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Post by JustJuls on May 30, 2018 17:28:10 GMT
There are actually rumors about it psparks. And as I watched the last episode there were some comments that Amy said that definitely pointed towards it. Apparently there were some things in the book they co-wrote that made people wonder about his level of commitment to their marriage. He rated commitment very low on the scale of importance in a relationship whereas Amy rated it highly.
I don't dislike Amy. And I don't dislike Matt. I see how both of them failed in their marriage. I remember many of the early episodes where I couldn't believe how Matt was disregarding his wife and her feelings and her worries about money etc. We see a lot of anger and resentment in Amy now...but imo...rightfully so. Matt was not a good husband to her. And now Caryn is reaping the benefits of a Matt who has done a bit of soul searching and realizing what needs to happen in order for a relationship to work. But he didn't do that for Amy.
And while I actually really like Caryn and think she's wonderful....I wouldn't want to work with my ex-husbands girlfriend. No way. No thanks. I don't see that as wrong of Amy.
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Post by drsmith on May 30, 2018 17:47:47 GMT
Every time I watch this show I have to say "you're doing divorce wrong." Amy still has to deal with Matt's project obsessions and disregard for money and Matt still has to listen to Amy's comments about him and his projects. Plus they have to see each other with someone else. I get the business (and TLC) relationship, but if I got divorced I certainly wouldn't want my ex involved in my life to the extent these two are. They each have their faults that lead to the divorce, but the divorce didn't erase the aggravation caused by those faults. I suppose they get to sleep with other people now, so there's that.
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Post by tinderbox on May 30, 2018 18:47:15 GMT
I have no idea if Matt cheated on Amy with Caryn. It seems probable by Amy's body language and words. Either way, it's obviously what Amy WANTS us to believe. She does everything but utter the exact words to convey his cheating ways.
If he didn't cheat on Amy with Caryn.... It's clear, Amy BELIEVES he did.
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Post by mika06 on May 30, 2018 19:41:14 GMT
So I just got back into the show and I am so confused. Now I am close to being Divorce (it will be finalized in June) I have been separated for nearly 2 years I have a boyfriend and I see my ex daily because of our 3 kids. As far as I know he's not dating but I have completely moved on my ex is pretty similar to Matt he was emotionally and mentally abusive wouldn't take me out or want to travel anywhere but he's a darn good father and a hard worker. If I felt that dealing with him on the daily was too much for me I would separate as much of the things that tie us together.
Amy has expressed on multiple occasions that being around Matt as well as being around Matt and Caryn is mentally unhealthy for her and I don't understand why she doesn't just cut the ties that bind them and stop complaining. Especially the fact that she's seemed to found love again. It's like there is something they are not saying and I have 2 theories:
1. Matt and Caryn started before the Divorce. I'm not sure if it was during the Marriage as Matt has apparently expressed he cheated or during the beginning of the separation.
2. Amy is Jealous of the relationship that Caryn has with Matt. I will imagine that if your husband did terrible things to you and treated you in a certain manner it must be terribly hard to see him be quite the opposite of the new person in his life especially him being overly happy.
I just feel like from own experience in order for Amy to find her Happiness (she seems as unhappy as she was when her and Matt were together) she needs to leave the farm. The happiest I have seen her this season was last night when she watched Jackson.
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Post by JustJuls on May 30, 2018 20:55:57 GMT
I agree with you on everything except that Amy seems just as unhappy now then when she was with Matt. Not true....she actually smiles now! A lot! She goes on her own adventures, has lots of friends, a boyfriend that makes her happy. She is definitely more happy now.
It is true that when she is around Matt and/or Caryn she is miserable. She should move. Or they should sell the farm. But I also imagine that its hard with the kids...who probably want the family home still and especially the whole farm. It's a lot to think about. It's super easy for us to make decisions for them...but this is real life and a lot of variables go into it.
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Post by mika06 on May 30, 2018 21:17:03 GMT
From what I remember they weren't sure if any of the kids were going to come back to care for the farm. Neither Jeremy or Zach had plans to return after College etc. I'm just wondering was there a back up plan. I feel Amy doesn't want to leave her house for sentimenal reasons which I totally understand having had to resign myself to giving up my home if I wanted to move on with my life as well. Usually the farm and the Homestead are two seperate parcals real estate wise so if Amy wants to stay she may have to buy Matt out and vice versa. Hopefully next week when Matt talks to boys they figure out a plan going forward. I do feel either way because of their age god forbid something happens to either one of them they need to get a plan on paper for moving forward with the farm.
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Post by sketcher on May 30, 2018 21:44:30 GMT
I have no idea if Matt cheated on Amy with Caryn. It seems probable by Amy's body language and words. Either way, it's obviously what Amy WANTS us to believe. She does everything but utter the exact words to convey his cheating ways. If he didn't cheat on Amy with Caryn.... It's clear, Amy BELIEVES he did. Amy INSINUATES that he did; that doesn't mean that even she actually believes it.
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Post by sketcher on May 30, 2018 21:51:53 GMT
"I know many of you dislike Amy but I don't. Just trying to understand her feelings."
Oh my goodness, this rumor drives me CRAZY on their Facebook page. Repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth!
If it WERE true, who could blame Matt? No man with any pride can be ground down into the dirt forever.
But there's absolutely NO EVIDENCE that they were carrying on before the separation/divorce. Of course they were friends and partners in running the farm, something Amy never concerned herself with or took any interest in. Do you think for one moment Amy would have kept silent about that??? My memory was Matt trying, trying, trying (culminating in that anniversary trip to relive their memories and allow Amy to sample various empty-nester options like cooking and running a B&B, which was really very sweet). She totally rejected him on that trip, and after that, he was done. Amy didn't want Matt when she had him.
She's now putting that spin on it, hinting around and insinuating without coming out and saying it (which she can't, because it's not true), in order to garner sympathy from her fans and also excuse her own bad behavior. Instead of getting more okay with the "foursome" as friends -- she and Chris and Matt and Caryn, which the other three would be fine with -- she gets angrier and angrier as time goes on, which is very abnormal. If she were as happy as she claimed, she couldn't be so sour and bitter after two years or however long it's been now. The marriage was dead for years before they even separated. Give it a rest, Victim Amy! Some people will never be happy, and she's one of them.
This points to one of two things: either all is not well with Chris (either he's a paid actor or she knows the relationship is doomed) or she's still in love with Matt and just using Chris to *try to* make him jealous.
Also, about Tori: can't stand her! That girl loves the camera, obsesses over her child, and emasculates her husband. Babe uh.
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Post by JustJuls on May 30, 2018 22:00:30 GMT
Well no one knows but them....so saying that it's not true...doesn't make it a fact either Hi sketcher!
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Post by sketcher on May 30, 2018 22:06:24 GMT
Well no one knows but them....so saying that it's not true...doesn't make it a fact either Hi sketcher! That's a fact, but if there's any "evidence" to the contrary, it's that Amy would never have remained silent about any actual transgression of Matt's... Has she ever???
At any rate, even in a marriage where that did happen (and it sounds like most of the posters on their Facebook page were and are projecting), two years is long enough to get over it, especially if you're running a business together and are truly happy in your new life, which she vociferously purports to be.
Anyone else find Tori annoying, or is it just me? Girl knows she's the future of that show and is loving every minute of it.
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Post by provenceguy on Jun 1, 2018 0:44:37 GMT
Whelp, I like Tori....
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 1, 2018 10:53:45 GMT
I agree that Amy would have made a huge deal out of Matt cheating on her, she would not have let that slip by. I believe moving to Arizona to a retirement community would be good for Matt but Caryn? She seems young and healthy.
I like all the kids, Tori and Audrey too but all I see is the show, I don't follow them on any social media.
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Post by AZChristian on Jun 1, 2018 13:01:34 GMT
I agree that Amy would have made a huge deal out of Matt cheating on her, she would not have let that slip by. I believe moving to Arizona to a retirement community would be good for Matt but Caryn? She seems young and healthy. I like all the kids, Tori and Audrey too but all I see is the show, I don't follow them on any social media. I live in an AZ retirement community. Trust me . . . Caryn will be able to keep busy. Crafts, exercises, parties, bridge (or other games). There's a reason these are referred to as ACTIVE adult communities.
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Post by sketcher on Jun 1, 2018 16:09:47 GMT
I agree that Amy would have made a huge deal out of Matt cheating on her, she would not have let that slip by. I believe moving to Arizona to a retirement community would be good for Matt but Caryn? She seems young and healthy. I like all the kids, Tori and Audrey too but all I see is the show, I don't follow them on any social media. I live in an AZ retirement community. Trust me . . . Caryn will be able to keep busy. Crafts, exercises, parties, bridge (or other games). There's a reason these are referred to as ACTIVE adult communities. Caryn says in the preview that she LOVES Arizona, so she's obviously on board with the move. And that's all Matt was asking Amy a few episodes ago: do you plan to stay here forever? Can I build elsewhere on the farm and recoup the cost if we sell? If not, what plans do I make for MY future? Amy had to go ballistic over that, as usual. Matt never wanted to leave the farm, but someone has to do something here. Amy's spitefulness is making the situation untenable for all.
I wonder what will happen to the business with both Matt and Caryn gone and neither of those two "Lazyboys" ready to take over or able to operate it. Amy can't take time from her drinking with the girls and kinky sex with Chris to do any actual work, I'm sure. I suppose they can always hire outsiders to run things.
Okay, Tori's not terrible, but she's held up as some kind of paragon compared to her unpopular SIL, and I don't see her as being much of an improvement. She worked for what, one year? For half the day? And is apparently done with that now. She seems strangely oblivious to and unconcerned about the health problems and other difficulties her dwarf baby will encounter; she even seems proud and happy that he IS a dwarf (after all, "Little People, Big World") and is planning to have more kids who are likely to have dwarfism. She loves the camera (always mugging) and eats up the attention, which is why she ran roughshod over Zach's plea that they skip pumpkin season. And "babe uh" bugs. The fact that she's somewhat less annoying than Audrey is doesn't mean she's not annoying in her own right.
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 1, 2018 16:35:31 GMT
Most parents are proud of their children. No matter the size or stature. If she wasn't "we" would be calling her horrible things, I'm sure. Good for her for having ZERO issues with his dwarfism. I know other parents would have a hard time swallowing that pill. Drinking with the girls and kinky sex? I wonder what people would say about me
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Post by sketcher on Jun 1, 2018 17:59:49 GMT
Most parents are proud of their children. No matter the size or stature. If she wasn't "we" would be calling her horrible things, I'm sure. Good for her for having ZERO issues with his dwarfism. I know other parents would have a hard time swallowing that pill. Drinking with the girls and kinky sex? I wonder what people would say about me I'm not a fan of how Amy acts all "little girly" around her boyfriend; gives me a creepy pedo vibe. But then I'm not an Amy (or Chris) fan in general...
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 1, 2018 19:06:02 GMT
When Amy and Chris first started dating, he made mention of her attitude and anger, it was keeping him from commitment. Maybe she is being very careful to be what he wants her to be....and we all know that works, right?
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jun 1, 2018 19:09:37 GMT
Don't know if this was discussed but I wonder if there was something between Matt and Caryn well before the breakup. Maybe that is why Amy has a hard time being around her. I know many of you dislike Amy but I don't. Just trying to understand her feelings. I like her, too. She put up with a lot when she was married. She did all of the work that allowed Matt to pursue his projects. Including the ones he didn't tell her about until he was well into doing them.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jun 1, 2018 19:29:32 GMT
What's wrong with drinking and kinky sex? lol There's nothing wrong or abnormal about people of different heights finding love and companionship with each other. Love is love. Tori, like any other mentally healthy mother loves her baby and is a proud parent. She's living in the moment, knowing full well, anxiety and fear about their baby can swallow up every other positive feeling. And as a baby becomes older they can feel anxiety and fear coming from a parent. I think Tori is doing just fine. And if they want more children that's fine. People come in all different shapes, sizes and health conditions-their lives are no less fulfilling or worthwhile than a 'normal' persons life.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 1, 2018 19:49:07 GMT
When Amy and Chris first started dating, he made mention of her attitude and anger, it was keeping him from commitment. Maybe she is being very careful to be what he wants her to be....and we all know that works, right? phartblossom ... I remember that BUT what I wonder has Chris seen any of the Seasons of LPBW ... because he can watch and STILL see Amy and her rotten attitude and anger towards Matt!!!
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Post by AZChristian on Jun 1, 2018 20:17:28 GMT
phartblossom ... I remember that BUT what I wonder has Chris seen any of the Seasons of LPBW ... because he can watch and STILL see Amy and her rotten attitude and anger towards Matt!!! Warning, Chris . . . if you ever need crutches, do NOT think Amy will tidy up her house to make it easier for you to get around. (That's an episode that really helped me make up my mind about Amy.)
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Post by provenceguy on Jun 1, 2018 20:36:31 GMT
Tori may have many concerns about her baby's medical future that she doesn't necessarily reveal to the TV camera & viewing audience. We just don't know what she might be thinking...
And if I were on a TV show that afforded me the opportunity to stay home with my baby, I would do so in a heartbeat. Those early years with a baby are so precious. I HATED having to go back to work when my kids were little.
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 1, 2018 23:34:53 GMT
Most parents are proud of their children. No matter the size or stature. If she wasn't "we" would be calling her horrible things, I'm sure. Good for her for having ZERO issues with his dwarfism. I know other parents would have a hard time swallowing that pill. Drinking with the girls and kinky sex? I wonder what people would say about me I'm not a fan of how Amy acts all "little girly" around her boyfriend; gives me a creepy pedo vibe. But then I'm not an Amy (or Chris) fan in general... Well that's going a tad far. Are you insinuating that Chris is a pedophile because Amy is small? They seem like they are in the "honeymoon" stage of their relationship to me.
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Post by sketcher on Jun 2, 2018 11:38:25 GMT
When Amy and Chris first started dating, he made mention of her attitude and anger, it was keeping him from commitment. Maybe she is being very careful to be what he wants her to be....and we all know that works, right? phartblossom ... I remember that BUT what I wonder has Chris seen any of the Seasons of LPBW ... because he can watch and STILL see Amy and her rotten attitude and anger towards Matt!!! Actually, he can see her rotten attitude and anger towards Matt in real time, even two years after they've divorced (and it only seems to be increasing with the passage of time). If THAT doesn't give him pause...
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Post by sketcher on Jun 2, 2018 11:40:27 GMT
phartblossom ... I remember that BUT what I wonder has Chris seen any of the Seasons of LPBW ... because he can watch and STILL see Amy and her rotten attitude and anger towards Matt!!! Actually, he can see her rotten attitude and anger towards Matt in real time, even two years after they've divorced (and it only seems to be increasing with the passage of time). If THAT doesn't give him pause... I just think they give off a weird vibe (the PDA and sexy talk could be toned down), and Chris comes off a little creepy. Just my opinion, and I'm hardly the only one who gets that sense. Agree to disagree!
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 2, 2018 14:07:32 GMT
Nothing is up. I just mistakenly posted something stooooopid. 🙄 tinderbox, you can easily DELETE your unwanted posts by going onto the post, and then clicking on the the little down-arrow right next to (on the right side of) the 'Options gear' icon. In the drop-down menu you'll find an option to Delete Post. Voila! Done! And PS, you might possibly even STILL be able to do it, cause I don't think there's a time limit on deleting one's own post. At least you can try it, and see.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 2, 2018 14:59:13 GMT
Actually, he can see her rotten attitude and anger towards Matt in real time, even two years after they've divorced (and it only seems to be increasing with the passage of time). If THAT doesn't give him pause... I just think they give off a weird vibe (the PDA and sexy talk could be toned down), and Chris comes off a little creepy. Just my opinion, and I'm hardly the only one who gets that sense. Agree to disagree! I agree sketcher ... Chris comes off creepy to me too ... like I said on the OLD FoRT ... I really believe he is on LPBW for the check. Period. One of our posters on OLD FoRT posted a picture of Amy and Chris ... Chris was sitting on a fence and Amy was in front of him and the whole picture was creepy x1000 ... she was holding HIS hands but his hands were not holding her's ... its hard to describe but it was basically "cold" ... not a loving pic of a couple in love. AT ALL. In the words of JUDGE JUDY ... to AMY ... " you picked him" ...
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 2, 2018 15:00:56 GMT
tinderbox .... no worries!!! Mwah!!! Done that MORE times than I can count!!!
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 2, 2018 15:28:11 GMT
sorry you have to click on it to make it big....I'm not real computer savvy I posted that pic...the body language was so very evident....well in my opinion. Pictures can tell a story.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 2, 2018 15:53:46 GMT
sorry you have to click on it to make it big....I'm not real computer savvy I posted that pic...the body language was so very evident....well in my opinion. Pictures can tell a story. YUP phartblossom .... that is the pic I was talking about. Absolutely, pictures can tell a story for sure!!!
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