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Post by FannyMare on May 29, 2018 19:06:42 GMT
I still think someone else will pick it up,jmho.. And that would be a station I would no longer watch. Quite frankly, I'm not sure why a lot of people watched, making it a number one show. I'd watch, it's not must see TV though..
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Post by acookertv on May 29, 2018 19:09:42 GMT
Show has been cancelled, which is a shame. I think ABC could have just killed off her character to get away from the controversy she brings. They set it up perfectly too - she found a way to pay for knee surgery, so they could have explained it as she died on the table during surgery. It would have had all sorts of great storylines - Dan feeling guilt over pushing for the surgery, Darlene, Becky and Jackie battling for who is the woman of the house now. Lots of talented people out of jobs because one woman can't control her anger.
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Post by FannyMare on May 29, 2018 19:15:33 GMT
Show has been cancelled, which is a shame. I think ABC could have just killed off her character to get away from the controversy she brings. They set it up perfectly too - she found a way to pay for knee surgery, so they could have explained it as she died on the table during surgery. It would have had all sorts of great storylines - Dan feeling guilt over pushing for the surgery, Darlene, Becky and Jackie battling for who is the woman of the house now. Lots of talented people out of jobs because one woman can't control her anger. ABC knew she bought into the sandy book conspiracy, why take her on at all?, Oh well, I hope the cast members find another job..
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Post by AlwaysVeg on May 29, 2018 19:23:23 GMT
One aspect of the show I liked seems ironic in terms of RB's statements, and that is the diversity it highlighted in the family and neighborhood in terms of race -- the neighbors, the black daughter-in-law and biracial granddaughter, Dan's black friend -- and gender identity regarding the grandson. I saw that as an inclusive, open-minded element reflecting the "new normal" ... and then RB tweets that insulting racist crap. Doesn't make sense to me unless she's off her rocker.
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Post by razorbacker on May 29, 2018 19:28:17 GMT
A few posts not about the show directly will not disrupt the thread. People are reacting to the reason why this show was cancelled and the person who caused the cancellation. After these first posts, the uproar will calm down and those who want to discuss what was good and bad about the show as we viewed it can continue.
If posters wish to continue The View discussion, use that thread. Thanks.
I still think someone else will pick it up,jmho.. Maybe they can put it on right after Fox and Friends. She is just another in a long line of stupid loud mouths that think they can get away with anything. Stand shoulder to shoulder with Kathy Griffith. Sure wish I could say I was surprised but the only thing that shocks me is that it took so long for her mouth to get her in trouble.
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Post by momrek06 on May 29, 2018 19:28:26 GMT
I actually think as far as SG, JG and ML .... they are very busy still gainfully working and acting .... either on tv or the movies.
EP, I have no clue.
JohnnyG ... I believe was a one time stop in for the show ... because he is so busy with TBBT.
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Post by libgirl2 on May 29, 2018 19:29:15 GMT
NO ONE will touch this show now. Yes, people say dumb things all the time, but if they're the star of a TV show and they repeatedly make abhorrent racist comments online, there will and should be consequences.
I only feel sorry for the people involved with the show who are now out of a job. That's what her behavior did. I'd guess that at least some of the actors are happy. In watching any interviews to support the reboot, several of them, John Goodman and Sarah Gilbert included, looked uncomfortable with Roseanne when she spoke out about her politics. I can imagine that set was sometimes not such a happy place to be.
Absolutely totally agree. Writers, producers, directors will run from it. ESP in this climate in this day an age. Look at all the outstanding actors THIS show had ... what a SHAME all because of RB. SG, LM, JG, EP...... Sad. Because she can't control herself. Its a shame for everyone else on the show.
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Post by libgirl2 on May 29, 2018 19:32:12 GMT
One aspect of the show I liked seems ironic in terms of RB's statements, and that is the diversity it highlighted in the family and neighborhood in terms of race -- the neighbors, the black daughter-in-law and biracial granddaughter, Dan's black friend -- and gender identity regarding the grandson. I saw that as an inclusive, open-minded element reflecting the "new normal" ... and then RB tweets that insulting racist crap. Doesn't make sense to me unless she's off her rocker. I was thinking along the same thing. She seemed to have no problem with diversity on the show and than she says this! I know she's not her character but still.
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Post by dagwood on May 29, 2018 19:34:32 GMT
Welp, buh bye Rosanne. I have not watched this season except for the first episode. I doubt I will now. Her idiocy took paychecks out of others hands.
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Post by MissScarlet on May 29, 2018 19:34:37 GMT
Show has been cancelled, which is a shame. I think ABC could have just killed off her character to get away from the controversy she brings. They set it up perfectly too - she found a way to pay for knee surgery, so they could have explained it as she died on the table during surgery. It would have had all sorts of great storylines - Dan feeling guilt over pushing for the surgery, Darlene, Becky and Jackie battling for who is the woman of the house now. Lots of talented people out of jobs because one woman can't control her anger. ABC knew she bought into the sandy book conspiracy, why take her on at all?, Oh well, I hope the cast members find another job.. Unfortunately in this case that's just not practical. Like it or not, Roseanne Barr is the reason for this show. While the rest of the Connor family is great & important, the show focuses mainly on her. Her outspoken reputation outside the show is what gets her noticed. Her character has many of her personality traits, although the character is able to be much more open minded when the story calls for it & able to understand multiple sides of an issue. The rest of the cast could maybe carry the show for 1 season, but even that's iffy. I doubt it would make it to the end of the season. Killing off the Roseanne character would be killing off the show. Choosing to end the show now would be preferable to the Network having a ratings disaster on their hands. This cancellation shocked me. Seldom does a show have so much success immediately out of the gate. This one just blasted off. The Network just killed the Golden Goose. It wouldn't surprise me if like Fanny Mare said, another Network picks it up. After this scandal however, I doubt it would be a ratings bonanza anymore. Darn that Roseanne & her big & stupid mouth. "Joke" or no joke, she should have know better than to make an ugly comment like that. Especially in writing. Ultimately, she did it to herself.
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Post by redsoxgirl on May 29, 2018 19:35:32 GMT
Rosanne was the highest rated show with superb writing. The storylines were powerful and realistic. I cried during the final episode when Dan was standing in his flooded cellar saying He was barley hanging on by his fingertips. Millions know that feeling. I know that feeling. Rosanne blew it. She blew it for the rest of the cast, for the writers and for every single person employed by that show. She blew it for millions of viewers, who represented different parties, united by the shared experience of scraping by. I am not viewing this through the lens of politics. Both major parties are filled with hypocrites. I am reacting to all of it as a human being. I'm sad such a well written show is gone because it's star couldn't stop herself from tweeting over the top and finally, unacceptable comments. She didn't or chose not to see the bigger picture. That this show is important and resonates deeply with so many who feel they have been ignored and treated as stereotypes.
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Post by Arielflies on May 29, 2018 19:39:01 GMT
Hmmm...when your name is on the Title Page, so to speak, people assume you have some control over writing, etc. She grabbed control the first time around, but this time I think she let others control and she was along for the ride. I do believe Sarah Gilbert will be interviewed a lot today as the reunion was initially her idea and she produced.
What may have tipped ABC over was Wanda Sykes resignation (via tweet) right after Rosanne's became public.
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Post by JustJuls on May 29, 2018 19:40:22 GMT
One aspect of the show I liked seems ironic in terms of RB's statements, and that is the diversity it highlighted in the family and neighborhood in terms of race -- the neighbors, the black daughter-in-law and biracial granddaughter, Dan's black friend -- and gender identity regarding the grandson. I saw that as an inclusive, open-minded element reflecting the "new normal" ... and then RB tweets that insulting racist crap. Doesn't make sense to me unless she's off her rocker. I was thinking along the same thing. She seemed to have no problem with diversity on the show and than she says this! I know she's not her character but still. Was she one of the writers? Or producers? If not...she didn't really have a say. And maybe the writers were trying to make her seem more inclusive.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on May 29, 2018 19:42:31 GMT
One aspect of the show I liked seems ironic in terms of RB's statements, and that is the diversity it highlighted in the family and neighborhood in terms of race -- the neighbors, the black daughter-in-law and biracial granddaughter, Dan's black friend -- and gender identity regarding the grandson. I saw that as an inclusive, open-minded element reflecting the "new normal" ... and then RB tweets that insulting racist crap. Doesn't make sense to me unless she's off her rocker. I was thinking along the same thing. She seemed to have no problem with diversity on the show and than she says this! I know she's not her character but still. She might not be the same as her character, but still with her reputation for being controlling on this show behind the scenes, I'd bet that she came up with the idea of DJ's wife and daughter being black, and Mark with his more feminine gender expression that everyone ultimately accepts, so again, to me it just doesn't make sense that she's so racist and narrow-minded in real life.
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Post by momrek06 on May 29, 2018 19:52:35 GMT
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Post by Critical on May 29, 2018 19:54:02 GMT
Yeah, you can't kill off Roseanne on a show called Roseanne. Remember when Valerie Harper left Valerie and they renamed it The Hogan Family / Valerie's Family (I think it was both at one point)? That show crashed and burned without the original star.
I'm sure the actors will be fine. I'm not concerned about them, although a few of the cast didn't have busy careers like John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf. I'm much more concerned about all the crew and other staffers that are now out of a job. They don't have the financial security that some of the top billed stars on this show do. Roseanne's behavior put production assistants, writers, hairdressers, grips, and all the rest out of work. She should be ashamed of herself for that because we KNOW she'll never be ashamed about the nasty things she's said. Check out the opening and closing credits on ANY TV show. There are a lot more people behind the scenes that you ever seen on screen.
I do question why ABC ran with the show in the first place. She has her views, some of which I find offensive (someone mentioned Sandy Hook) and I wouldn't have watched her show because of them. Ultimately it's all about money, so ABC wasn't going to do anything until her behavior reached a point where it was going to hurt their bottom line OR she said something so horrible that they just couldn't chalk it up to her just being outspoken about her beliefs. I haven't seen her be a homophobe, but she's been hideously racist, attacked several religions and that stuff questioning Sandy Hook? I used the word "abhorrent" upthread and it's applicable.
I've seen people saying that this is a move against conservatives. NO, this is about this one conservative and if "conservative" is now synonymous with racism and hate against religious groups, attacking teenagers who survived and parents of children who were murdered in school shootings, then maybe it's time to reevaluate
I've also seen people whining about the First Amendment. Yeah, until the government comes and rounds her up and hauls her off to a Federal prison, she's got her freedom of speech. Free speech isn't about freedom from consequences and, unfortunately, others are having to suffer HER consequences as well.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on May 29, 2018 19:54:46 GMT
Rosanne was the highest rated show with superb writing. The storylines were powerful and realistic. I cried during the final episode when Dan was standing in his flooded cellar saying He was barley hanging on by his fingertips. Millions know that feeling. I know that feeling. Rosanne blew it. She blew it for the rest of the cast, for the writers and for every single person employed by that show. She blew it for millions of viewers, who represented different parties, united by the shared experience of scraping by.I am not viewing this through the lens of politics. Both major parties are filled with hypocrites. I am reacting to all of it as a human being. I'm sad such a well written show is gone because it's star couldn't stop herself from tweeting over the top and finally, unacceptable comments. She didn't or chose not to see the bigger picture. That this show is important and resonates deeply with so many who feel they have been ignored and treated as stereotypes.I don't think she really cared about the other actors or employees, nor did she have any altruistic motives in terms of serving the viewing audience who identified with the Connors. She did it for a new injection of money and fame. Power went to her head. I'm so tired of narcissists in this world. I have to watch one on the national news every day bringing out the worst in other people. When will they learn?
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Post by coco46 on May 29, 2018 19:56:14 GMT
This is ridiculous!!! ABC will keep the biggest racist show, The View, on I was just thinking the same thing. What about all the late show hosts saying awful things about the Trump administration, Kathe G. and the beheaded head of Trump, or the awful things that comedian said at the WH journalist dinner against Sarah Sanders. I call this BS double standard and I am angry!
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Post by libgirl2 on May 29, 2018 20:00:58 GMT
This is ridiculous!!! ABC will keep the biggest racist show, The View, on I was just thinking the same thing. What about all the late show hosts saying awful things about the Trump administration, Kathe G. and the beheaded head of Trump, or the awful things that comedian said at the WH journalist dinner against Sarah Sanders. I call this BS double standard and I am angry! But this was about calling an African American woman an ape. I can't excuse it. I don't know how that equates with some of the other shows out there. Maybe having my mom called a wetback and told to swim the Rio Grande back to Mexico (she is Dominican, but every Hispanic is Mexican in the eyes of too many people) colors my judgement. And I did enjoy the reboot. I didn't care about her politics, but there is a line.
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Post by coco46 on May 29, 2018 20:11:20 GMT
I was just thinking the same thing. What about all the late show hosts saying awful things about the Trump administration, Kathe G. and the beheaded head of Trump, or the awful things that comedian said at the WH journalist dinner against Sarah Sanders. I call this BS double standard and I am angry! But this was about calling an African American woman an ape. I can't excuse it. I don't know how that equates with some of the other shows out there. Maybe having my mom called a wetback and told to swim the Rio Grande back to Mexico (she is Dominican, but every Hispanic is Mexican in the eyes of too many people) colors my judgement. And I did enjoy the reboot. I didn't care about her politics, but there is a line. Did you not hear the awful things that that comedian (wish I could remember her name) said about women in general and abortions? As far as I am concerned, she takes the cake for being "abhorrent" and is still given a show on Netflix to spew her continued hatred. My responses hear are neither liberal nor conservative. Just hate the double standard, that's all.
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Post by Arielflies on May 29, 2018 20:15:22 GMT
This is the lead topic this afternoon (evening) on CNN. They are all waiting to see what Trump will say at a rally tonight since he praised Roseanne and the ratings when the new show first aired.
Unfortunately this is now political and we at the FoRT will need to be very careful how we approach it because we are NOT a political forum.
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Post by redsoxgirl on May 29, 2018 20:19:46 GMT
. Rosanne is a anomaly. She has a long history of making batsh)t crazy comments that are based in whacked out conspiracy theories and racial trope. However, during the run of the original Rosanne, in which she came to control all aspects of the show, Rosanne made sure three recurring characters were gay(Leon, Leon's partner and Nancy, who, along with Rosanne and Jackie, co-owned the Langford Lunchbox). Rosanne even tackled a relationship with a woman that resulted in a same sex kiss seen round the world. Dan's best friend and his best friends wife were part of the show throughout it's initial run. So, it's head scratching trying to figure out how these two very different Rosanne's exsist within the same person.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on May 29, 2018 20:19:54 GMT
I'm just appalled by anyone who doesn't see the difference between criticizing a presidential administration (when in history has that ever NOT been the case, besides it being the right of every American citizen to express their dissatisfaction with our elected and appointed officials) and calling and referring to a black woman (in this case a prominent presidential advisor, but it doesn't matter what their status) as an ape/Muslim hybrid. Kathy G. and Michelle W. have both paid for their bad taste in comedy, but neither was being a nasty overt racist. RB no doubt is now the darling of the neo-Nazi Party in this country for endorsing their viewpoint, and that is not the side of this issue with which I would ever identify.
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Post by lonnie on May 29, 2018 20:25:00 GMT
There should be more news sites that don't favor one side more than the other. Cause I'm sure huff post, cnn, and others would have something negative to say about the president no matter what he said. Just like some sites would constantly say negative things about the last president no matter what. Well huff post is more like a worse version of tmz type of site, but still.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on May 29, 2018 20:25:34 GMT
I don't know which is worse, though. Being a nasty over racist (Roseanne?) or Kathy G.'s/Michelle W. demeaning degrading comments that Sarah Sanders had to endure on that public stage. I could have cried for Sarah as I watched the expression on her face. Bullying like that CAN be JUST as HUGE an issue, as racism in my opinion.
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Post by momrek06 on May 29, 2018 20:33:22 GMT
I am actually waiting for RB to come out and address this in a statement ESP to her cast and crew as Critical points out ... all those CREW members as well as the ACTORS have all lost their jobs. I am disgusted that she has not done it yet. Yes, I know she sent a tweet apologizing for her JOKE. But that was not a joke. It was hurtful and racist. Does anyone actually think RB realizes what she has done, the seriousness of her RANT??? That she has offended people and cost people their employment??? Name calling, racial slurs, bullying can NOT be tolerated. As JustJuls stated "ZERO TOLERANCE" ...
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Post by redsoxgirl on May 29, 2018 20:41:48 GMT
The correspondents dinner is a roast-whoever is president and their staff are targets. Most presidents attend, taking part in the roast. Hosts are expected to cross the line. IN fact, every other year it seems a host is in hot water, via the media perception. Roasts are not polite r proper. The zingers are intentionally sharp and mean. That's the way these dinners go.
As for Kathie Griffith, her career never recovered from that awful 'joke.' She lost lucrative contracts and hosting duties. That 'joke' rightfully offended people of all political persuasions. So, she's certainly been punished and dropped because of it.
It's important to note Rosanne was hired for the reboot even though she has a long documented history of making offensive and racist comments. The issue became untenable once those comments became so extreme they offended one of the writers, the cast and the viewers.
Naomi Wolfe has signed on to Netflix. Like Rosanne, she's being given a shot at a show. Despite her outrageous comments. Or because of them. She is a social commentator with a viewpoint. If her remarks turn out to offend enough viewers, as Rosanne's comments did, she will go the way of Rosanne.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on May 29, 2018 20:43:46 GMT
Nah....that dinner was over-the-line. I don't call that kind of "roast" comical. It's degrading. When it hurts someone else's feelings, it's mean-spirited. I don't care what event it's done at. To each his own.
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Post by lonnie on May 29, 2018 20:46:26 GMT
Dog the bounty hunter's show was eventually brought back after remarks he made. Netflix does have some odd names for shows, such as dear white people.
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Post by Amy Lee on May 29, 2018 20:58:12 GMT
Look, Roseanne is neither off her rocker nor has anger issues. I don't need her actively hiding how she truly feels. She is plain and simple a racist person. Racism isn't just ignorance, it's a choice. She is choosing to be that way. She is a reminder of the work that still has to be done in this country. She is a reminder of the conversation that I will someday have to have with my future children because of people like her. Please, don't anyone be a Roseanne.
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