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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 28, 2018 0:16:59 GMT
www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/john-goodman-defends-roseanne-barr-says-shes-going-through-hell/ar-BBMw0fy?ocid=spartanntpJohn Goodman Defends Roseanne Barr, Says She's 'Going Through Hell' John Goodman is opening up about Roseanne's abrupt cancellation in May, after star Roseanne Barr was fired due to a racist tweet against Valerie Jarrett, a former senior adviser to Barack Obama. In a new interview with The Sunday Times, the 66-year-old actor admits he was devastated at ABC's decision to cancel the highly rated show, and also became depressed. Goodman played Barr's on-screen husband, Dan Conner. “I was brokenhearted, but I thought, ‘OK, it’s just show business, I’m going to let it go,'" he recalls. "But I went through a period, about a month, where I was very depressed. I’m a depressive anyway, so any excuse that I can get to lower myself, I will. But that had a great deal to do with it, more than I wanted to admit.” He also defends Barr, revealing that the 65-year-old comedian had to give up her rights to the show so that its spinoff, The Connors, could go on without her. “I know, I know, for a fact that she’s not a racist," he says. “She had to sign a paper saying that she relinquished all her rights to the show so that we could go on," he adds. "I sent her an email and thanked her for that. I did not hear anything back, but she was going through hell at the time. And she's still going through hell."
hen asked about Barr getting fired, Goodman says he was "surprised" at the network's decision. “I was surprised. I’ll put it this way, I was surprised at the response," he says, before pausing. “And that’s probably all I should say about it.” But while Goodman defends Barr, he is hesitant when he's asked if the two are good friends. “We were work friends,” he says of their relationship. In May, Barr praised both Goodman and their co-star, Laurie Metcalf. "I just wish ABC had not thrown two of the greatest actors in the world out with me-Laurie and John," Barr tweeted. "I'm so sick over this -- they will never have better character actors on their network." I really, really want to find it somewhere in my heart to feel sorry for Roseanne. But no, I can't. And I know that John Goodman is very well intentioned (and I really like him) -- but all I think when I try and read this stuff is Boo Hoo Roseanne. You're a big-mouthed sour bully bigot who can dish it out but can't take the consequences. Well, this time you'll have to take the consequences. Hope you'll learn some tolerance and humanity, and while you're at it, why don't you also learn to think of others before you speak!
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Post by MFWalkoff on Aug 28, 2018 1:33:46 GMT
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Post by redsoxgirl on Aug 28, 2018 9:01:49 GMT
I'm not going to judge her. John Goodman knows her, I don't. Therefore I won't 'correct' John Goodman or insist he is wrong. Again, he knows her, I don't. And if we are going to condemn Roseanne we should also be critical of Sarah Gilbert and the rest of the cast. Roseanne has always been a loose cannon-Sarah and company knew this. So, if people are going to trash Roseanne they ought to look at the people who offered her the job and question why they are shocked by her comments. I have compassion for Roseanne. We are all flawed. She's made plenty of mistakes-but, she never made bigoted comments until recently. I am deeply flawed. I make mistakes. Maybe a few yeas ago I would be cold and 'happy' she was getting her 'comeuppance." I don't have it in me to do that anymore. She's clearly suffering. And I can't be happy for that. I'd like to know what brought her to this point. What were all the experiences that have broken her? I'm glad John Goodman spoke out. He sounds like a kind, decent, compassionate man.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Aug 28, 2018 17:42:32 GMT
I'm not going to judge her. John Goodman knows her, I don't. Therefore I won't 'correct' John Goodman or insist he is wrong. Again, he knows her, I don't. And if we are going to condemn Roseanne we should also be critical of Sarah Gilbert and the rest of the cast. Roseanne has always been a loose cannon-Sarah and company knew this. So, if people are going to trash Roseanne they ought to look at the people who offered her the job and question why they are shocked by her comments.I have compassion for Roseanne. We are all flawed. She's made plenty of mistakes-but, she never made bigoted comments until recently. I am deeply flawed. I make mistakes. Maybe a few yeas ago I would be cold and 'happy' she was getting her 'comeuppance." I don't have it in me to do that anymore. She's clearly suffering. And I can't be happy for that. I'd like to know what brought her to this point. What were all the experiences that have broken her? I'm glad John Goodman spoke out. He sounds like a kind, decent, compassionate man. "She never made bigoted comments until recently" (I assume you're referring to the Valerie Jarrett comments), but Sarah Gilbert and company should be criticized for not knowing she would?? I'm sorry Roseanne Barr is suffering, but we've all made mistakes and had to suffer the consequences, be they large or small. It's called life lessons. Choices have consequences.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Aug 28, 2018 20:03:37 GMT
I did not state Roseanne should not suffer consequences. I wrote that she s a flawed human being who I choose not to turn into a monster. I'll again point to John Goodman. He knows her and he has empathy for her. I have yet to find anyone who knows her who says she is in any way racist. Again, I'm not excusing what she wrote. It was wrong. But I did not blame Sarah Gilbert for Roseanne's choice to tweet what she did. I wrote that Gilbert knew that for years Roseanne was angry, unpredictable and not one to be controlled. Tweet after tweet after tweet made it as clear as day. Was Giblet expecting Roseanne to stop? Or instantly change? That would be naïve. I'm not defending her comments, merely adding information from people who know her. As I wrote, I am flawed, and I think we all need some form of grace from others when we fall. That doesn't mean excusing the mistake. Or defending the bad behavior. I look at her career as a whole, I listen to those who know her. There's clearly someone good in there. And I do care when someone is suffering. I don't dismiss it. She's lost everything. And she willingly gave up rights to her character so the rest of the cast could go on. There is a Swedish proverb: Love me when I lest deserve it, because that's when I need it the most."
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Post by redsoxgirl on Aug 28, 2018 20:06:18 GMT
I can't picture Dan w/o Roseanne. Their chemistry was great.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Aug 28, 2018 21:58:10 GMT
I did not state Roseanne should not suffer consequences. I wrote that she s a flawed human being who I choose not to turn into a monster. I'll again point to John Goodman. He knows her and he has empathy for her. I have yet to find anyone who knows her who says she is in any way racist. Again, I'm not excusing what she wrote. It was wrong. But I did not blame Sarah Gilbert for Roseanne's choice to tweet what she did. I wrote that Gilbert knew that for years Roseanne was angry, unpredictable and not one to be controlled. Tweet after tweet after tweet made it as clear as day. Was Giblet expecting Roseanne to stop? Or instantly change? That would be naïve. I'm not defending her comments, merely adding information from people who know her. As I wrote, I am flawed, and I think we all need some form of grace from others when we fall. That doesn't mean excusing the mistake. Or defending the bad behavior. I look at her career as a whole, I listen to those who know her. There's clearly someone good in there. And I do care when someone is suffering. I don't dismiss it. She's lost everything. And she willingly gave up rights to her character so the rest of the cast could go on. There is a Swedish proverb: Love me when I lest deserve it, because that's when I need it the most." The point is, if you are correct in stating in your previous post that RB had never tweeted anything racist before, how would Gilbert know or suspect she would do that? Just because she's always been unpredictable, uncontrollable, etc., does not mean she would make racist tweets. She can tweet all the stupid crap she wants, but it's appropriate for the network AND Sarah Gilbert AND Whitney Cummings to draw the line at racism. The racist tweets were not excusable for any reason whatsoever. You can't say she never expressed racism before and then expect her co-worker to know she might do that!
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Post by redsoxgirl on Aug 29, 2018 6:55:13 GMT
As I previously stated, I did not write that Gilbert could know Roseanne would tweet a racist comment, only that she along with everyone else, knew Roseanne was troubled, with a long history of unpredictable and sometimes offensive comments. Going on that info alone, everyone involved should have realized something would eventually give. In this case, it was a racist tweet. But it could have been an offensive tweet about something else, which steps over the line. That's how I see it.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Aug 29, 2018 8:37:55 GMT
But in that sense, ABC was already used to that kind of controversy coming from her. After the first season of the show back in 88-89, she fired the show's creator and brought in her boyfriend as a producer. She made headlines all the time for odd or controversial behavior.
But there was no social media back then, in fact there was barely an internet to speak of. Times have changed, and now people don't have to take the time to sit down, gather their thoughts and write a letter and pay for a stamp to vent their outrage. They can do it the second anything bugs them, with no need to take the time to consider their words, or even think about how outraged they truly, ultimately are in the grand scheme of things. It affected Roseanne, and it affects all of us too.
I don't fault everyone involved for trying to salvage something good out of the wreckage. The one thing the show was always good at (and still was in the revival) is holding a mirror up to America and making it take a hard look at itself. I'm not sure if they'll succeed with this new version of the show, but I'm glad they're going to try.
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Post by MissScarlet on Sept 1, 2018 1:58:26 GMT
I guess it's time to make it official & change the name of the thread to just The Connors. It's been announced & is being talked about by the actors. I've even seen an advertisement for it on TV. It showed the couch with the afghan over the back of it, and the name The Connors in big bold letters in the same font as the previous title. So it's definite, it's back & the show title is official. I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 1, 2018 10:34:27 GMT
I guess it's time to make it official & change the name of the thread to just The Connors. It's been announced & is being talked about by the actors. I've even seen an advertisement for it on TV. It showed the couch with the afghan over the back of it, and the name The Connors in big bold letters in the same font as the previous title. So it's definite, it's back & the show title is official. I'm looking forward to it. I'll bet that in Roseanne's wildest dreams she never imagined that HER show ( that she created, starred in, and produced) could ever go on without her. I'm not much interested in what Roseanne thinks or doesn't think, but I do hope the new 'The Conners' show does really well, cause the cast chemistry is really great and probably will remain great, even without "mom."
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Post by razorbacker on Sept 3, 2018 18:19:48 GMT
Poor Roseanne. She has decided to move to Israel once the new show starts. Why would they want her?
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 3, 2018 18:28:03 GMT
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 3, 2018 20:17:49 GMT
I think this "moving to Israel" thing is being blown out of proportion. In the clip I saw, she said that she was going to go to Israel for a few weeks (or maybe it was months) to study with her favorite teachers there and that had planned to go at the same time as The Connors premiere so that she wouldn't have to be here to deal with it. She then started talking about how she might even want to move to Israel permanently, because she's very proud to be Jewish. But moving isn't a done deal like these headlines make it sound.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 5, 2018 7:13:58 GMT
Roseanne Barr Says She's Moving to Israel When 'The Conners' Airs "I have an opportunity to go to Israel for a few months and study with my favourite teachers over there, and that's where I'm going to go and probably move somewhere there and study with my favourite teachers," the actress said in a new podcast with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, the latest of many such appearances with the rabbi. "I have saved a few pennies and I'm so lucky I can go ... and study with any rabbi that I can ask to teach me, and it's my great joy and privilege to be a Jewish woman." Barr said she wishes no ill will on anyone still associated with the show. 'm staying away from it. Not wishing bad on anyone and I don't wish good for my enemies. I don't. I can't. I just stay neutral. That's what I gotta do. I have some mental health issues of depression and stuff. I got to stay in the middle or I'll go dark, and I don't want to go dark again. I've done it. After all, I was married to Tom Arnold. Ha ha." She said she doesn't want to watch the show or hear any of the commentary surrounding it. She predicted that the pundits will opine that Barr "never was any damn good" and they are "glad she's gone." She said at some point she may be tempted to have too many drinks and "I'll call Elon Musk and tell himself to f--k himself or something and then I'll go to jail. I can't stop myself. Once I go dark — I'd rather stay light. On Boteach's latest podcast, Barr said while she is actually sorry for what she tweeted, she regrets apologizing publicly. "My friends told me at the beginning, 'Oh my god, you made a fatal mistake, and that is you apologized to the left and once you apologize they never forgive, they just try to beat you down until you don't exist,'" she said, adding: "It's just sad." "I should never have said I'm sorry(to the public) in their world. In my world, I had to because I was sorry. For crying out loud, I was sorry. People were so angry and, I have to say, a little bit ill-informed about me that they would put me in the same box where they have people who call for the death of all Jews and want to enslave all black people — real racists that actually exist. They put me in this box with them, and how do they think that's going to affect me? They don't, and they're under mind control."www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/celebrity/roseanne-barr-says-shes-moving-to-israel-when-the-conners-airs/ar-BBMNSTy?li=AAggSpD
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 5, 2018 7:17:37 GMT
I think this "moving to Israel" thing is being blown out of proportion. In the clip I saw, she said that she was going to go to Israel for a few weeks (or maybe it was months) to study with her favorite teachers there and that had planned to go at the same time as The Connors premiere so that she wouldn't have to be here to deal with it. She then started talking about how she might even want to move to Israel permanently, because she's very proud to be Jewish. But moving isn't a done deal like these headlines make it sound. Thank you, Miss Griss for clarifying he misleading headlines. I appreciate it.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 5, 2018 13:09:41 GMT
I wish Roseanne would keep her opinions (and plans) to herself, because to me, she just makes matters worse and worse.
And by the way, she wasn't just apologizing "to the left" --- she was, or SHOULD HAVE BEEN, apologizing to ALL people for her disgusting remarks. And now, her further remarks about "the left never forgiving" etc. etc. is just more over-generalized hate-speech.
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Post by jenniferboston1 on Sept 11, 2018 15:22:11 GMT
Roseanne moving to Israel is most likely like Cher moving to Jupiter if Trump was elected. Did Cher move to Jupiter? Did Rosie O'Donnell move to Canada? Celebs are always flapping their jacks....
I'll watch the first show, but that'll be it. Roseanne (eventually) took responsibility for what she tweeted. We have forgiven worse. Maybe someday she can bounce back, maybe not. Personally, I think what she tweeted was horrid, offensive, disgusting...but as I previously stated, we (I) have forgiven worse.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 11, 2018 22:22:50 GMT
Roseanne moving to Israel is most likely like Cher moving to Jupiter if Trump was elected. Did Cher move to Jupiter? Did Rosie O'Donnell move to Canada? Celebs are always flapping their jacks.... I'll watch the first show, but that'll be it. Roseanne (eventually) took responsibility for what she tweeted. We have forgiven worse. Maybe someday she can bounce back, maybe not. Personally, I think what she tweeted was horrid, offensive, disgusting...but as I previously stated, we (I) have forgiven worse. You summed it up perfectly-thank you for sharing this. You speak for many of us out here.
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Post by ibot2much on Oct 5, 2018 20:11:23 GMT
Saw an article featuring Laurie, Darlene and John in this week's PEOPLE. If nothing else, look at it in the checkout line just to see the tremendous amount of weight John has lost .
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Post by MissGriss on Oct 5, 2018 23:40:57 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Oct 11, 2018 18:58:05 GMT
TUESDAY!!! OCTOBER 16th!!! SEASON PREMIER!!!!
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Post by burntbrat on Oct 17, 2018 1:08:55 GMT
I was a bit disappointed in this first episode. The first half seemed awkward and thrown together. As the show went on, it got better, but it was clearly missing something. I'm not saying it was missing Roseanne, I'm just saying it was missing something. Like the glue that holds everything together. I think that they are setting Darlene up to be that central character, and I hope so. I'm a big Darlene fan and I think she's the only character who can pull it off. I'm not sure if the fan base will agree with me though.
I chuckled only once... but I cried a lot when Jackie was lost in the kitchen and saying she didn't want to go home. Laurie Metcalf is such a great actress.
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Post by momrek06 on Oct 17, 2018 4:01:15 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Oct 17, 2018 4:03:00 GMT
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Post by Arielflies on Oct 17, 2018 4:50:43 GMT
I enjoyed it. Particularly when they discovered the true cause of her death and the repercussions. It is interesting that the grandson has come out and Dan is so accepting. Grandma can go away.
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Post by momrek06 on Oct 17, 2018 6:06:24 GMT
I enjoyed it. Particularly when they discovered the true cause of her death and the repercussions. It is interesting that the grandson has come out and Dan is so accepting. Grandma can go away. I liked it too, ArielfliesJackie and her TRIANGLE!!! i thought the writers did a great job!!! Appears Darlene will be carrying the show!!! She is in every scene!!! I love Darlene!!!
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Post by beerbelly on Oct 17, 2018 11:36:16 GMT
I LOVED the scenes with Jackie. They were incredible. They seemed to have softened up Dan since the re-boot which I appreciate. He was really harsh about the birdhouse with his grandchild - but now he's super supportive.
I also liked the addition of the solider, she has great presence.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 17, 2018 12:12:37 GMT
I'm looking past the horrible things she's done in the past to give her a pass on this one. It's gotta be very difficult for her to see the show go on without her, so if she wants a little attention while it's happening, so be it. I don't think the fact can be lost that the show would not have continued, and all of the people involved would be without their jobs on the show if she had not signed away her rights to the characters. She's done a lot of wrong things, but that was a right thing that I don't think should be dismissed. She's hurting, even though she hurt herself.
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Post by Gutmutter on Oct 17, 2018 12:49:21 GMT
I watched, but I wasn’t ever a fan of the show to start with. I’m glad they’re moving on without her, but to me it feels like they’re checking off boxes... gay character, check. Interracial marriage, check. Opioid issue, check. Etc.
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