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Post by betty80 on Feb 25, 2019 13:34:30 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Feb 25, 2019 13:51:04 GMT
When I was growing up, there was a Barbie outfit you could buy that was a nightgown and bathrobe that was this huge flowing pink mesh material. I searched and searched for a picture of it last night but could not find one, but I vividly remember looking at it in all of the little outfit catalogs they'd put into each new Barbie doll. SO many of the gowns last night reminded me of that Barbie nightgown. There are more interesting looks out there than pink tulle. Linda Cardellini's variation on the look last night was the absolute worst in my opinion! Finally found pictures of Lupita - it appears she skipped the ceremony and went straight to the Vanity Fair party. She looked utterly stunning in a white feather gown. No pink tulle for that fashion icon! I also loved that Olivia Coleman found a way to cover her arms that wasn't just dowdy long sleeves. I thought she looked great!
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Post by libgirl2 on Feb 25, 2019 14:21:08 GMT
I was thrilled for Rami and Olivia. Olivia Coleman is such an awesome actress. I know it was supposed to be Glenn Close's year but Olivia is so good in everything. I also loved her speech it was cute, funny and unexpected.
Is it me or did Linda Cardellni's dress look like a shower sponge?
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Post by acookertv on Feb 25, 2019 14:28:32 GMT
variety.com/2019/scene/news/james-mcavoys-shirt-is-covered-in-oscar-autographs-for-charity-1203148276/ This was hands down my favorite moment of Oscar night. James McAvoy finds a red sharpie on the ground, proceeds to have celebrities sign his shirt, and then once it's done decides he'll figure out a way to auction it off for charity. I love it! And in his Instagram story of the whole thing, he's talking about it while walking out, walks past all the staff handling car service thanks them and compliments their work. I enjoy those sort of celebrities being real moments SO much more than the ones who work so hard to project a carefully crafted image.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 25, 2019 14:46:55 GMT
Glad to read all the feedback about Greenbook, I have not seen it but have heard similar comments. I thought I saw that Mahershala Ali's wife not looking happy when the three white men accepted the Oscar for best screenplay. And then I noted that a couple of minutes after that the whole family left their seats. I had to go to bed so I never saw if they returned. Anyhoo, I really enjoyed last night and my favorite part was a short about a dumping won followed by a documentary short about periods! Loved seeing so many women win. It makes it so much more enjoyable when we see more diversity. Oh! Also, what chemistry does Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper have???? If I was his GF I'd be sooooo jealous. Mahershala Ali's wife didnt look happy all night, I thought it was because of what she chose to wear, because he looked happy enough for them both.
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Post by Amy Lee on Feb 25, 2019 15:08:35 GMT
The family of Dr. Shirley (the character Mahershala Ali played) was VERY unhappy with how the story was told. IIRC, MA actually apologized to them. I can understand why Spike and Jordan Peele were unhappy and I doubt they would have reacted that way to any other film winning.
This gives a good rundown of the issues people had with the movie and stuff like this is why I didn't and probably won't see the movie, in spite of the fact that I'm a fan of the two leads: time.com/5527806/green-book-movie-controversy/Spike leaping into Samuel L. Jackson's arms = I started watching it because I thought that a movie based on the actual Green Book would be an excellent idea. To my horror, it turned out to be the typical "I'm racist! No wait, I met a magical Knee-gro and I'm not racist anymore! I can't be racist because I have One Black friend" trope. Granted, a lot of people eat up that crap, but I turned it off halfway thru.
Then I found out that the director and writer refused to get any feedback from Don Shirley's family because they wanted to make "their own version" of what Don Shirley went through. Which just happened to be the story told through the eyes of Viggo Mortensen character. Also, some things they just made up for the movie. I don't blame Spike Lee one bit for being upset; I seriously doubt he would have had that reaction if he had lost to Roma, but a crappy race-bait movie like Green Book? Ugh.
Kao, I appreciate you providing context to his reaction. I'd heard some feedback on Green Book early on and thought because of that it wouldn't win. Its disappointing to hear that they chose not to consult the family. Finally found pictures of Lupita - it appears she skipped the ceremony and went straight to the Vanity Fair party. She looked utterly stunning in a white feather gown. No pink tulle for that fashion icon! I loved her dress! Best dressed by far.
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 25, 2019 15:30:43 GMT
Green Book Writer Claims Don Shirley Didn’t Want Him to Reach Out to His Familywww.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/oscars-2019-green-book-nick-vallelonga-don-shirley-family Nick Vallelonga, the Green Book co-writer and co-producer who won two Oscars Sunday night, has again defended himself against claims that his film—which was inspired by his father and pianist Dr. Don Shirley’s real-life friendship—misrepresented Shirley.
Vallelonga and the film’s director, Peter Farrelly, have been criticized for making their movie without any input from Shirley’s living relatives.
But at the Academy Awards, Vallelonga told reporters that Shirley did not want him to speak to anyone in his family about telling his story.
“Don Shirley himself told me to not speak to anyone,” Vallelonga said. “He told me the story he wanted to tell. He protected his private life, and all the other things about him—miraculous things about him.
He was an amazing man. He told me, ‘If you’re gonna tell the story, you tell it from your father, me—no one else. Don’t speak to anyone else. That’s how you have to make it.’”
He added that Dr. Shirley told him to not make the film until after Shirley had passed away. “So I just kept my word to that man,” Vallelonga said. “I wish I could have reached out to Don Shirley’s family.
I didn’t even know they really existed until after we were making the film.”
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Post by Arielflies on Feb 25, 2019 15:45:21 GMT
I haven't seen Greenbook, but from the clips, I've had a Driving Miss Daisy vibe in reverse. Hey, the ceremony went so well there had to be some controversy or it wouldn't be the Oscars.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 25, 2019 15:46:17 GMT
I started watching it because I thought that a movie based on the actual Green Book would be an excellent idea. To my horror, it turned out to be the typical "I'm racist! No wait, I met a magical Knee-gro and I'm not racist anymore! I can't be racist because I have One Black friend" trope. Granted, a lot of people eat up that crap, but I turned it off halfway thru.
Then I found out that the director and writer refused to get any feedback from Don Shirley's family because they wanted to make "their own version" of what Don Shirley went through. Which just happened to be the story told through the eyes of Viggo Mortensen character. Also, some things they just made up for the movie. I don't blame Spike Lee one bit for being upset; I seriously doubt he would have had that reaction if he had lost to Roma, but a crappy race-bait movie like Green Book? Ugh.
Kao, I appreciate you providing context to his reaction. I'd heard some feedback on Green Book early on and thought because of that it wouldn't win. Its disappointing to hear that they chose not to consult the family. Finally found pictures of Lupita - it appears she skipped the ceremony and went straight to the Vanity Fair party. She looked utterly stunning in a white feather gown. No pink tulle for that fashion icon! I loved her dress! Best dressed by far. It amazes me that as known for her awards show fashion as Lupita has become, she still manages to come up with looks no one expects! With regards to the Green Book controversy - a comedic writer I follow on Twitter commented that this year the Independent Spirit Awards were the Oscars, and the Oscars were the Razzies. I would not go that harsh, but I see the point he was making. There's no question the Oscars tried to be more appealing by nominating some more commercially viable movies. In some cases, like Black Panther, I think it was the right thing to do. But I do think that some of the other movies they pushed hard (Green Book, Star is Born, and sorry ... I'd say Bohemian Rhapsody) they honored really good movies that were popular movies, but in doing so ignored some really great accomplishments in film making. it still surprises me that A Wrinkle in Time got no recognition on the visual categories. It surprises me that neither Beautiful Boy or Ben is Back got any recognition. There were some good "Oscar bait" movies that were overlooked for the ones that were more popular. I really really liked that they used presenters from movies that were not necessarily Oscar caliber but were a big success at the box office. It was nice to see people from Infinity War, Aquaman, etc as presenters so that the entire year in cinema was celebrated - not just the "oscar bait". But for winning an Oscar to continue to mean something, I think it would be nice if they'd go back to nominating the top caliber films regardless of commercial success. Celebrate popular cinema through the presenters like they did last night.
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Post by lonnie on Feb 25, 2019 15:46:53 GMT
I had heard that at one point they were thinking about trying to get the Donald to be the host.
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Post by lonnie on Feb 25, 2019 15:50:50 GMT
There were some different outfits there. The dress kind of reminds me of the shag carpet from the 70's.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 25, 2019 15:51:15 GMT
I haven't seen Greenbook, but from the clips, I've had a Driving Miss Daisy vibe in reverse. Hey, the ceremony went so well there had to be some controversy or it wouldn't be the Oscars. True. I thought keeping political speeches to the bare minimum, was why I enjoyed last night.
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 25, 2019 15:56:54 GMT
I had heard that at one point they were thinking about trying to get the Donald to be the host. Who?
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Post by betty80 on Feb 25, 2019 17:58:18 GMT
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Post by libgirl2 on Feb 25, 2019 18:05:17 GMT
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Post by Arielflies on Feb 25, 2019 18:15:30 GMT
Speaking of Period. the end of a sentence, I remember reading in Meghan Markle's writeups before her marriage that the pads project was one of her projects when she was a UN Ambassador. I think she could have been mentioned as even after marriage she has shown her support.
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Post by ibot2much on Feb 25, 2019 18:40:58 GMT
So much for all of the WG business......loved Adam L and Jennifer H.
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Post by Kao on Feb 25, 2019 18:45:51 GMT
Green Book Writer Claims Don Shirley Didn’t Want Him to Reach Out to His Familywww.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/oscars-2019-green-book-nick-vallelonga-don-shirley-family Nick Vallelonga, the Green Book co-writer and co-producer who won two Oscars Sunday night, has again defended himself against claims that his film—which was inspired by his father and pianist Dr. Don Shirley’s real-life friendship—misrepresented Shirley.
Vallelonga and the film’s director, Peter Farrelly, have been criticized for making their movie without any input from Shirley’s living relatives.
But at the Academy Awards, Vallelonga told reporters that Shirley did not want him to speak to anyone in his family about telling his story.
“Don Shirley himself told me to not speak to anyone,” Vallelonga said. “He told me the story he wanted to tell. He protected his private life, and all the other things about him—miraculous things about him.
He was an amazing man. He told me, ‘If you’re gonna tell the story, you tell it from your father, me—no one else. Don’t speak to anyone else. That’s how you have to make it.’”
He added that Dr. Shirley told him to not make the film until after Shirley had passed away. “So I just kept my word to that man,” Vallelonga said. “I wish I could have reached out to Don Shirley’s family.
I didn’t even know they really existed until after we were making the film.” That man unfortunately is a liar. Apparently he had been on Don Shirley to make a story of his life (which turned into your typical racist redemption story with barely a mention of the significance of the Green Book or Shirley, *cough*) and Don turned him down repeatedly. For years. So not only did he go against a dead man's wishes, he also had the gall to lie about it. Unfortunately, since Shirley is dead he can put words in that poor man's mouth. It's disgusting.
Also, keep in mind that Vallelonga was also recently under fire for saying how "he saw with his own eyes" how Arabs were celebrating 9/11 (when actually the clip in question was an Eid celebration) so excuse me while I don't believe anything this man says.
If anyone's interested, here's an article that verifies this, and sheds more light on the subject:
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Post by lonnie on Feb 25, 2019 18:58:45 GMT
I haven't seen Greenbook, but from the clips, I've had a Driving Miss Daisy vibe in reverse. Hey, the ceremony went so well there had to be some controversy or it wouldn't be the Oscars. True. I thought keeping political speeches to the bare minimum, was why I enjoyed last night. I can agree with that, and when they do happen it's usually very one sided.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 25, 2019 19:21:40 GMT
Green Book Writer Claims Don Shirley Didn’t Want Him to Reach Out to His Familywww.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/oscars-2019-green-book-nick-vallelonga-don-shirley-family Nick Vallelonga, the Green Book co-writer and co-producer who won two Oscars Sunday night, has again defended himself against claims that his film—which was inspired by his father and pianist Dr. Don Shirley’s real-life friendship—misrepresented Shirley.
Vallelonga and the film’s director, Peter Farrelly, have been criticized for making their movie without any input from Shirley’s living relatives.
But at the Academy Awards, Vallelonga told reporters that Shirley did not want him to speak to anyone in his family about telling his story.
“Don Shirley himself told me to not speak to anyone,” Vallelonga said. “He told me the story he wanted to tell. He protected his private life, and all the other things about him—miraculous things about him.
He was an amazing man. He told me, ‘If you’re gonna tell the story, you tell it from your father, me—no one else. Don’t speak to anyone else. That’s how you have to make it.’”
He added that Dr. Shirley told him to not make the film until after Shirley had passed away. “So I just kept my word to that man,” Vallelonga said. “I wish I could have reached out to Don Shirley’s family.
I didn’t even know they really existed until after we were making the film.” That man unfortunately is a liar. Apparently he had been on Don Shirley to make a story of his life (which turned into your typical racist redemption story with barely a mention of the significance of the Green Book or Shirley, *cough*) and Don turned him down repeatedly. For years. So not only did he go against a dead man's wishes, he also had the gall to lie about it. Unfortunately, since Shirley is dead he can put words in that poor man's mouth. It's disgusting.
Also, keep in mind that Vallelonga was also recently under fire for saying how "he saw with his own eyes" how Arabs were celebrating 9/11 (when actually the clip in question was an Eid celebration) so excuse me while I don't believe anything this man says.
If anyone's interested, here's an article that verifies this, and sheds more light on the subject:
I certainly place myself in a window seat on the "Green Book should not have won" train. But in fairness to the makers of the film, I think it should be acknowledged that the film was presented and marketed as "inspired by" the friendship between two real life men. It was not presented as a historical account of what actually happened. Given the writer, it no doubt took a POV that favored Viggo Mortensen's character and his perspective It offered commentary on what the country looked like in that era based on things that are known to have happened. But it's not a historical account. Compared to other films that were contending for Best Picture - Adam McKay worked really really hard in Vice to convince the audience that everything shown in that movie actually happened ... although there's really no way of knowing if the intimate conversations between the Cheneys happened as depicted since neither of them as released accounts of such conversations. BlackKklansman was inspired by Ron Stallworth's book. But the writers took some artistic license to share the story but do it in an entertaining way that made a bigger point. The Favourite depicted the reign of Queen Anne and included some things that are documented in history. But it told the story in a way that took great artistic license as well. Heck, even Roma was based on memories of Alfonso Curaon's childhood, but used artistic license. Some movies are more direct in the way they get creative with telling a story but also making things up ... Steve Jobs comes to mind as one that depicted Job's life pretty accurately, but did so depicting events that never ever happened. Other movies try to lean on being true and gloss over the details that were created. None of these were in contention for best documentary, and Green Book was honest in using the "inspired by" line instead of saying it was a true story. I'll criticize it for being a white savior movie. I'll criticize it for just not being the very best movie of the year. But I won't get hung up on accuracy, because it never really claimed to be accurate.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Feb 25, 2019 19:27:44 GMT
Lupita is a beautiful woman, but not digging her gown at all! I think the In Memoriam was beautifully done this year.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 25, 2019 19:57:11 GMT
Lupita is a beautiful woman, but not digging her gown at all! I think the In Memoriam was beautifully done this year. I didn't care for it either..lots of dresses I didn't like this year...
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Post by Critical on Feb 25, 2019 22:26:52 GMT
Glad to read all the feedback about Greenbook, I have not seen it but have heard similar comments. I thought I saw that Mahershala Ali's wife not looking happy when the three white men accepted the Oscar for best screenplay. And then I noted that a couple of minutes after that the whole family left their seats. I had to go to bed so I never saw if they returned. Anyhoo, I really enjoyed last night and my favorite part was a short about a dumping won followed by a documentary short about periods! Loved seeing so many women win. It makes it so much more enjoyable when we see more diversity. Oh! Also, what chemistry does Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper have???? If I was his GF I'd be sooooo jealous. From all accounts, she gets paid quite nicely, so that's what you should be jealous of - her paycheck!
Did anyone else notice these omissions from the In Memororium segment? I figured that, since Stanley Donen just passed on Saturday, they didn't have time to re-edit the video to add him. I'm sure he'll be prominent in next year's segment. Leaving Carol freaking Channing out!? WTF? And Oscar nominee Sondra Locke? With that one, because I know Eastwood essentially ruined her career when they split up, I did wonder if something else was at work there..... Verne Troyer wasn't on the list either. Neither was John Mahoney. www.huffpost.com/entry/oscars-baffling-omissions-in-memoriam-segment_n_5c73da28e4b00eed0836f3e3I did think that there seemed like a lot fewer actors in the tribute. I get that they want to represent all aspects of the industry, but come on. You can't leave out legends and Carol Channing definitely qualifies. IMO, so does Aretha Franklin, who also wasn't included in the tribute.
ETA: Oh, and I also liked that it was jut the orchestra playing during the In Memorium segment. In the past, when they have a big deal singer to do it, they focus to much on that person when the point should be paying tribute to the people who passed.
I thought JHud was super pitchy. Just me? I normally love her, but she sounded off to me last night.
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Post by beerbelly on Feb 25, 2019 23:38:42 GMT
Agreed! I adore Carol Channing but usually hate the "in memororium" segment - I hate when people clap and reminds me of a popularity contest. I wish everyone would be silent, but of course they are all actors...so hard! Honestly, I don't know who Cooper's GF is nor do I know what she does for a living. But man, if my boyfriend was up there on stage creating beautiful fire with another woman???? No matter how much I bank, I would still feel jealous!
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Post by Critical on Feb 25, 2019 23:43:34 GMT
Irina Shayk is a model, beerbelly. She makes nice money on her own, but I'm sure he pays her well too. I don't think she's probably jealous. I'm pretty sure theirs is a business arrangement
ETA: Some people want the fame and notoriety so badly that they don't care if they hurt someone's feelings. Even if that was a real relationship, he probably would do the same thing. Look at how much attention that song - and especially that moment between BCoop and Gaga - is getting this morning. Great for the career Plus, acting.
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Post by beerbelly on Feb 25, 2019 23:46:46 GMT
Ohhhh!!! I'm so glad I'm not in Hollywood! Thank you for enlightening me Critical!!!
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Post by Kao on Feb 26, 2019 0:20:24 GMT
The Vanity Fair Oscar portraits were released on Instagram today. Lupita, Selma, Sophie & Joe, and a few others look gorgeous, so check it out if you haven't already!
My outfit of the night goes to Billy Porter in Christian Siriano. That velvet tux-dress was awesome.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Feb 26, 2019 0:22:19 GMT
Irina Shayk is a model, beerbelly. She makes nice money on her own, but I'm sure he pays her well too. I don't think she's probably jealous. I'm pretty sure theirs is a business arrangement
ETA: Some people want the fame and notoriety so badly that they don't care if they hurt someone's feelings. Even if that was a real relationship, he probably would do the same thing. Look at how much attention that song - and especially that moment between BCoop and Gaga - is getting this morning. Great for the career Plus, acting. Are you saying that Irina is Bradley's beard? I haven't heard anything about that. Don't they have a little daughter together?
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Post by Kao on Feb 26, 2019 0:25:36 GMT
Irina Shayk is a model, beerbelly. She makes nice money on her own, but I'm sure he pays her well too. I don't think she's probably jealous. I'm pretty sure theirs is a business arrangement
ETA: Some people want the fame and notoriety so badly that they don't care if they hurt someone's feelings. Even if that was a real relationship, he probably would do the same thing. Look at how much attention that song - and especially that moment between BCoop and Gaga - is getting this morning. Great for the career Plus, acting. Are you saying that Irina is Bradley's beard? I haven't heard anything about that. Don't they have a little daughter together? I've heard the same thing, and that she had a similar deal with Cristiano Ronaldo. Not sure if it's true or not (Cristiano has always come across as het to me) but you never know.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 26, 2019 0:54:35 GMT
The Vanity Fair Oscar portraits were released on Instagram today. Lupita, Selma, Sophie & Joe, and a few others look gorgeous, so check it out if you haven't already!
My outfit of the night goes to Billy Porter in Christian Siriano. That velvet tux-dress was awesome.
Billy Porters outfit was fantastic and fit his persona so well ... and fit his body quite well too! I took note of it last night, but loved it even more when I heard him talk about it. Hearing him say that when a woman wears pants she’s applauded for being fierce and embracing masculinity, but when a man wears a skirt he’s questioned for embracing femininity and he wanted to challenge that. LOVE that message!
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