't beat the story of William and his incorporation into the family. I agree! It was a very well done episode with the flashbacks and current events cutting in and out. The end with Kevin not wanting to leave him like Dad did, was so impactful. Go, Kevin! I loved all the Jack scenes. There's something so "deep" about him, the actor or the character or both, that really affect me. The only thing I have to say, is I don't like the TV way of someone not being "able" to say anything, how someone else wouldn't "let" them talk. After all that Nicky did to get Jack to come to him, once he did, all the had to do is interrupt Jack and shout out "It was an accident!" even if Jack says he didn't want to hear it. They do this all the time, and I don't know anyone in real life that would let someone else stop them from explaining that, when the other person thought they did something awful. If he leaves after that and doesn't want to hear more, oh well, at least he got it out. Maybe because I teach little kids who interrupt and shout over each other all the time, I think it's just not natural to listen when someone says they don't want to hear it. Shout it out! I agree. Even odder is that all Nicky had to do was write "It was an accident" on one of the gazillion postcards he sent Jack over the years. I also don't think that Jack told his parents that Nicky died in Vietnam. If that had truly happened, a representative from the military would have notified Jack's parents of that, and not leave it up to Jack to tell them. We don't know if Jack's mom ever went back to Jack's dad after Jack and Rebecca started dating and we don't know when Jack's mom died so I find Jack's family back story very odd. I mean they lived in the same city so would it not be plausible that Rebecca, as a newly married woman, would invite her MIL over for coffee some time? Would they never talk about Nicky and his demise? And if so then Rebecca would know that Nicky never died. I just hate having to suspend belief when I am watching a show. So many unanswered questions. I did like Tess asking Grandpa Miguel if her dad was going to bring his uncle home as he tends to do. I forget the line but it was very cute! The actor playing older Nicky is doing a good job. Man, I was so depressed seeing how his life turned out.
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Post by FannyMare on Jan 26, 2019 21:17:37 GMT
I was sad for Nicky, but so happy Kev never gave up. All families make mistakes, I know ours have made a lot over the years, so I'm fine with this storyline, because it seems natural.
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Post by mika06 on Jan 28, 2019 0:25:20 GMT
Wow I was absolutely in tears over that episode. Great episode though.
I was under the impression that Jacks mother didn't live very long after Jack and Rebecca got together. And it seemed like no one talked about Nicky after the war so now knowing what happened his dad was probably disappointed in him if he did know.
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Post by mina on Feb 15, 2019 23:26:56 GMT
And it's back to being too much for me. The first episode about Nicky was heartfelt. This weeks was just eh. Kevin WAS using him as a prop to feel better. Old Rebecca is annoying to me. Kevin is drinking again and he'll probably blame Nicky because he's that shallow and never go see him again. Kate said "sequin war" a billion times in this episode. Beth will probe deep into her past and discover her mother shafted her from a career in ballet and be determined to open a ballet school. Has Beth shown any interest in ballet before now?
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 16, 2019 6:42:44 GMT
I felt sick when we saw Kevin take a drink. I doubt he'll blame Nicky, it's just so sad the hold alcohol has over some people
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Feb 16, 2019 15:23:48 GMT
Maybe Kevin succumbing to his alcoholism again will mean the end of his relationship with Zoe, which to me would be a good thing because I never bought it in the first place. It all happened too quickly with no foundation or development shown to us. Very unconvincing. I'm glad the Nicky story was resolved the way it was because I was afraid Kevin or Rebecca was going to convince him to go home with them and try to rehabilitate him. Of course, there could be more to come with that story, but I hope not because it feels finished to me. He doesn't really feel any connection with Jack's family (and they shoud just let it stay that way; it makes sense), wants to stay alone in his little trailer, and maybe he'll take some steps toward his own recovery or maybe not. That seems more realistic to me than anything else they could have done. I hope Kevin doesn't start making regular visits out there for drinking binges and depressing conversation.
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Post by holly on Feb 23, 2019 1:11:06 GMT
Still haven’t watched this weeks episode. I just can’t muster up interest. This season has been lacking. The only episodes that interested me were the ones with Jack & Nick in Vietnam. Once we got the background on that, I was like, “ok. My questions have been answered.” They’ve dragged that out for a long time. There is nothing else I really care about anymore. I can’t stand Kate, Kevin’s storyline with Zoe bored me to tears because it felt so staged, & I hate what they did with Randall & Beth. I am probably done with this show after this season, if I even make it through.
And I hated the obsession that the 3 had with Nick, basically forcing themselves into his life. It was just so intrusive. I was like, “just let the guy live in peace. Y’all aren’t really anything to him. He doesn’t even know you.” And I say this as someone who has relatives whom I’ve never met (my dad’s real father’s, who he didn’t even know about until 19 years ago, but that’s another story) , but I would never force myself on them & I sure as hell wouldn’t demand they stop drinking or whatever (if they were). Not my business to tell a STRANGER (especially an elderly one) how to live their life. Those couple of episodes pissed me off.
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Post by Critical on Feb 24, 2019 5:17:51 GMT
The stories about Jack are my LEAST favorite. I just have never liked Milo Ventimiglia. I don't get the appeal I really enjoyed Beth's story. Maybe that's because I was a young dancer too and I miss it too. Also though because I love Beth. I get why Beth isn't thrilled about Randall's political aspirations. It's not as if they live close to that district, so that's going to take him away from the family and put a lot more on Beth's shoulders as far as life day-to=day at home. I thought it was weird that he would run in a district where he didn't even live. I understand the sentimentality AND wanting to help, but that seemed an odd way to do it. This definitely isn't a show I look forward to every week. It hasn't been for some time. It's usually the last thing I watch on my DVR. Everything else gets watched first. I'm just tired of all the nonsense with Kevin and especially with Kate. I want someone to shake them both and tell them to grow up already.
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Post by Navybelle on Feb 24, 2019 5:37:05 GMT
Critical, I agree about the nonsense with Kevin and Kate's storylines. I've had enough with them! It's also not a show I seek out to watch anymore, either, which is too bad because it sure started out strong.
This past week's episode with Beth was interesting enough, though the "tough mom" bit was overdone for me, especially when she softened up by the end of the episode. She's so hard that her other kids don't see her or talk w/her, and that's okay with her, but then we see her soft side come out after one heart-to-heart with Beth. Huh. So now Beth's going to do ballet, fine. I guess she needed something besides being Randall's often unhappy wife.
I am a big fan of Milo's in this show, though. There's something deep and heroic about his character that appeals to me. I want more Jack, or I'm probably going to give up on this show sooner rather than later.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Feb 24, 2019 15:20:43 GMT
I hate to say it because I really loved this show and would never even wait to watch it on DVR because I had to see it right away ... but I am now holding on by my fingernails. Kate has become selfish and largely unlikeable, and I just cringed when Kevin drank that bottle of booze, not because I care so much about the character anymore (haven't really liked him since he screwed up the relationship with Sophie) but just because I don't wan to be dragged through another story line about his struggles staying sober. Maybe they thought it was too easy for him before and they want to portray the difficulties of alcoholism, but I just don't think we need that again. Can people even really run for city council in a district where they don't live? I didn't know that. I guess owning that apartment building qualifies him, but it seems farfetched for the sake of a story line to mess with Beth and Randall.
I, too, want to see more Jack and more Rebecca, and also the story of how she and Miguel got together. I know it had something to do with finding each other on Facebook, but surely there was more to it than that. Marrying your dead husband's best friend, especially one who seemed kind of a player, must be more of an interesting story they can show. Did they have some hesitation about that, or did it seem the natural thing to do? Did they fall in love, or was it more platonic and not wanting to be alone? It's a little creepy to me to think about marrying the friend of a beloved husband who died suddenly and tragically, especially someone as heroic and larger than life as Jack. Who could measure up to that in her life? So she settled for some form of companionship?
I think it was Milo I saw on a talk show saying that the writers know how the Pearsons' story is going to end. We've already seen that Rebecca winds up in some sort of care facility. I do wonder about everyone else and hope I still care by the time the show is over.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 24, 2019 15:41:45 GMT
It took a long time this week, to get to the outcome. I love dancing, and recall some of things Beth went through, but did it make for good TV? No, it sure didn't.. I hope next week is better, or I may take it off my DVR
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