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Post by acookertv on Aug 5, 2021 17:04:51 GMT
Still don't believe a word out of Erica's mouth. Not a word! Never had a bank account. She had paychecks before Tom. Tom is now calling her..with Alzheimers..???? She really is a beyotch, and a cold on. If all else fails cry( a lot) .. she's getting caught in lies, and lawyers are watching Banking has changed quite a bit in the past 20 years.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 5, 2021 17:06:34 GMT
Her acting is so awful! Never a word about getting $25 million of victims’ money, or how she plans to help make it up to the victims. Her little ice queen tirade at Garcelle… whew! So, hmmm… she “confesses” stuff on camera, then bleats that Garcelle outed her. Like, what, she didn’t see the cameras? What a grotesque woman she is. She may have known about the embezzlement for a long time, though possibly not directly participating other than helping hide the money she didn’t have time to spend. I suppose prosecutors already know where the leftovers are hidden. Under all that self-aggrandizing, hubris-filled demeanor, she’s just a cheap trick. I wonder if Erin Brockovich kept contact with Girardi, and what she thinks about all this. I can't with her. She is so full of BS, too. I don't believe ANYTHING that ice queen has to say. It's all for show...the fake ugly crying. She is not a victim. Her reaction to Garcelle...so uncalled for. Hey you...didn't you air it on national TV that he still calls you everyday? Such a dummy. She was talking about the moment. She had asked for them to not share it and didn't realize that Garcelle did not hear her. Yes, it was going to air eight months after she said it. But she was not going to be in an environment with all the women when the hurt was fresh for them to all offer up their opinions.
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Post by amber on Aug 5, 2021 18:20:07 GMT
Erika has now admitted that her fleeing her marriage was a long time in the coming suggesting she had been spending a long time preparing to make the split. Although she says she has only had access to credit cards and pocket cash Tom directly handed her that is a lie. It is expensive to be post-Pasadena-divorcing-Tom-locked-into-bankruptcy-proceedings Erika.
Thus, we also know for certain she is lying about the money she has had access to and she has lied about why she left Tom. Although Tom is being accused of stealing money from clients and creditors, it appears Erika has been stealing from someone. Tom? The firm? Has she been privately socking away money all along? From commission based selling off of assets (clothing, art and other personal property)? Plus, there is the Pasadena home burglary after Erika moved out.
Erika is maybe being paid as much as $500k for this year's Housewives. Maybe. She maybe has earned as much as $100k for endorsements. Maybe. The Erika Jayne performer most certainly continued to be a net loss because her operating expenses are so high.
On the spending side, Erika bought a $100,000 SUV. Doubt it is leased. She is spending $114,000 a year on rent. ($9,500 a month which is what I expect she is paying given last year I also shopped for a 3+ bedroom, 3+ bath in better areas of LA and out towards Pasadena.)
It's being factually purported that Erika has thus far spent $500k in legal retainers or might have been $600K? It might be in one of those videos I posted here. She is also paying her attorneys to represent "witnesses" that have been subpoenaed by Bankruptcy Court Trustees to provide source documents concerning Erika's businesses, accounts, and details of how, when and from where they are being paid.
Erika's first primary attorney fired her and she had to secure representation from a second. That's expensive for she had to pay the second attorney to get up to speed. Also it is important to point out that it is obvious (to me) that she is being advised from elsewhere and not from her primary attorneys because, basically, her first attorney that fired her called her out as a liar cited lack of trust.
In the last episode Erika also now admitted that for some time Tom's firm attorneys were in contact with her. Thus, for some time she knew what was going on as she planned and schemed her exit, probably taking with her what she considered to be her fair community equity share.
Wouldn't it be interesting if we learned that it was Erika stealing money from Tom that led to him running out of money and toppling during this period of time? All he really needed was $2,000,000 to satisfy the Chicago courts. Yes, there were other lawsuits, but those were filed in California courts where he seemed to not be suffering much immediate consequences.
Regardless, it is still clear to me that Erika wants "the stuff" much more than her concern of clients and creditors receiving theirs. I am also of the opinion that her primary beef with Ronald Richards is that she resents the bankruptcy courts liquidating assets and farming out clients to outside attorneys in that she sees "her cut" dwindling in the process.
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Post by stargazer161 on Aug 5, 2021 19:13:40 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 5, 2021 19:15:52 GMT
Never had a bank account. She had paychecks before Tom. Tom is now calling her..with Alzheimers..???? She really is a beyotch, and a cold on. If all else fails cry( a lot) .. she's getting caught in lies, and lawyers are watching Banking has changed quite a bit in the past 20 years. She sat with her mother, and said don't worry about me, I have my own money and my own accounts. Did she lie then , or now ?
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Post by stargazer161 on Aug 5, 2021 19:17:26 GMT
She can't keep up with all the lies she has said in the past..lol.
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 5, 2021 19:18:16 GMT
Exactly. I remember when she went for Eileen , in the same nasty way. Both Garcelle and Sutton, ask the real questions.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 5, 2021 19:35:22 GMT
Banking has changed quite a bit in the past 20 years. She sat with her mother, and said don't worry about me, I have my own money and my own accounts. Did she lie then , or now ? You make a fair point there. That said, it could be true, and she could be exaggerating it for drama. For example, - I know a woman whose had joint accounts with her husband for decades. Both names were on the accounts. She wrote checks and used her debit card. Her husband handled bill paying and complexities of the accounts. Her husband recently died. Now she's having to handle the bill paying, transferring of funds, etc. Her name was on accounts and she did basics, but did not know all the intricacies until now. The same could be true of Erica. She may have had her own accounts where she saved Erica Jayne money but did not manage her total household budget. Now, she's exaggerating the set up by saying she had to learn how to bank when she knows the basics, but has had to do a deeper dive. I'm not saying that it's not possible that she offered up that info to distance herself from Tom's issues and it's not true. I'm simply saying that the tea leaves we have are not enoguh to prosecute
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Post by amber on Aug 5, 2021 19:53:52 GMT
Yes, but Erika also worked at the firm for 10 years. What would she have been qualified to do other than light bookkeeping, filing, and answering the phone?
Once she began her Erika Jayne "career", she ran her own businesses --- into the ground, but she ran them!
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Post by acookertv on Aug 5, 2021 20:07:18 GMT
We're working from the assumption that the law firm was not ethical, right? So the answer to what she did working there should not be limited to ethical possibilities. For all we know Tom billed the firm for hours she spent attending client dinners with him as arm candy.
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Post by Punkin on Aug 6, 2021 1:25:56 GMT
I just rewatched The Hustler and the Housewife, about Tom and Erica. (It's on Hulu now.) Not only is it totally damning against Tom and Erica both, but you get to meet some of his (and I'd say, her) victims. You might find it OnDemand. It's worth the watch!
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Post by stargazer161 on Aug 6, 2021 12:48:35 GMT
I've watched it....felt so angry afterwards.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 6, 2021 13:46:24 GMT
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Post by prism on Aug 7, 2021 15:18:23 GMT
I just rewatched The Hustler and the Housewife, about Tom and Erica. (It's on Hulu now.) Not only is it totally damning against Tom and Erica both, but you get to meet some of his (and I'd say, her) victims. You might find it OnDemand. It's worth the watch! It’s hard to be Ice Queen and Victim at the same time.
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Post by mayamaisha on Aug 12, 2021 3:07:44 GMT
I would like Rhinna to go crawl under a rock and disappear. Can’t stand her!😡
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Post by prism on Aug 12, 2021 19:27:14 GMT
I would like Rhinna to go crawl under a rock and disappear. Can’t stand her!😡. Ohhh…. I thought I was the only one. I dislike her and her public persona. Just as I dislike Ericka Girardi - both her person and her gig.
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Post by amber on Aug 13, 2021 3:03:00 GMT
Me, too. I was a huge Lisa Ronna fan until her time on Housewives. Sadly, it is understandable why QVC canceled her.
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Post by JustJuls on Aug 15, 2021 0:08:46 GMT
I believe this 100%. The whole thing was too strange for it to be real.
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Aug 15, 2021 2:07:59 GMT
Did any of you see Rinna on WWH? Andy had to tell her to stop cursing because they had to bleep out entire sentences.
I wouldn't believe anything Ericka said. Her story changed way too often. Her ties with Ericka run very deep.
Heather McDonald had Ronald Richards on her podcast a few weeks ago. He explained a lot about what is going on with Tom & Ericka. He touched briefly on Rinna & Ericka having the same people to help shill their crap. He mentioned that he isn't bothering to investigate Rinna but he found it odd she & Ericka shared some of the same associates which would explain her staunch defense of Ericka.
I just heard Bravo is handing over unaired behind the scene footage of Ericka.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 15, 2021 11:22:50 GMT
I believe this 100%. The whole thing was too strange for it to be real. I rewatched it after reading that story, and the story lines up. Anytime on this show they don’t show mouths moving there’s reason to be suspect.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 15, 2021 15:29:34 GMT
I have been wayyyy behind in my tv viewing but I am up to the dinner Kyle made at her Palm Springs home and EJ arriving.
Every episode has been EJ putting herself out there.
Why didn't her attorney(s) tell her to take a leave from the show?
Talking INCESSANTLY about Tom and the divorce, the affairs and some car accident he was in cannot possibly be the thing to be doing.
EJ basically has been very private about her life and her life with Tom since she joined RH and now every single episode has been her crying and crying and overcome with emotion and TOM.
Also as I read back here on the thread what is going on with RINNA and Harry? I must have missed any news on them. I had no idea QVC fired her. Wow, that has to be a big loss for Rinna financially.
Has Crystal and Sutton moved on from their drama at the beginning of the season?
You are all mentioning Garcelle and EJ and a "spat", I guess I have not gotten to that episode. But oh my. I watched the video link posted here. Oh my.
As I watch I see all the ladies wrapping themselves around EJ in support. But I wonder how many was getting really confused right about now (in the Palm Springs episode).
Just about to watch the morning after episode where the ladies had a "dance party" after EJ left to go to a hotel. I wonder why she did not stay at Kyle's.
I am really liking the addition of Kathy and Crystal to the show!!!
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Post by acookertv on Aug 15, 2021 17:26:25 GMT
The show is Erikas income. Had she taken a leave, she’d be losing Toms support and her own all at once. With COVID she can’t do EJ shows. So had attorneys advised her not to do the show, they’d be advising her to have no income and not be able to pay them. Remember too, the accusations of foul play with money were coming out as the show was filmed. Erica has always been very disciplined on what she says and does not say, so I don’t think making herself jib,Ed’s was necessary.
All the women did not stay at Kykes house, I don’t know if that was by choice or a matter of space. But crystal and Garcelle also stayed at a hotel.
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Aug 16, 2021 1:11:42 GMT
The EJ shows lose money. That's why Tom was funding her LLC. Her hair, makeup, costume & travel expenses cost way more than she brings in per show. Keep in mind she was not preforming in large venues plus she was never the closing act. In simple terms, she's not Stevie Nicks. She has always said it was expensive to be her.
I also read where some internet sleuths googles photos of Tom's home, there isn't a cliff he could have possibly gone over behind their house. He would have crashed into a neighbor's yard but not down a cliff.
I don't care enough to check this out myself. This show lost me when they ganged up on LVP.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 16, 2021 15:07:55 GMT
The show is Erikas income. Had she taken a leave, she’d be losing Toms support and her own all at once. With COVID she can’t do EJ shows. So had attorneys advised her not to do the show, they’d be advising her to have no income and not be able to pay them. Remember too, the accusations of foul play with money were coming out as the show was filmed. Erica has always been very disciplined on what she says and does not say, so I don’t think making herself jib,Ed’s was necessary. All the women did not stay at Kykes house, I don’t know if that was by choice or a matter of space. But crystal and Garcelle also stayed at a hotel. Thanks!!! I did not even stop to think about her financial situation. I can see how this has to be so overwhelming for EJ. To have her whole world turned upside down. acookertv I am not sure what the bolded part means? I am all caught up. Boy that blow up with Garcelle and EJ was sad to say the least. I am curious as to why Crystal did not jump into the middle of the situation and exclaim that Garcelle was NOT present when EJ said not to tell anyone of their discussions while hiking. Crystal just sat there and allowed Garcelle to be berated by EJ and EJ proceeded to call Garcelle's actions "dirty" when Crystal could have quickly interjected that Garcelle never heard EJ ask that the conversation not be repeated. But then Crystal says it afterwards. And Rinna. Gawd. She can be so annoying. I heard Kyle mention that as long as she has been familiar with Tom he is one of the wealthiest attorneys..........well maybe because he has been misappropriating many many clients money. Starting wayyyy back with Lion Air.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 16, 2021 15:45:17 GMT
That bolded part was a typo created by auto correct on my iPad! I THINK what i meant to say was that I didn't think making herself jobless was necessary.
With regards to Crystal speaking up during the dispute between Erica and Garcelle - I think that was due to reality vs producer manipulation. According to the Page Six report, Garcelle was not present when Erica revealed that info - it was a private conversation between Erica and Crystal without cameras around, but they were on camera. Then producers asked Crystal to bring it up in conversation, she didn't want to, so they asked Garcelle to do it. So I'd venture to guess that Crystal was confused as to why it was being brought up, wasn't sure how much she could say to not break the fourth wall. In addition to that, there are times when infusing rational thought into a highly charged conflict can make things worse - so that could have played in.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 16, 2021 16:02:33 GMT
That bolded part was a typo created by auto correct on my iPad! I THINK what i meant to say was that I didn't think making herself jobless was necessary. With regards to Crystal speaking up during the dispute between Erica and Garcelle - I think that was due to reality vs producer manipulation. According to the Page Six report, Garcelle was not present when Erica revealed that info - it was a private conversation between Erica and Crystal without cameras around, but they were on camera. Then producers asked Crystal to bring it up in conversation, she didn't want to, so they asked Garcelle to do it. So I'd venture to guess that Crystal was confused as to why it was being brought up, wasn't sure how much she could say to not break the fourth wall. In addition to that, there are times when infusing rational thought into a highly charged conflict can make things worse - so that could have played in. Oh so the Bravo producers stepped in to cause drama. Unbelievable. EJ already going through so much and all the ladies are basically wrapping their arms around her and then the producers have to step in to cause issues between the ladies. Eeeek.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 16, 2021 16:33:33 GMT
Yes, the details are in the Page Six report I posted Aug 6 up above. Erica was sloppy enough to make comments to Crystal when they were not filming but were still mic'd. In the rules of production, that's fair game, so producers figured out a way to get it into the show.
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Post by JustJuls on Aug 16, 2021 17:59:07 GMT
It's not the first time they have done that either.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 19, 2021 2:19:08 GMT
Tonight’s episode was a fascinating study of rich people friendships. Or perhaps I should say that “friendships”. I’m going to leave Erica out of this because we have discussed her in depth and there’s a lot we don’t know. She’s certainly shown she has the discipline to do what she needs to do.
Sutton is fooling herself. She clearly called the women together to get everyone on her side against Erica. It didn’t work, and the. She pretended they all turned in her. No they didn’t - they weee never there to turn. Truly if she’s worried about her reputation she should leave the show - not push others out to protect herself.
Dorit has always shown she’s nothing but image and boy did she confirm it. She says she consulted a lawyer because she talked to her husband!
Kyle showed what kind of friend she is - silent. She didn’t turn on Erica, but she certainly is not willing to take the risk standing up for her.
Is a and Garcelle showed the truth of the BH power dynamic - if you’re in the important circles because of fame, you don’t need to worry about your reputation as much. They’re more motivated by protecting the show.
Teddy was outstanding and I’m so glad she was there. She’s the only,y one who was honest and genuine.
And god bless Kathy Hilton for knowing how to calm a situation with humor!
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Aug 19, 2021 3:00:50 GMT
Teddy??????
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