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Post by acookertv on Sept 8, 2021 13:54:13 GMT
I agree! She knows that she has to say she doesn't approve because of the public perception of Scott. But at the same time I think she's THRILLED that she's got a daughter who is fodder for gossip columns. In her mind, it puts her right there with the Jenner and Hadid girls and Lisa is loving it.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 1:56:18 GMT
I got the feeling tonight that since her divorce, Sutton has found “happiness” by surrounding herself with yes people she can look down on and impress with her money. She doesn’t seem capable of handling someone giving her a response she doesn’t want. Did she truly believe she’d tell Erica she didn’t believe her and Erica would beg for acceptance? I disagree with Kyle talking about Erica losing her temper. The scary thing about Erica is that when she gets angry she gets very controlled and vindictive instead of losing her temper. We’ve seen it before and Sutton was a fool if she genuinely didn’t think that’s what she was going to get.
And I feel sort of sorry for Dorit for how little PK seems to think of her or any woman. But she cashed in and was willing to accept that kind of dismissal.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 9, 2021 6:53:08 GMT
Erika is intense. 100%. But I'm not sure what Sutton thought was going to happen. Were they going to share a piece of pie after that? Like Erika said....if you are going to give it...you have to be able to sit there and take the backlash. You can't call someone a liar and expect them to be like "I'm ok with you calling me that, thank you." Sutton just seems so scared and fragile, especially in her conversation with Kyle. She does a lot of boasting when Erika isn't there and then is surprised when Erika fights back. Come on. What was up with Rinna claiming she was too drunk to remember the dinner? The conversation between her and Garcelle was so fake and obviously only for the camera's sake. I need Kathy's butler to have a permanent role on the show The preview for next week was interesting when PK said "I'm suggesting that she's been in a controlling relationship for 20 years and she's still being controlled" - I find that very plausible.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 10:54:16 GMT
I think Kathy's butler reacting to the dinner was the closest thing we'll ever get to the animated scenes from The Prince where the Housewives go to dinner at Buckingham Palace! I agree - he should be a permanent commentator sort of like Jorge was the bartender on Bachelor in Paradise!
Agree with you on the premise of Rinna being so drunk she didn't remember anything. Yes, she had too much to drink. But she wasn't THAT drunk.
I also have to say, I'm really liking Crystal and her cut to the chase honesty. She doesn't say a lot, but when she speaks up it's worth listening to. I had to laugh when she was talking about how she doesn't like fakey fake friendly and Kyle said she didn't either ... right after she lamented that it's so uncomfortable when Sutton and Erica can't be fake nice to her. Kyle is a little too much of a follower to be the queen bee she wishes she was.
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Post by amber on Sept 9, 2021 14:51:21 GMT
Erika is intense. 100%. But I'm not sure what Sutton thought was going to happen. Were they going to share a piece of pie after that? Like Erika said....if you are going to give it...you have to be able to sit there and take the backlash. You can't call someone a liar and expect them to be like "I'm ok with you calling me that, thank you." Sutton just seems so scared and fragile, especially in her conversation with Kyle. She does a lot of boasting when Erika isn't there and then is surprised when Erika fights back. Come on. What was up with Rinna claiming she was too drunk to remember the dinner? The conversation between her and Garcelle was so fake and obviously only for the camera's sake.
I need Kathy's butler to have a permanent role on the show The preview for next week was interesting when PK said "I'm suggesting that she's been in a controlling relationship for 20 years and she's still being controlled" - I find that very plausible. Because Rinna knows Erika is working with Tom behind the scenes and knows Erika is a liar.
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Post by amber on Sept 9, 2021 15:12:41 GMT
Interesting that the two shady RHOBH's husbands are calling Erika's reprehensible narcissist behavior out.
I never thought it possible that anyone could be more culpable on BH than Brandy Glanville, but Erika's stripper pole behavior pops out, as if on cue, and there it is!
I can hardly wait for the reunion!
This is not Erika's last season. I'm pretty sure Bravo will squeeze another quickly filmed season 12 out, featuring Erika as the villain, but then she's done. Otherwise, she'll taint the show with her version of skanky scum and we'll lose another Housewives franchise.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 9, 2021 15:14:08 GMT
This Erika Jane show, is tedious. PK was absolutely right,and on point, about everything he said about EJ. The first photo was gross, absolutely gross..her brand is damaged, and she knows it.. I'd of walked out, just as Sutton did. Kyle pushing her to say more wasn't necessary. Krystal is becoming the new Teddi in my eyes. Kyle can do many things to her face, but trying on that ring, her hands are old, and stubby... Kathy couldn't make it to Garcelle's, I think she didn't want another sh**show meal.. Next week, Tom rolls his car hurts his eye , and Erika's son gets involved.. come on. How could he sue, I thought he had alzheimers? God it was all pretty pitiful. Housewives of salt lake are on soon, looking forward to it, except for Jen getting arrested..
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 9, 2021 15:18:07 GMT
Erika is intense. 100%. But I'm not sure what Sutton thought was going to happen. Were they going to share a piece of pie after that? Like Erika said....if you are going to give it...you have to be able to sit there and take the backlash. You can't call someone a liar and expect them to be like "I'm ok with you calling me that, thank you." Sutton just seems so scared and fragile, especially in her conversation with Kyle. She does a lot of boasting when Erika isn't there and then is surprised when Erika fights back. Come on. What was up with Rinna claiming she was too drunk to remember the dinner? The conversation between her and Garcelle was so fake and obviously only for the camera's sake.
I need Kathy's butler to have a permanent role on the show The preview for next week was interesting when PK said "I'm suggesting that she's been in a controlling relationship for 20 years and she's still being controlled" - I find that very plausible. Because Rinna knows Erika is working with Tom behind the scenes and knows Erika is a liar. The ease in which Rinna lies, makes me question everything about her..she needs to be off that show, she's not funny or fun. Eating at Garcelle's beautiful meal, she made it looked like it was garbage from the bin, not fish. Stupid woman.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 15:20:15 GMT
I'm sorry, I found PK's comments to be incredibly demeaning and misogynistic. First, I really don't like it when they film scenes of him and Dorit talking about whatever is going on, because he talks down to her in such an ugly way. Conversations between them are not on equal footing. PK does what he wants to do, talks when he wants to talk and expects Dorit to look at him doe-eyed being fascinated by his brilliant takes. Marriages like that make my skin crawl. Beyond that, Erica's social media is her livelihood right now, and the persona she's built for herself is as a very sexy woman. If she gives that up right now, she has no livelihood. Then what? I'm sorry, PK is an ass. There's no one he can badmouth that will make me overlook that.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 9, 2021 15:29:46 GMT
There's sexy and then there's slutty. Pk was also right when he said a few seasons back, Erika is inherently cold. She is.I have a pov, just like you ac, I didn't post my thoughts to change your mind.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 9, 2021 15:48:41 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 15:55:07 GMT
And i didn't post my thoughts to change yours FM. We're doing the same thing here.
Erica is cold. I don't think even Erica would fight that. Observing that does not save PK from coming across like a condescending misogynist. Is there anyone who truly thinks that there are times he listens to Dorit and is truly challenged or mentally stimulated by considering her point of view?
Back to Erica's coldness, it can make her very intimidating, as Sutton learned the hard way. But it is who she is. There are plenty of cold people who make great reality TV. I'd argue LVP was another one who did that. Truly, I think one of the key ingredients of great reality TV is mixing cold people and warm people and letting them mix.
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Post by amber on Sept 9, 2021 16:01:18 GMT
Because Rinna knows Erika is working with Tom behind the scenes and knows Erika is a liar. The ease in which Rinna lies, makes me question everything about her..she needs to be off that show, she's not funny or fun. Eating at Garcelle's beautiful meal, she made it looked like it was garbage from the bin, not fish. Stupid woman. I think it is about this time during filming that Rinna had to have been in discussions with QVC (due to her Q score plummeting) and just prior to QVC canning her, forcing Rinna to mortgage her home to the hilt to launch distribution of her now failed Rinna Beauty. My heart bleeds.
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Post by amber on Sept 9, 2021 16:12:07 GMT
I'm sorry, I found PK's comments to be incredibly demeaning and misogynistic. First, I really don't like it when they film scenes of him and Dorit talking about whatever is going on, because he talks down to her in such an ugly way. Conversations between them are not on equal footing. PK does what he wants to do, talks when he wants to talk and expects Dorit to look at him doe-eyed being fascinated by his brilliant takes. Marriages like that make my skin crawl. Beyond that, Erica's social media is her livelihood right now, and the persona she's built for herself is as a very sexy woman. If she gives that up right now, she has no livelihood. Then what? I'm sorry, PK is an ass. There's no one he can badmouth that will make me overlook that. I am no fan of PK because of the scams he runs due to his bankruptcy and gambling issues, but by no means should it be considered misogynistic when he is clearly calling Erika out for her being her skanky, narcissistic self when thumbing her nose when she has and continues to live off the backs of victims' and their settlement moneys. It's much more of a takes one to know one and has nothing to do with Erika being a woman, or how a man should treat a woman that PK is identifying with.
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Post by amber on Sept 9, 2021 16:36:37 GMT
Also, also in the preview, we got a glimpse of Maurcico weighing in with his thoughts of Erika's BS stories and obnoxious behaviors.
Another instance of a pot calling an even more disgusting, revolting kettle black! Ha!
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 16:37:10 GMT
No Amber, I think you misunderstand. I'm not calling PK misogynistic just for calling out Erica. I'm calling him misogynistic for the ways he talks down to and disrespects his wife, the ways he does not listen to his wife or respect her thoughts and opinions, and the ways he wants to put women in a box expecting them to behave in what he deems as acceptable behavior, and if they dare to be more outspoken or more sexual than he believes is appropriate, he must speak up to stop them. Simply put, I call PK a misogynist because he looks down on and disrespects women, expecting them to stay in their place.
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Post by amber on Sept 9, 2021 16:56:49 GMT
No Amber, I think you misunderstand. I'm not calling PK misogynistic just for calling out Erica. I'm calling him misogynistic for the ways he talks down to and disrespects his wife, the ways he does not listen to his wife or respect her thoughts and opinions, and the ways he wants to put women in a box expecting them to behave in what he deems as acceptable behavior, and if they dare to be more outspoken or more sexual than he believes is appropriate, he must speak up to stop them. Simply put, I call PK a misogynist because he looks down on and disrespects women, expecting them to stay in their place. Absolutely no way is PKs behavior misogynistic for helping validate and clarifying Dorit's thoughts.
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Post by stargazer161 on Sept 9, 2021 17:24:28 GMT
Erika in the latest episode was downright evil to Sutton. I am no Sutton fan but what she did to her was uncalled for. She's trash. Evil ice queen. And I can't believe I agree with PK in regards to Erika. Lisa is such a flip flopper when it comes to her ''friends''. She saying she was drunk that night....nope, not believing it. She's a bad actress, for sure.
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Post by amber on Sept 9, 2021 17:30:27 GMT
And then there is the RHOBH After Show, titled, "Sutton Reveals Erika Whispered Something to Her That No One Else Heard" S11E16.
Wow. Sixteen episodes and the cast is filming the Reunion tomorrow September 10, so that means 20 episodes before the reunion?
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Post by stargazer161 on Sept 9, 2021 17:46:06 GMT
Okay, so I'm at work..and that video is 17 minutes long, lol. What did Erika whisper to Sutton? I wanna know dang it, haha!
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 17:47:01 GMT
Erika in the latest episode was downright evil to Sutton. I am no Sutton fan but what she did to her was uncalled for. She's trash. Evil ice queen. And I can't believe I agree with PK in regards to Erika. Lisa is such a flip flopper when it comes to her ''friends''. She saying she was drunk that night....nope, not believing it. She's a bad actress, for sure. What is the appropriate thing for Erica to do then? Both in regards to Sutton and in regards to her social media livelihood? With Sutton, it seems like everyone is in agreement that when Erica feels cornered she gets icy and tough as nails. I take issue with calling anyone trash, and don't put her behavior in that category. But that aside, will certainly agree I would NOT want to cross Erica. That being said, as soon as Garcelle and Kathy spoke up to calm her down and back off, she did take a deep breath and backed away. But truly - being in the situation she is in, with the knowledge that Sutton has stated her desire is for the women to stop spending time with Erica which in this case would leave her out of a job, what is the appropriate response? Walk away, head hung in shame and embrace being homeless? Declare that Sutton is absolutely right, she's lying through her teeth and is going to provide all the video testimony without attorneys that prosecutors will need? What if she's actually not lying? Was Sutton really showing signs of being open to accepting that and moving on? If what Erica did was so horrible and wrong, I truly want to know how she should have responded instead. And as far as her social media goes - as Kyle said, she gets paid by a lingerie company to post provocative photos and promote their products. She built a brand with that "character" and is expected to deliver on it. She's not some teenager begging for attention posting sexy pictures - it's actually a job. Facing what she's facing and figuring out how to be financially independent, is it really wise for her to just walk away from every paying job she has?
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 9, 2021 17:57:58 GMT
Okay, so I'm at work..and that video is 17 minutes long, lol. What did Erika whisper to Sutton? I wanna know dang it, haha! She wouldn't repeat it. She was surprised she said something like that..
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 9, 2021 17:59:37 GMT
And then there is the RHOBH After Show, titled, "Sutton Reveals Erika Whispered Something to Her That No One Else Heard" S11E16. Wow. Sixteen episodes and the cast is filming the Reunion tomorrow September 10, so that means 20 episodes before the reunion? Seeing Garcelle and Sutton, makes me smile( grin) same with Kathy.
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Post by stargazer161 on Sept 9, 2021 18:10:02 GMT
Erika in the latest episode was downright evil to Sutton. I am no Sutton fan but what she did to her was uncalled for. She's trash. Evil ice queen. And I can't believe I agree with PK in regards to Erika. Lisa is such a flip flopper when it comes to her ''friends''. She saying she was drunk that night....nope, not believing it. She's a bad actress, for sure. What is the appropriate thing for Erica to do then? Both in regards to Sutton and in regards to her social media livelihood? With Sutton, it seems like everyone is in agreement that when Erica feels cornered she gets icy and tough as nails. I take issue with calling anyone trash, and don't put her behavior in that category. But that aside, will certainly agree I would NOT want to cross Erica. That being said, as soon as Garcelle and Kathy spoke up to calm her down and back off, she did take a deep breath and backed away. But truly - being in the situation she is in, with the knowledge that Sutton has stated her desire is for the women to stop spending time with Erica which in this case would leave her out of a job, what is the appropriate response? Walk away, head hung in shame and embrace being homeless? Declare that Sutton is absolutely right, she's lying through her teeth and is going to provide all the video testimony without attorneys that prosecutors will need? What if she's actually not lying? Was Sutton really showing signs of being open to accepting that and moving on? If what Erica did was so horrible and wrong, I truly want to know how she should have responded instead. And as far as her social media goes - as Kyle said, she gets paid by a lingerie company to post provocative photos and promote their products. She built a brand with that "character" and is expected to deliver on it. She's not some teenager begging for attention posting sexy pictures - it's actually a job. Facing what she's facing and figuring out how to be financially independent, is it really wise for her to just walk away from every paying job she has? Erika's behavior was atrocious, period..and at a dinner table. Sutton has a right to voice her opinions and how Erika responded was very telling, IMO. She's trash..and I stand by my opinion.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 18:26:56 GMT
What is the appropriate thing for Erica to do then? Both in regards to Sutton and in regards to her social media livelihood? With Sutton, it seems like everyone is in agreement that when Erica feels cornered she gets icy and tough as nails. I take issue with calling anyone trash, and don't put her behavior in that category. But that aside, will certainly agree I would NOT want to cross Erica. That being said, as soon as Garcelle and Kathy spoke up to calm her down and back off, she did take a deep breath and backed away. But truly - being in the situation she is in, with the knowledge that Sutton has stated her desire is for the women to stop spending time with Erica which in this case would leave her out of a job, what is the appropriate response? Walk away, head hung in shame and embrace being homeless? Declare that Sutton is absolutely right, she's lying through her teeth and is going to provide all the video testimony without attorneys that prosecutors will need? What if she's actually not lying? Was Sutton really showing signs of being open to accepting that and moving on? If what Erica did was so horrible and wrong, I truly want to know how she should have responded instead. And as far as her social media goes - as Kyle said, she gets paid by a lingerie company to post provocative photos and promote their products. She built a brand with that "character" and is expected to deliver on it. She's not some teenager begging for attention posting sexy pictures - it's actually a job. Facing what she's facing and figuring out how to be financially independent, is it really wise for her to just walk away from every paying job she has? Erika's behavior was atrocious, period..and at a dinner table. Sutton has a right to voice her opinions and how Erika responded was very telling, IMO. She's trash..and I stand by my opinion. I don't have an issue with you standing behind your opinion and I"m not asking you to change it. What I'm asking is what you think she should do instead.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 9, 2021 18:47:40 GMT
There's sexy and then there's slutty. Pk was also right when he said a few seasons back, Erika is inherently cold. She is.I have a pov, just like you ac, I didn't post my thoughts to change your mind. No one has asked you to not have a point of view, FannyMare. Everyone is entitled to that. But these are the kind of comments I'm talking about. We're all grown here. I am the one moderator at FORT who moderates these threads and I'm tired of listening to "it's my point of view" - "I know...this is my point of view" over and over and over and over again. If anyone feels like discussing their dislike for Erika at length - then perhaps one should PM a like minded fellow FORTer. That's what I do. Please everyone, be kind.
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Post by prism on Sept 9, 2021 18:54:49 GMT
Diabolical that the emotionally weakest of the group, Sutton, is the one who has guts to tell Ericka what she thinks. While others criticize her, then shrink and prevaricate, terrified of the ice queen. Ericka actually may be innocent while continuing to act like a vengeful small-time gangster; let the court decide.... but it looks to me like all the HWs think she's a dirty dealer... just not saying so.
Sutton doesn't have confidence; nor is she quick-witted enough to put the thug in her place. So Sutton cowered and ran from the rage-filled menace. All Ericka knows how to do is ratchet up her thug style another notch "coming after you" & something like "you should be afraid of me"- again gnashing her teeth and snarling. Sheehsh. What does Ericka want people to think - ? - that she has the full force of Mafia protection or something?
Rinna's pre-planned drunk lie - she started right out flaunting her drinks, holding her glasses high - then playing the rube with the bell, hiding behind alcohol.
Are we to believe Ericka is unable to get a job other than being a sex worker? She could do as millions of other single women do - go get a respectable job, live in a modest home, live a civil and respectable life. You know, like just about everyone posting here... pretty sure many of us don't require several million $$$$$ a year just to survive. Wasn't she a restaurant worker when she grabbed the golden ring?
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 9, 2021 19:17:18 GMT
There's sexy and then there's slutty. Pk was also right when he said a few seasons back, Erika is inherently cold. She is.I have a pov, just like you ac, I didn't post my thoughts to change your mind. No one has asked you to not have a point of view, FannyMare. Everyone is entitled to that. But these are the kind of comments I'm talking about. We're all grown here. I am the one moderator at FORT who moderates these threads and I'm tired of listening to "it's my point of view" - "I know...this is my point of view" over and over and over and over again. If anyone feels like discussing their dislike for Erika at length - then perhaps one should PM a like minded fellow FORTer. That's what I do. Please everyone, be kind. How is what I posted, any different to this? Except you've never liked me, and if I go against Erika, I'm in the wrong. Good to know. I knew when you quoted me, it was to say I was wrong.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 19:20:34 GMT
Diabolical that the emotionally weakest of the group, Sutton, is the one who has guts to tell Ericka what she thinks. While others criticize her, then shrink and prevaricate, terrified of the ice queen. Ericka actually may be innocent while continuing to act like a vengeful small-time gangster; let the court decide.... but it looks to me like all the HWs think she's a dirty dealer... just not saying so. Sutton doesn't have confidence; nor is she quick-witted enough to put the thug in her place. So Sutton cowered and ran from the rage-filled menace. All Ericka knows how to do is ratchet up her thug style another notch "coming after you" & something like "you should be afraid of me"- again gnashing her teeth and snarling. Sheehsh. What does Ericka want people to think - ? - that she has the full force of Mafia protection or something? Rinna's pre-planned drunk lie - she started right out flaunting her drinks, holding her glasses high - then playing the rube with the bell, hiding behind alcohol. Are we to believe Ericka is unable to get a job other than being a sex worker? She could do as millions of other single women do - go get a respectable job, live in a modest home, live a civil and respectable life. You know, like just about everyone posting here... pretty sure many of us don't require several million $$$$$ a year just to survive. Wasn't she a restaurant worker when she grabbed the golden ring? Yes, Erica can get a job other than a sex worker. I'm aware of four jobs she's had in the past year that were not being a sex worker. I don't think that Sutton's reaction can be blamed entirely on Erica's behavior. After all, she ran from Kyle too, and Kyle was not nearly using the same tone that Erica did. I think that Sutton is VERY averse to confrontation, which is a very normal personality trait that many people have. I just think it would be better if she didn't go after confrontation. My best friend is massively averse to confrontation. She avoids expressing A LOT of opinions in order to avoid it. The problem with Sutton as I see it is that she wants to express her views and feel no consequences. I don't think she's got realistic expectations. I'm also confused by the complaint that others will not tell Erica what they think. I'm not certain that all of them see things like Sutton does. I don't recall Sutton ever pausing at their meeting to find out what everyone thought - I think she more just plowed ahead assuming they were on the same page. I think that Kyle is avoiding forming an opinion because she does not want to believe Erica is guilty. But as I said last week I think she's built an off ramp in case she finds out she's wrong. I think Lisa will not believe Erica is guilty unless Erica tells her she is. I think that Kathy thinks based on what they know now Erica has plausible deniability. I think Dorit is so wrapped up in being liked and being with the in crowd that she hasn't given thought to what she believes. And I think Garcelle knows that in BH there are situations where a woman does not know anything in a situation like this and others where the woman knows everything and figures it could go either way. Honestly, I think none of the other women are speaking up to support Sutton's point of view because they are not all with her. To me, she looks kind of like a person saying they can't believe that everyone isn't speaking up to support a religious or political view she has, without bothering to find out whether or not people agree with her.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 19:21:24 GMT
No one has asked you to not have a point of view, FannyMare. Everyone is entitled to that. But these are the kind of comments I'm talking about. We're all grown here. I am the one moderator at FORT who moderates these threads and I'm tired of listening to "it's my point of view" - "I know...this is my point of view" over and over and over and over again. If anyone feels like discussing their dislike for Erika at length - then perhaps one should PM a like minded fellow FORTer. That's what I do. Please everyone, be kind. How is what I posted, any different to this? Except you've never liked me, and if I go against Erika, I'm in the wrong. Good to know. I knew when you quoted me, it was to say I was wrong. I got called out for that one. So they're not different. That's exactly why when I was tempted to make a similar remark today, I stopped my fingers.
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