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Post by amber on Sept 25, 2021 17:28:07 GMT
I saw the video. Tom was leaving a restaurant with two men after their two hour lunch. Seriously, two hours. Call me a skeptic, but I just don't buy the dementia. Erika is still having botox and fillers treatments. I find it interesting that Tom has stopped. I don't either amber . My mother is retired now but she was a (RN) nurse her whole life and at one point she worked for the "Visiting Nurses". One of her clients had her Senior Dad living with her and the client would call the Visiting Nurses Association to have a nurse watch her Dad when she needed to do errands or had appointments herself. My Mom would tell you that her Dad never sat still. He was extremely restless and paced allot. IMHO if Tom was able to sit in a restaurant setting for 2 hours .... naaa. I don't buy dementia either. Absolutely and that's the thing. I say this from my own personal experience, too. Is it possible for Tom to be diagnosed with some sort of dementia? Yep. If he has dementia, is it Alzheimer's? Maybe, maybe not. That's how this works. Is it possible that he gave a speech in October 2020 and a month or two later he is so demented that he can't remember a thing about the stolen money funding his and Erika's over the top lifestyle? No ... that's all BS. I think Erika feels she had a job to do and she did it. She told a cockamamie story and doxed a judge to justify why she suddenly left Tom. She continues to tell "alleged" stories of dementia to help Tom avert prosecution and prison time. Meanwhile, she has all the stuff purchased with stolen money and additional hundreds of thousands of dollars coming from somewhere and, IMO, dropping rumors to suggest her rent, $100,000 car, glam, personal assistant and enormous legal bills are paid by another man instead of having access to stolen money socked away somewhere not yet discovered by the Federal Trustees. Erika may not be guilty of conspiring to steal money from widows and orphans, but she is certainly guilty of fabricating justifications of why she or Tom shouldn't be held liable or paying any of it back.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 25, 2021 18:24:55 GMT
I saw the video. Tom was leaving a restaurant with two men after their two hour lunch. Seriously, two hours. Call me a skeptic, but I just don't buy the dementia. Erika is still having botox and fillers treatments. I find it interesting that Tom has stopped. I don't either amber . My mother is retired now but she was a (RN) nurse her whole life and at one point she worked for the "Visiting Nurses". One of her clients had her Senior Dad living with her and the client would call the Visiting Nurses Association to have a nurse watch her Dad when she needed to do errands or had appointments herself. My Mom would tell you that her Dad never sat still. He was extremely restless and paced allot. IMHO if Tom was able to sit in a restaurant setting for 2 hours .... naaa. I don't buy dementia either. As a teenager I volunteered in a nursing home. I didn’t spend a lot of time with memory care patients but had enough experience to know we had wanderers ans others who’d sit in a room for hours. So clearly there’s more than one way the disease impacts people and it’s quite difficult to render a diagnosis from tabloid reports.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 25, 2021 18:25:01 GMT
I don't either amber . My mother is retired now but she was a (RN) nurse her whole life and at one point she worked for the "Visiting Nurses". One of her clients had her Senior Dad living with her and the client would call the Visiting Nurses Association to have a nurse watch her Dad when she needed to do errands or had appointments herself. My Mom would tell you that her Dad never sat still. He was extremely restless and paced allot. IMHO if Tom was able to sit in a restaurant setting for 2 hours .... naaa. I don't buy dementia either. Absolutely and that's the thing. I say this from my own personal experience, too. Is it possible for Tom to be diagnosed with some sort of dementia? Yep. If he has dementia, is it Alzheimer's? Maybe, maybe not. That's how this works. Is it possible that he gave a speech in October 2020 and a month or two later he is so demented that he can't remember a thing about the stolen money funding his and Erika's over the top lifestyle? No ... that's all BS. I think Erika feels she had a job to do and she did it. She told a cockamamie story and doxed a judge to justify why she suddenly left Tom. She continues to tell "alleged" stories of dementia to help Tom avert prosecution and prison time. Meanwhile, she has all the stuff purchased with stolen money and additional hundreds of thousands of dollars coming from somewhere and, IMO, dropping rumors to suggest her rent, $100,000 car, glam, personal assistant and enormous legal bills are paid by another man instead of having access to stolen money socked away somewhere not yet discovered by the Federal Trustees. Erika may not be guilty of conspiring to steal money from widows and orphans, but she is certainly guilty of fabricating justifications of why she or Tom shouldn't be held liable or paying any of it back. EXACTLY amber (ITA with the bolded sentence 100%) And I also agree there are different stages of Dementia and Alzheimers.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 25, 2021 20:05:59 GMT
My half sisters mom has dementia and is still living a pretty productive life....she has care and someone with her but she goes out to eat, shops, etc. My husbands grandpa & grandma both had it as well...in the beginning they were fine to do all sorts of things and by the end they couldn't care for themselves at all. So there are definitely stages to the disease. It's a horrible one. I have no idea if Tom has it or not...but I don't think we can figure that out quite yet just because he went to lunch I can't be the judge and jury on this entire case as I don't have all the facts.
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Post by amber on Sept 25, 2021 20:50:29 GMT
We have facts. We have plenty of facts.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 25, 2021 22:49:29 GMT
I don't If I were on a jury with the facts we (as in FORT members) have on Erika...there is no way I could convict her of a crime.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 26, 2021 1:38:34 GMT
I don't If I were on a jury with the facts we (as in FORT members) have on Erika...there is no way I could convict her of a crime. How about accessory? What if someone were to come up with info dating back years that stated EJ knew that her Glam Squad and Clothing and Jewels all came from Tom's mishandling of funds?
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Sept 26, 2021 1:58:28 GMT
I saw the video. Tom was leaving a restaurant with two men after their two hour lunch. Seriously, two hours. Call me a skeptic, but I just don't buy the dementia. Erika is still having botox and fillers treatments. I find it interesting that Tom has stopped. I don't either amber . My mother is retired now but she was a (RN) nurse her whole life and at one point she worked for the "Visiting Nurses". One of her clients had her Senior Dad living with her and the client would call the Visiting Nurses Association to have a nurse watch her Dad when she needed to do errands or had appointments herself. My Mom would tell you that her Dad never sat still. He was extremely restless and paced allot. IMHO if Tom was able to sit in a restaurant setting for 2 hours .... naaa. I don't buy dementia either. My mom had dementia. She would walk endlessly, with her walker, around her kitchen/dining room to the point where she wore the finish off of her hardwood floors. The thing I never noticed with Tom, recent photos included, is the far away/lost look my mom constantly had. It was like she really wasn't sure who I was even though I spent 8+ hours a day with her. We had the same exact conversation each & every hour I was with her until she fell asleep for the evening, practically word for word. Tom smiling outside that assisted living facility, my mom would have a look of pure terror on her face. The same look she had when she would go to my sister's home on Sunday. My sister lived in her home for over 45 years which my mom spent almost every Sunday there. It was like she never saw it before. It got to the point where it was too painful to watch her be so frightened that we had to end those visits.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 26, 2021 3:06:47 GMT
I don't If I were on a jury with the facts we (as in FORT members) have on Erika...there is no way I could convict her of a crime. How about accessory? What if someone were to come up with info dating back years that stated EJ knew that her Glam Squad and Clothing and Jewels all came from Tom's mishandling of funds? Of course. I just don't think WE know enough at present time to convict her.... not in a court of law at least.
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Post by amber on Sept 26, 2021 5:34:33 GMT
I agree there isn't anything to can hang a hat on in terms of prosecuting Erika criminally --- and doubt there will be. However, civil action is entirely a different story in addition to knowing plenty enough to judge Erika as a despicable human being.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 26, 2021 5:37:27 GMT
I don't either amber . My mother is retired now but she was a (RN) nurse her whole life and at one point she worked for the "Visiting Nurses". One of her clients had her Senior Dad living with her and the client would call the Visiting Nurses Association to have a nurse watch her Dad when she needed to do errands or had appointments herself. My Mom would tell you that her Dad never sat still. He was extremely restless and paced allot. IMHO if Tom was able to sit in a restaurant setting for 2 hours .... naaa. I don't buy dementia either. My mom had dementia. She would walk endlessly, with her walker, around her kitchen/dining room to the point where she wore the finish off of her hardwood floors. The thing I never noticed with Tom, recent photos included, is the far away/lost look my mom constantly had. It was like she really wasn't sure who I was even though I spent 8+ hours a day with her. We had the same exact conversation each & every hour I was with her until she fell asleep for the evening, practically word for word. Tom smiling outside that assisted living facility, my mom would have a look of pure terror on her face. The same look she had when she would go to my sister's home on Sunday. My sister lived in her home for over 45 years which my mom spent almost every Sunday there. It was like she never saw it before. It got to the point where it was too painful to watch her be so frightened that we had to end those visits. Hugs to you.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 26, 2021 16:02:03 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 27, 2021 22:22:51 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 28, 2021 0:12:43 GMT
Erika stopped speaking to kcyle , after seeing the show back. I'm not sure about Dorit, I think she stopped speaking to her as well.She even tweeted, Kyles next ..!!!
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Post by acookertv on Sept 28, 2021 3:25:46 GMT
So that’s suggesting the divorce was legit and not an attempt to shelter money, isn’t it?
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Post by amber on Sept 28, 2021 4:10:11 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 28, 2021 4:38:42 GMT
Amber, didn't Bethenny know all this, and say so on her podcast? .. I think this season is the most scripted of all of them..EJ has moved on to another sugar daddy..no signs of contrition imho.
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Post by amber on Sept 28, 2021 5:27:16 GMT
Amber, didn't Bethenny know all this, and say so on her podcast? .. I think this season is the most scripted of all of them..EJ has moved on to another sugar daddy..no signs of contrition imho. Yep. Absolutely.
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Post by prism on Sept 29, 2021 17:05:44 GMT
Amber, didn't Bethenny know all this, and say so on her podcast? .. I think this season is the most scripted of all of them..EJ has moved on to another sugar daddy..no signs of contrition imho. Yep. Absolutely. On WWHL Andy asked Sutton Stracke why she didn’t tell Erika that the other castmates privately agreed with Sutton that there were big questions about what really was going on with Erika. Sutton replied that’s not her job, it’s theirs to tell Erika. Sutton held her ground, though she was all kinds of upset and afraid- but turns out she’s a lot smarter than thug Erika. So turns out Bethenny, Camille, Kyle... and it’s reasonable to believe many others ... knew about financial and/or marital problems back in 2019. I think Erika’s a thug, a liar, possibly a criminal. Also believing she’ll never be found guilty of anything in a court of law. She’ll skate on this, but has to find a new money bag to finance her sex worker life. Yes I think it’s an ugly life, though I think some people think it’s beautiful.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 29, 2021 17:27:42 GMT
This does not make any sense to me. I wish someone would explain it. Initially, the suspicion was that Erica filed for divorce fraudulently. They knew there were money problems, and the belief was that Erica filed so she could take the money and shelter it from and ruling against Tom. Now, the highly reliable and never say anything to get attention - only speak the truth collection of Bethenny Frankel and Lisa Vanderpump are saying that people knew Erica and Tom's marriage was in trouble in 2019, but she hid it from the show. And somehow, this proves that all the accusations against Erica are true? So her marriage was in trouble, and she filed for divorce ... fraudulently? And she didn't tell all the stories about problems Tom was having just like she hid her marriage problems from the show? I'm sorry - it seems to me that the more people uncover, the more it suggests that what we're being told is actually true now.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 29, 2021 19:36:03 GMT
A thug? Sex worker life? Oh me oh my. What is happening here?
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Post by amber on Sept 29, 2021 21:17:44 GMT
When I remarked about how much I loved watching Kathy's party because it reminded me of early seasons. In other words, year after year we've watched trampier, far less sophisticated, and/or monied women join the show. Losing Lisa Vanderpump was a HUGE blow to the BHs franchise because she was the last of the original breed and bringing on Kathy is the closest thing to emulating LVP's return. Yes, Kyle is an OG, but she's milk toast.
Anyway, is Erika a thug? She has verbally beaten up and threatened Sutton, arguably what her husband would do, so, yes, Erika is a thug.
Sex worker life? We know she stripped at a New Jersey strip club. She sold herself to a life with Tom, accepting luxury and financing of her phony pop-star career/company in exchange for sticking it out until the humiliating end. JustJules, have you seen any of her Instagram and twitter posts talking about, f*cking, needing some and seeking a replacement sugar daddy?
Erika and Sutton are both from Georgia and recently separated/divorced left their husbands. It pretty much ends there. Sutton was an equal in her marriage. If to pay attention to Erika's defense as to why she shouldn't be responsible for her company's accounts payables or cooperating with the bankruptcy trustee's request to account for marital assets, she only received "gifts". Gifts? Gifts for what?
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Post by acookertv on Sept 29, 2021 22:08:54 GMT
Sex work is defined as voluntarily engaging in sex work - exchanging sex for goods. So reaching back 25+ years to work as a stripper is not sex work. And if you're going to say marrying Tom was sex work, then marriage has suddenly become sex work and is rather commonplace.
We also know nothing about Sutton's marriage other than that she and her husband were rich, she got a good settlement, and was devastated when it happened. She didn't put her marriage on display, which means it's easy to imagine they were equals -- but we have no way of knowing.
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Post by amber on Sept 29, 2021 23:32:41 GMT
Come on, acooker. Erika's alter ego, Erika Jayne, is sexual performance pornography. Remember, it's often discussed how brave Erika is to put it right out there? It is what it is ... can't put that one back into the box ... for what Erika has done and continues to do is a form of sex work.
Also, just this season, Erika told the women that she's an idiot about money --- an absolute moron. Remember? In fact, didn't she say she hadn't a clue about how to extract money with an ATM card or even walk into a bank? Just go back a few episodes, it's all there.
Oh me oh my. (Couldn't resist! LOL) Could it be that Erika is lying?
Thing is, we're smart people, so we know Erika is trying to hoodwink all of us, and the courts so she and Tom can keep the stuff. So, right now Erika claims she's too stupid because she thinks it'll work for her, even though she expressed her knowledge and capabilities quite differently in her book.
Alternatively, Sutton says she and her husband built their business, together, from the ground up, that they didn't start off rich, they became rich. The important question is, has Sutton given us any reason not to believe her? I can't think of one.
In contrast, we've learned, Erika was never rich. By definition, she and Tom were and are grifters.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 29, 2021 23:37:24 GMT
Amber, I believe that words have definitions, and the dictionary determines those definitions. Drop that and communication is useless. Sex workers exchange sex for goods. Nothing on Instagram confirms Erica has done that. I can say that without even looking at her account because sexaual acts on Instagram would be a violation big enough to get the posts deleted and her banned. I have no interest in chasing around redefining words and “you know what I mean” arguments that serve no purpose.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 30, 2021 0:56:31 GMT
I’ve gotta say I am really impressed with Sutton’s determination getting herself on that sail boat!
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 30, 2021 4:05:35 GMT
I'm just now coming to the realization that most of the musicians I like are sex workers Well dang.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 30, 2021 6:09:21 GMT
I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this episode from start to finish. FINALLY some fun! I'm really starting to like Tiffany. She's reserved but starting to come out of her shell more and more. I also think she's stunning. Kathy Hilton continues to make me smile from ear to ear. If you didn't watch WWHL tonight...you should. Kyle and Kathy were on and every moment with Kathy is priceless. Bravo, Bravo!
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Post by acookertv on Sept 30, 2021 10:52:34 GMT
Do you mean Crystal? I totally agree. I think she came onto the show having carefully reviewed the Housewives Handbook. She came on, shared a little about her life, got to know everyone, and found ways to participate. She did overreact to Sutton ... but she was also willing to admit she was wrong, and did it on camera with very good timing that added to the movement forward and truly helped Sutton out.
As funny as Kathy is, what impresses me the most about her is the ways she supports the other women. When she stayed back to talk to Sutton last night after the kum ba ya moment that wasn't kum ba ya, she showed she truly cared about how she was feeling. But she also didn't take sides - she didn't jump in suggesting Erica should have done things differently to make Sutton feel better. She listened and supported without stirring anything up. Who would have thought - all these years these women have been working so hard to stir it up to be good on the show, and she's great doing the opposite!
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 30, 2021 11:25:50 GMT
Barf, drunk Rinna with food hanging out her mouth,shouting all true, all true. She doesn't know what's true. Kathy always gives her the side eye, which I love.. Crystal looked so good in her swimsuit, how typical of Rinna, to say she was wearing one, and didn't. She knows Crystal has problems with body image. Erika is on some kind of happy pills, they wore/ wear off , when she did her TH. The conversation is always around her, change the damn channel. Finally some laughter? It's the last show next week, a bit late. Although the rolling cars yet again, and exploding eyeballs..you can't make that stuff up, or can you. I completely forgot Dorit was there, she's pretty ignificant, isn't she. EJ, I have no money..but I have a glam squad( who must dislike her, given the slap on her face was so thick) .She was talking plastic surgery and people abandoning Tom, like she did.?.lol Love Sutton ( don't turn your back Sutton) and Garcelle is beautiful. The reunion is 4 shows, Erika , Erika, Erika and Erika...
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