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Post by acookertv on Sept 4, 2019 18:45:30 GMT
I'm starting to think that the producers pick someone to stir the pot in every franchise. It just seems like some housewives do it over and over and over again without real reason. I think some of that is personality. I know of some people in my own life who just stir and and stir it - it's just their nature. But I do agree with you that producers know that in order to have drama things have to be stirred so they can progress, and they know which women bring that to the table. Not too long ago on Radio Andy, I listened to a discussion about the dynamics of taping these shows where they dissected the comments Bethenny made to Barbara on NY when they were in Miami. Essentially Bethenny was telling her she had to engage and had to contribute to the conversation. THe people on the radio commented that it was like an insiders guide to being a reality performer ... that some women think they are actually on vacation with friends, out to dinner with friends, playing games for game night at a friend's house - but in reality they are performing. They talked about how some women think a trip is a vacation, but others know that a trip is to be outlandish and overreact to things and they make great TV. I think Gizelle is one of those who understands when she's filming, she's performing. It makes better TV when women are fighting, and if she provokes others to fight she gets screen time without looking bad. |
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 4, 2019 19:36:14 GMT
I completely agree.
Even shows like Big Brother, Bachelor/ette, Survivor etc have people playing it up to the camera to get screen time. You KNOW these ladies do. And typically those are the ones that stay on for years...
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Post by betty80 on Sept 5, 2019 14:09:30 GMT
This may be a dumb question, but do producers decide pick the pot stirrer or to people decide to be pot stirrers to stay on the show? Now that I think about it, I agree with you about people who play it up for the cameras. I just wonder if producers, or Andy, pick their favorites and give them direction. Some HW are on for so many seasons, even though their stories are running out.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 5, 2019 15:06:15 GMT
This may be a dumb question, but do producers decide pick the pot stirrer or to people decide to be pot stirrers to stay on the show? Now that I think about it, I agree with you about people who play it up for the cameras. I just wonder if producers, or Andy, pick their favorites and give them direction. Some HW are on for so many seasons, even though their stories are running out. Good question. My guess would be that it can be a combination of both. In some cities, there may be a woman who naturally behaves that way, and they work with it. In others, there may be a woman who shows glimpses, but does not go all in until producers encourage it. I do know from a couple of friends who've been places where they are filming that while they are filming, they most definitely have times where they will cut and producers step in to give them "notes". So there is most definitely producer manipulation throughout the process. |
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Post by betty80 on Sept 5, 2019 22:12:06 GMT
This may be a dumb question, but do producers decide pick the pot stirrer or to people decide to be pot stirrers to stay on the show? Now that I think about it, I agree with you about people who play it up for the cameras. I just wonder if producers, or Andy, pick their favorites and give them direction. Some HW are on for so many seasons, even though their stories are running out. Good question. My guess would be that it can be a combination of both. In some cities, there may be a woman who naturally behaves that way, and they work with it. In others, there may be a woman who shows glimpses, but does not go all in until producers encourage it. I do know from a couple of friends who've been places where they are filming that while they are filming, they most definitely have times where they will cut and producers step in to give them "notes". So there is most definitely producer manipulation throughout the process. Thank you for the explanation. This makes sense. The more I watch HW shows, the more I can see how unreal they are. I guess just wasn't clear how it all happened. I know they don't have to memorize a script like actors do, but it does seem staged. I guess producers are already hoping to get certain stories from scenes. That or they see potential in a situation to make it more dramatic. Gizelle seems to bring up issues that were settled or on their way to being settled. She is good for ruining a dinner party, but I do watch for that drama. |
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Post by acookertv on Sept 5, 2019 23:30:37 GMT
Good question. My guess would be that it can be a combination of both. In some cities, there may be a woman who naturally behaves that way, and they work with it. In others, there may be a woman who shows glimpses, but does not go all in until producers encourage it. I do know from a couple of friends who've been places where they are filming that while they are filming, they most definitely have times where they will cut and producers step in to give them "notes". So there is most definitely producer manipulation throughout the process. Thank you for the explanation. This makes sense. The more I watch HW shows, the more I can see how unreal they are. I guess just wasn't clear how it all happened. I know they don't have to memorize a script like actors do, but it does seem staged. I guess producers are already hoping to get certain stories from scenes. That or they see potential in a situation to make it more dramatic. Gizelle seems to bring up issues that were settled or on their way to being settled. She is good for ruining a dinner party, but I do watch for that drama. I can do nothing but speculate. I base my speculation on two things - once having a chance to have lunch with Sheree from Atlanta and asking her some questions, and a few occasions I’ve had friends who were in a restaurant when they were filming. Based on that, I think they have three ways of filming. 1) trips and parties where all the women are expected to attend. They know with togetherness and alcohol drama will happen naturally, so that’s mainly filming without much interruption. 2) activities planned for a couple of women to do to see what will happen, or promote a given location. For these there may be some suggestions and encouragement but not a huge amount of control. 3) private scenes between two people meant to advance a story. These are things like a housewife talking to her husband about what happened the night before, two women going on a hike to react to things that have happened, two women meeting for drinks to hash out their differences. These I think are highly manipulated where each woman understands what key points they need to cover, and these can involve producers calling cut, and things being re-said / refilmed. |
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Post by betty80 on Sept 7, 2019 22:35:54 GMT
Thank you for the explanation. This makes sense. The more I watch HW shows, the more I can see how unreal they are. I guess just wasn't clear how it all happened. I know they don't have to memorize a script like actors do, but it does seem staged. I guess producers are already hoping to get certain stories from scenes. That or they see potential in a situation to make it more dramatic. Gizelle seems to bring up issues that were settled or on their way to being settled. She is good for ruining a dinner party, but I do watch for that drama. I can do nothing but speculate. I base my speculation on two things - once having a chance to have lunch with Sheree from Atlanta and asking her some questions, and a few occasions I’ve had friends who were in a restaurant when they were filming. Based on that, I think they have three ways of filming. 1) trips and parties where all the women are expected to attend. They know with togetherness and alcohol drama will happen naturally, so that’s mainly filming without much interruption. 2) activities planned for a couple of women to do to see what will happen, or promote a given location. For these there may be some suggestions and encouragement but not a huge amount of control. 3) private scenes between two people meant to advance a story. These are things like a housewife talking to her husband about what happened the night before, two women going on a hike to react to things that have happened, two women meeting for drinks to hash out their differences. These I think are highly manipulated where each woman understands what key points they need to cover, and these can involve producers calling cut, and things being re-said / refilmed. Everything you said sounds very possible, especially since it seems to be the same on multiple shows. |
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 16, 2019 20:13:21 GMT
They do kinda look alike   |
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Post by betty80 on Sept 16, 2019 21:19:36 GMT
Candiace and her mother scare me. I'm not really sympathetic towards Ashley. She wants special treatment. She has been horrible to the other wives since the first season.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 30, 2019 18:31:47 GMT
Soooo will Michael Darby learn his lesson and keep his butt grabbing hands to himself?  |
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Post by acookertv on Sept 30, 2019 18:53:57 GMT
He came across last night like a pompous douchebag! Given everything he's up against, he made a HUGE mistake to come in talking down to the other women and trying to shame them for gossiping about him. Especially when you look at how much gossiping his own wife has done about all them - which set them up for the harsh response!
There was one thing about the whole story that did not make sense to me and made me wonder how much of the story was fabricated ... when the women said that they'd been told that Michael had grabbed butts of producers in past seasons - doesn't that make the production company for the show liable? If they know that he's inappropriately touching their employees, and they continue to cast him, isn't that an employment problem? If his behavior is that widely known and has happened that often, how does Ashley continue to get recast?
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Post by betty80 on Sept 30, 2019 19:26:16 GMT
I wonder if Michael privately talks to Ashley the same way he talked to the rest of the cast last night. I was with Juan. I wanted to get out of there. I still can't believe he is trying to blame on the fact that he is Australian.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 30, 2019 20:03:37 GMT
I think that Michael is a guy who presents himself as rich, and as such believes he's entitled to whatever he wants. We've seen a lot of evidence that Ashley feeds into his entitled mindset. I'd argue that when they were having marriage problems, a big part of that was her starting to ask why he got everything as he wanted it. But I would guess that his "I get things the way I want them" extends far beyond Ashley to just about everyone he meets.
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Post by JoRyMom on Nov 10, 2019 5:08:23 GMT
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Post by betty80 on Nov 12, 2019 13:49:38 GMT
Monique has made threats in the past, but Candiance was aggressive all last season. Without knowing everything that happened, I am lead to believe that Candiance played a role in this and is not completely innocent. I'm tired of Candiace. I like her husband better. |
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Post by Girly18 on Dec 18, 2019 19:16:48 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Aug 3, 2020 12:14:31 GMT
Did anyone else get the feeling last night that Giselle being back together with her ex may be a career move? After rumors that RHOP may not have strong enough ratings to continue, she reunited with him so that if it got cancelled, she'd have a reason to move to Atlanta and join that cast ...
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Post by rockytopchick on Aug 3, 2020 19:40:30 GMT
Did anyone else get the feeling last night that Giselle being back together with her ex may be a career move? After rumors that RHOP may not have strong enough ratings to continue, she reunited with him so that if it got cancelled, she'd have a reason to move to Atlanta and join that cast ... I actually got the feeling that if she gets back together with him, she might leave altogether. I was also thinking the new addition, Wendy, may be there to replace someone who is leaving. They have never had this many on Potomac before I know their ratings are not the best, but I actually enjoy watching these ladies more than Atlanta. |
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Post by acookertv on Aug 3, 2020 19:51:45 GMT
I agree with you. I like this group. I like that so many of them have been around since the beginning - it makes their friendships seem a little more genuine. And while the fights between this crew can get crazy, they do things more than just fight.
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Post by rockytopchick on Aug 3, 2020 20:45:54 GMT
I think the original ones, Gizelle, Robyn, Karen, all actually knew each other and socialized together prior to being on the show. I forgot how Ashley was introduced, but with Monique and Candace, it seemed more organic on other shows.
With the other shows, I think producers are very "this is your new castmate. You have to act like you know her and she has always been in your social circle" With Monique and Candace, I always had the impression that they already were part of their larger social circle. Does that make sense?
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Post by acookertv on Aug 3, 2020 21:00:03 GMT
Yes, it makes sense and I agree with you. Whether they knew each other outside of the show or not, they play it off as if they all matter to each other cameras or not. Some of the other casts seem like they don't even try to pretend - they'll just present things as this new woman came along and my boss said I have to be friendly to her now. To me, Atlanta drips of those manufactured friendships which is why I don't like it much!
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Post by Girly18 on Aug 4, 2020 20:47:49 GMT
You can watch Episode 2 on Bravo app.
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 23, 2020 19:21:25 GMT
I enjoy these ladies,I don't know anything about them( at least they eat) and have nice curvy bodies. Giselle, I think it's her, has the most beautiful eyes..
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Post by annab on Aug 24, 2020 15:44:07 GMT
I completely agree. Even shows like Big Brother, Bachelor/ette, Survivor etc have people playing it up to the camera to get screen time. You KNOW these ladies do. And typically those are the ones that stay on for years... I do believe this to be true. I also think it is a combination of picking people that have the personality to stir things up and then drop in hints/direction by production to them (either directly on on the sly by asking leading questions) and you have the right mix of drama on these shows. |
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 15, 2020 22:14:33 GMT
I don't like Ashley's husband, but baby Dean is so friggin cute.So is Wendy's little daughter
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 24, 2020 21:44:41 GMT
I think Ashley should listen to her mother. They may have had a open marriage until baby Dean came along, but that ship has sailed, Michael just wasn't on it...
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 24, 2020 22:49:06 GMT
I don't think Michael will ever be able to keep his pants on. I feel for Dean and Ashley but I just want her to move on.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 25, 2020 0:16:25 GMT
I don't think Michael will ever be able to keep his pants on. I feel for Dean and Ashley but I just want her to move on. She really should....;-( |
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Sept 25, 2020 1:48:20 GMT
Isn't Ashley pregnant again?
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 25, 2020 2:11:55 GMT
Isn't Ashley pregnant again? I thought she was joking..or not saying one way or another.. |
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