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Post by Bearcata on Sept 27, 2019 1:57:37 GMT
When none of the signature bakes can be called good, it means they didn't give enough directions. I think it's stupid to give them so little to go on they none of them can do well. Paul can walk away all he wants, it's their own fault. I too was yelling at my TV to quit opening the freezer. Letting in that warm air was never going to help them freeze. I also told my daughter that after 5 times of something not working out at home it was time to pick something else. She said she would have started over after 3 times. 90% failure rate is not good odds in your favor. The cast is told what kind signature bake to do a week ahead of time so they have all week to practice it. At home the bakers have access to the internet, the library, friends etc ... they have time to research and practice various recipes. If the signature bake was bad this episode it is on the baker who picked the recipe and baked it.
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Post by Kao on Sept 27, 2019 1:59:45 GMT
I think justCoz was talking about the Technical Bakes but typed Signature instead.
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Post by justCoz on Sept 27, 2019 3:18:05 GMT
I think justCoz was talking about the Technical Bakes but typed Signature instead. I was, thanks for the correction!
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 27, 2019 5:44:23 GMT
I think justCoz was talking about the Technical Bakes but typed Signature instead. I was, thanks for the correction! OK then but the point of being cast on the show, the premise of the show is that a cast member is an expect home baker and in this series that means they should know how to make pastry, how to make custard, how to make a tart. These are basic skills that bakers should have. The technical challenge is a leveler as everyone has to make the same thing. I think they are fun. It does showcase that perhaps this cast does not have as strong baking skills as previous series.
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Post by Arielflies on Sept 27, 2019 5:48:17 GMT
In order to make it to the tent, they all go through qualifiers. So, it's up to the producers who gets through or not.
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Post by Kao on Sept 27, 2019 6:00:15 GMT
It didn't help that Prue picked a dessert that literally dates back to King Henry VIII. Not that many people bake them.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 27, 2019 20:03:29 GMT
It didn't help that Prue picked a dessert that literally dates back to King Henry VIII. Not that many people bake them. It is a custard tart they still make them today. This was not the first time the judges have picked historical food and had the cast attempt them as technical and showstoppers. Remember the one season they did all those Victorian pies with some of the cast using antique molds?
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Post by rembrant on Sept 27, 2019 20:06:20 GMT
Well, much as this aches, I quit. The decision in this episode was absolute BS. I've always known Paul plays favorites rather shamelessly, and it was bad enough when Rahul won last year, but this episode was the last straw for me and I just don't want to go back to it anymore. And checking into social media, I see I'm not alone in being angry about this decision, as the response is an overwhelming "what the hell are the judges thinking", with even past contestants wondering what's going on here. As Dan from last season said and I agree with, this is not the show I fell in love with.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Sept 27, 2019 20:09:19 GMT
I was also furious over who got eliminated. Just plain wrong. I'll keep watching though. I need this quiet pleasant little hour each week to stay sane.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 27, 2019 20:10:45 GMT
Well, much as this aches, I quit. The decision in this episode was absolute BS. I've always known Paul plays favorites rather shamelessly, and it was bad enough when Rahul won last year, but this episode was the last straw for me and I just don't want to go back to it anymore. And checking into social media, I see I'm not alone in being angry about this decision, as the response is an overwhelming "what the hell are the judges thinking", with even past contestants wondering what's going on here. As Dan from last season said and I agree with, this is not the show I fell in love with. Is this the reaction over Dairy Week or Roaring 20's Week?
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Post by Kao on Sept 27, 2019 20:38:01 GMT
Just finished watching and I'm absolutely livid, and judging by the online reaction I'm not alone in this. It's really beginning to look like the 40+ people were targeted to leave.
I'll continue to watch for David and Michael but once they're gone I don't see myself watching the rest of the season.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Sept 27, 2019 21:23:52 GMT
Well, much as this aches, I quit. The decision in this episode was absolute BS. I've always known Paul plays favorites rather shamelessly, and it was bad enough when Rahul won last year, but this episode was the last straw for me and I just don't want to go back to it anymore. And checking into social media, I see I'm not alone in being angry about this decision, as the response is an overwhelming "what the hell are the judges thinking", with even past contestants wondering what's going on here. As Dan from last season said and I agree with, this is not the show I fell in love with. Is this the reaction over Dairy Week or Roaring 20's Week? Roaring 20's, it dropped today on Netflix.
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Post by ccl on Sept 28, 2019 1:22:17 GMT
Good to see I am not the only one scratching my head at the elimination this week. Seriously, what the? Who did y’all think was going? I thought it would be Priya with Rosie as second choice. Maybe Michael. Helena was middling in her first and third challenges but won the technical which apparently counts for nothing. Michelle was just middle of the pack for me this week, not terrible in any way.
Also, how did like none of them know how to make choux? It’s a pretty standard thing and something I would think that they would know how to do before applying, or at least before setting foot in the tent.
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Post by Kao on Sept 28, 2019 1:54:28 GMT
Good to see I am not the only one scratching my head at the elimination this week. Seriously, what the? Who did y’all think was going? I thought it would be Priya with Rosie as second choice. Maybe Michael. Helena was middling in her first and third challenges but won the technical which apparently counts for nothing. Michelle was just middle of the pack for me this week, not terrible in any way. Also, how did like none of them know how to make choux? It’s a pretty standard thing and something I would think that they would know how to do before applying, or at least before setting foot in the tent.
That's what happens when you make casting decisions based on age/looks over baking ability. I remember there used to be a whole vetting process to be on the show; not sure what Love Productions is doing now. There's a few folks under that tent this season who have no business being there.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Sept 28, 2019 3:04:55 GMT
Yeah, seeing so many of them not able to make a choux pastry seemed strange to me too. But I don't blame them for not knowing what a zabaglione custard sauce was. I only recognized the name because it was talked about in an episode of The West Wing.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 28, 2019 12:18:39 GMT
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Post by libgirl2 on Sept 28, 2019 12:34:03 GMT
Good to see I am not the only one scratching my head at the elimination this week. Seriously, what the? Who did y’all think was going? I thought it would be Priya with Rosie as second choice. Maybe Michael. Helena was middling in her first and third challenges but won the technical which apparently counts for nothing. Michelle was just middle of the pack for me this week, not terrible in any way. Also, how did like none of them know how to make choux? It’s a pretty standard thing and something I would think that they would know how to do before applying, or at least before setting foot in the tent. I watch a kids baking show and I seem to remember a kid knowing choux. How did these people not. The level of baking skills is kind of low this season. Not impressed. And I have not been thrilled with the eliminations either.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 28, 2019 21:04:41 GMT
I must admit I was very surprised no one knew how to make choux pastry. All previous seasons I was amazed at the level of knowledge of basic bakery the cast knew. I was also very surprised this season that many never baked bread when bread making is basic baking.
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Post by Arielflies on Sept 28, 2019 21:19:40 GMT
They have also watched many (or all) the seasons to know the requirements or what will be asked of them. Since you can pipe it, choux isn't like the long process of making puff pastry. I'm probably minimizing it as you have to heartily stir the ingredients over heat, but really, children do it.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 29, 2019 19:00:02 GMT
Series 10 Episode 5: The Roaring Twenties Baker | Signature | Technical | Showstopper | | (4 Custard Pies) | (18 Beignet Soufflés) | (Prohibition Era Cake) | Alice | Chocolate & Orange Custard Pies | 6th | Piña Colada Cake | David | Fancy Custards | 9th | Amaretto Sour Cake | Helena | Lemon and Lavender Pies | 1st | Vampire's Kiss Raspberry Vodka Cake | Henry | 1920's Pies | 3rd | White Russian Cake | Michael | Mango, Lime & Ginger Pies | 8th | Brambling Cake | Michelle | Blueberry & White Chocolate Crème Brûlée Pies | 7th | My Little Sister the Dancing Queen's Piña Colada Cake | Priya | Lemon & Raspberry Ripple Pies | 2th | Meena Colada Cake | Rosie | Little Blackberry Pies | 5th | White Russian Cake | Steph | Zesty Citrus Custard Pies | 4th | Sour Lime Piña Colada Cake |
Star Baker: Steph Eliminated: Helena and Michelle Didn't have a problem with either being eliminated. What's the beef? Table Discussion after the Signature and Technical: Fear for Priya. Why is Michael so emotional, he is doing OK. Table Discussion after the Showstopper: Who is up for Star Baker: Steph, Henry, David. Who is up for elimination: Michelle, Helena, Priya, and Rosie. Two people are beginning to fall away. Baker | design | flavor | technical | design | flavor | texture | Michelle | Yes | No | 7th | No | No | Yes | Helena | Yes | No | 1st | No | No | No | Rosie | No | Yes | 5th | Yes | Yes | Yes | Priya | No | No | 2nd | No | Yes | Yes |
After the technical I can see that all the ladies were on relatively equal footing. The showstopper would be the deciding factor. I can see why Helena was eliminated. Her signature design was fun but the lavender flavor tasted soapy. In the showstopper, the judges didn't like the design, the cake was bland, no flavor, and quite dry. Rosie saved herself with her showstopper, the design was interesting, the flavors were beautiful, it was a really good cake, yes the ganache was too thick. The judges really liked the flavor of her custard in the signature. I was surprised Priya was not eliminated as her signature was not good, her pastry was too thick, and she boiled her custard. She did well in the technical and I think that put on an even keel with Michelle. The showstopper design looked rushed, the fondant was too thick, it needed a bit more passionfruit, but the flavor was delicate and very nice. Michelle's signature was a nice idea, and looked neat but there was no blueberry flavor. Low in the technical. The showstopper cake was pretty was over though with too many concepts with parts that did not go with other parts. The cake was too dry, had a lack of flavor, but had a nice texture. I think it was close between Michelle and Priya. To be honest I think Priya has squeaked by for a couple of weeks but with the field getting smaller she cannot afford to make many mistakes. I get that fans are upset by the eliminations but if you break down the challenges by what was produced and note what the judges are saying about flavor and structure the eliminations from this week and last week are the ones who should have been eliminated.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 29, 2019 19:22:55 GMT
Just finished watching and I'm absolutely livid, and judging by the online reaction I'm not alone in this. It's really beginning to look like the 40+ people were targeted to leave.I'll continue to watch for David and Michael but once they're gone I don't see myself watching the rest of the season. Episode 1. Dan - 32 Episode 2. Jaime - 20 Episode 3. Amelia - 24 Episode 4. Phil - 56 Episode 5. Helena - 40 - double elimination Episode 5. Michelle - 35 - double elimination Out of 6 eliminated people only 2 of them were over 40.
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Post by Arielflies on Sept 29, 2019 20:27:59 GMT
In this group 30 should be the new 40. So far just one twenty-something is gone.
I think the outrage is more about personality than bakes (although Helena did come in 1st in Technical). Both women were quirky and brought light to the tent. They were easy and fun to watch.
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Post by Kao on Sept 29, 2019 20:40:30 GMT
Just finished watching and I'm absolutely livid, and judging by the online reaction I'm not alone in this. It's really beginning to look like the 40+ people were targeted to leave.I'll continue to watch for David and Michael but once they're gone I don't see myself watching the rest of the season. Episode 1. Dan - 32 Episode 2. Jaime - 20 Episode 3. Amelia - 24 Episode 4. Phil - 56 Episode 5. Helena - 40 - double elimination Episode 5. Michelle - 35 - double elimination Out of 6 eliminated people only 2 of them were over 40. Fair enough, but the elim list still skews older, and at least two of those IMO was unfair, especially considering how in both instances there were people who did much worse. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Sept 29, 2019 20:57:16 GMT
The beef is more with Helena's exit. After coming in 1st in the Technical, her elimination came out of nowhere. I had to rewind to make sure I saw what I saw, because it made zero sense.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 29, 2019 21:10:32 GMT
In this group 30 should be the new 40. So far just one twenty-something is gone.I think the outrage is more about personality than bakes (although Helena did come in 1st in Technical). Both women were quirky and brought light to the tent. They were easy and fun to watch. Of the remaining 7 bakers, only 2 are in their 30's, David is 36 and Priya is 34, the other 5 are in their 20's. Henry is 20 Michael is 26 Alice is 28 Rosie is 28 Steph is 28 Priya is 34 David is 36 I liked how the median/core of the cast is 28. Minus 8 you get 20. Plus 8 you get 36.
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Post by libgirl2 on Sept 30, 2019 13:11:09 GMT
The beef is more with Helena's exit. After coming in 1st in the Technical, her elimination came out of nowhere. I had to rewind to make sure I saw what I saw, because it made zero sense. I agree. I thought that would help her stay. I never thought she would win this whole thing but she wasn't one of the worst.
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Post by Bearcata on Sept 30, 2019 14:43:00 GMT
The beef is more with Helena's exit. After coming in 1st in the Technical, her elimination came out of nowhere. I had to rewind to make sure I saw what I saw, because it made zero sense. The judges did not like the design of her cake, the piping was poor, the cake itself was bland, quite dry, had no raspberry flavor although you could taste the vodka. The judges are looking at design, structure, and flavor and Helena had negative comments in all of those categories. Show Stopper Ratings Baker | Design | Flavor | Texture | Michelle | No | No | Yes | Helena | No | No | No | Rosie | Yes | Yes | Yes | Priya | No | Yes | Yes |
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Post by ccl on Sept 30, 2019 17:20:47 GMT
I don’t recall the judges ever delineating their exact judging criteria. But the showstopper is not supposed to be the one deciding factor. It may be the most important challenge, but there are two other challenges, one of which Helena won. Yes, Helena did not do great in the showstopper - but she was not the only one that was criticized. And there were some good points - Prue said it tasted good if she closed her eyes (ie taste ok, appearance not). Combine that reality with her win at technical, and her elimination does not make sense.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Sept 30, 2019 17:22:27 GMT
(replying to Bearcata)
I saw the show too, I understand all that. But a bad showstopper doesn't always guarantee being cut when a baker does well in other challenges. And the sudden decision to cut two bakers was a surprise as well. I don't think Paul ever warmed up to Helena and her specific design style, and he was all to happy to cut her, even if it was before her time to go.
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Post by rembrant on Sept 30, 2019 20:16:38 GMT
Agreed. Helena's elimination made no sense because taking all three challenges into consideration, she wasn't the worst. I'd say Priya and Rosie, and slightly Michael, were around the bottom part. Michelle was middle of the road herself, albeit it pretty low in the Technical, so maybe I could understand her ouster. But based on everything I saw and everything that was said, Helena should not have been eliminated. I agree with MFWalkoff that Paul just never seemed to really warm up to Helena's style, and he does have that tendency to play favorites and try to strongarm his decision of both winner and elimination on his fellow judge, and sometimes he gets away with it, such as with Rahul's win last season, or that whole debacle that was the first US attempt at their version of the Bake Off, where Paul somehow convinced his fellow judge, Marcella Valladolid (most likely because of the affair they had during the whole thing), to give the victory to a guy who did okay in the finals and won star baker the first week, but who was also horrible in every other episode between the first and last and yet somehow never got send home because Paul just seemed to see something he liked about the dude.
Yeah, it's no secret that I just don't like Paul and have always considered him the one negative thing of the show from day one.
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