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Post by MFWalkoff on Apr 25, 2019 23:34:05 GMT
Elegance Is the New Black - The designers are surprised with an invitation to a Brandon Maxwell photo shoot featuring none other than supermodel and 'Project Runway' host, Karlie Kloss. The final ten are tasked to impress Brandon with their own take on elegance.
Enjoy the show!
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Post by photobabe on Apr 26, 2019 1:55:55 GMT
On what planet do "pasties" and "elegant" go on the same garment? Weird!
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Post by Kao on Apr 26, 2019 1:56:44 GMT
I have to give Garo credit; instead of treating that model Kate as horrible luck and some sort of model demon that needed to be covered up (or have all her bits hanging out) he decided to celebrate her and her curves. She looked a lot happier this week as well, and I was glad for her.
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Post by Jamie5632 on Apr 26, 2019 3:58:49 GMT
Tessa really needs to stop lamenting a curvy model. I was glad both Brandon and Christian shut her down, but she just doesn't quit. She's a woman, not an octopus; figure it out.
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Post by Kao on Apr 26, 2019 4:30:02 GMT
I know that the Project Runway on Bravo FB page is filled with meanspirited hateful people but they are REALLY going off about Tessa, and the more she answers back the nastier they get. Blimey.
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Post by babbred on Apr 26, 2019 12:41:38 GMT
1. Hester's outfit was ridiculous, as usual. I'm so glad the judges finally put her in the bottom.
2. I would love to know what the safe designers said back in the lounge. You remember as they exited the runway, Sebastian told them, "Maybe it's because we stayed true to our vision?" Translation: once again we knocked out stunning outfits, so why in the heck are we back here instead out there in the top? Yeah, I'm starting to lose patience with the judges, too.
3. What was up with Nina telling Lela that plaid is a masculine fabric? I'm a woman, and I've worn it all my life. I just like how it looks. I never considered it gendered. Was Nina thinking of Scotsmen and their kilts? That's weird, because I've had any number of plaid skirts in my life that do not look like a kilt, but something fashionable.
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Post by Arielflies on Apr 26, 2019 12:59:59 GMT
Never once did Jamal thank Christian for giving him the new direction in thinking about design that gave him the win. Phooo
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Post by photobabe on Apr 26, 2019 13:06:17 GMT
Never once did Jamal thank Christian for giving him the new direction in thinking about design that gave him the win. Phooo Maybe he did. Remember, many hours of footage are edited out.
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Post by babbred on Apr 26, 2019 14:59:20 GMT
Whoops. It was Jamall with the plaid fabric. As much as I love plaid, I didn't like that dress. It looked like a wrinkled bedsheet. Sonia did not deserve to be eliminated. Her classy exit was lovely. Renee should have been in the bottom since her outfit was also a frumpy mess like Bishme's. Since Hester had immunity, I would have kept her out of the bottom and made it Renee, Bishme, and Tessa. That outfit Tessa made was an insult to her model. Tessa deserved all the criticism she received from the judges. I mean, seriously, people. The old PR had an entire flippin' season where they used plus-sized models, and some designers are still freaking out about working with them? Garo's reaction just made me love him all the more.
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Post by betty80 on Apr 26, 2019 17:18:21 GMT
I wasn't impressed with any of the designs. There were good ones but none stood out to be as spectacular. Tessa's comments about the model were sad. I'm also glad she was called out for it. The first episode showed that Tessa could be the potential season villain, but in other episodes she was nice and helping other designers. I'm over Hester. She just wants to push towards the ridiculous. I wonder if that is the real reason she was kicked out of Parsons. Mimi is killing it as a model.
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Post by photobabe on Apr 26, 2019 21:07:18 GMT
I'm going to speak out in defense of Tess. Remember, this is a design competition, not a makeover competition. Clothes look better on skinny models. That's why designers use only thin ladies them to show off their collections. (unless they are a plus size designer) I would be fine if everyone used curvy models (I'm curvy), but to have two designers use them and the rest have the skinny models just seems unfair to me. Do any of you know of one single designer that mixes in curvy models with the thin ones in their shows?
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Post by betty80 on Apr 26, 2019 21:48:58 GMT
Thinking about it more, I remember that all of the designers had a chance to choose their models and no one chose a curvy model. That says something too. Maybe Tess just said what the others were thinking.
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Post by annab on Apr 26, 2019 21:50:10 GMT
I semi understand why Sonia was eliminated, but honestly her garment was at least elegant versus Bishme's. It may not have been 'young' or 'fresh' but between the two I know which outfit would end up being worn to an elegant affair... I think Sonia had more to bring.
Sonia should have spent her time on the kimono part and then throw together the dress portion. Her time management was not good.
Hester's idea of elegant is the worst. I like her quirkiness, but it kind of reminds me of Kenley Collins from season 5. Hester is less 40's than Kenley but has a distinctive point of view that may win her fans, but I don't think it will win the competition.
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Post by betty80 on Apr 26, 2019 21:50:53 GMT
I think Hester abused her immunity.
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Post by Critical on Apr 26, 2019 22:07:57 GMT
[ETA: responding to Betty's post about the other designers choosing thin models]
^^^^ Exactly! Every single designer chose a slim model...until they were all gone, leaving Tess and Garo with the two bigger girls. None of them has any room to criticize Tess. Garo seemed fine with his model, but then again, he always puts them in corsets. I'd like to see how he'd do if he wasn't allowed to truss them up and cinch them in. That seems the easy way out in fitting a curvier model. Frankly, I have a hard time with anyone criticizing Tess in these circumstances. There's a difference between designing for bigger girls out in the world, but in the context of THIS show, where they get such a short amount of time to finish their garments, having to design for a model who needs more structure in the garment adds work that they really not have time for. If a model is smaller busted, you don't have to think about adding support to the clothing. If she's got a bigger bum or wider hips, you have to consider how it will hang and fit. With a thin, "clothes hanger" model, you can just design the clothing you want to design. Of course they still have to fit the garment to the model, but that's often a much quicker process than with a "curvy" model.
If ALL of the designers got bigger models, then I'd feel differently, but it's not really fair to give most of the designers traditionally thin models and then give a few designers models with bodies that will be harder to design for....in the same amount of time. Christian himself is pretty well known for designing clothing for larger women in his career now, but did he have to do that when he was on PR? I don't think so (experts can correct me if I'm wrong here). In the past, I know they've done challenges designing for "everyday women," but then almost every designer is working with a model who hasn't got the traditional model body.
I didn't like the color of Hester's dress and yeah, the pasties were a misstep, but I thought the dress was fitted well and the draping was well done. If she's done the bodice in a different (and not sheer) fabric and used a less garish color, it could have been stunning, IMO. I do applaud her for just going all out though.
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Post by Kao on Apr 27, 2019 0:18:37 GMT
I'm going to speak out in defense of Tess. Remember, this is a design competition, not a makeover competition. Clothes look better on skinny models. That's why designers use only thin ladies them to show off their collections. (unless they are a plus size designer) I would be fine if everyone used curvy models (I'm curvy), but to have two designers use them and the rest have the skinny models just seems unfair to me. Do any of you know of one single designer that mixes in curvy models with the thin ones in their shows? Gaultier was known for doing it, and he did it before anyone else. There's also a few newer designers whose names escape me that use different size models for their clothes, but that's their market (street fashion). Rihanna also used different size models for her lingerie collection (including one pregnant model).
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Post by babbred on Apr 27, 2019 1:10:40 GMT
Evidently the judges think the designers should be able to work with curvy models. They may be right or they may be wrong, but that's what they think. It wouldn't surprise me if this comes back to bit Tessa on a future challenge. I'll bet the judges will remember this and bring it up again if she falls into the bottom.
And a corset is not some magic solution. It's not going to turn a curvy woman into Scarlett O'Hara. Notice how Garo's model still appeared curvy on the runway. In terms of sewing, I'm not sure if Garo is making true corsets for his dresses. Real corsets are highly structured. They don't just pull in your waist; they make you stand up straight.
I don't sew, so I don't know how hard it would be to design for curvy women. I do know that Garo had a heck of a better attitude. He didn't whine and complain but embraced the challenge. And I know one thing--as a woman with a few too many pounds, I do not bury myself in an oversized coat if I want to look fashionable.
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Post by justmythoughts on Apr 27, 2019 5:05:53 GMT
I have been watching PR for years. The judges used to like clothes that are actually wearable. Now they seem to embrace anything that is "out there" and odd. Personally, I thought Sebastian's dress was lovely, and really fit the model. His clothes always seem so well made. Sonia was voted off, but even Christian said, "I know many clients who would LOVE to wear that dress". (The pictures of dresses that Sonia designed at her business were beautiful; too bad she didn't go in that direction.) Bishme's dress was a hodgepodge of too many directions.... pretty awful. And although I was glad that Jamal went in a more positive direction on this show, I didn't like his final result. It was good that he draped his fabric to get ideas, but.... the final result just looked draped.... nothing more. That huge pocket/flap on the front looked like a left-over wad a material he didn't know what to do with.
Hester's designs are just ridiculous. Most women wouldn't want to wear her clothes. She wants people to think she is outrageous, and tries so hard to be "out there", she has become boring.
And Tessa...... her comment about the curvy model. Actually, I think she is right; it IS tougher to design for a curvy model. Not good or bad, but more of a challenge. That is why the curvier models were chosen last. Face it; you can drape a burlap bag on a skinny model, and it looks fine. Garo really knows how to dress a larger sized woman, but even he puts her in a corset. The corset is the best way to hide the lumps and bumps, push up the chest, and it make the waist look small. His model looked great, but but she was cinched in. I would be considered a plus-sized model, and I have a tough time dressing myself. Garo would be the designer I would choose for myself. (But still..... I am dieting....)
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Post by Arielflies on Apr 27, 2019 14:18:53 GMT
Welcome justmythoughts! I agree with your post. It is hard for me to get into the minds of these "new" judges as we haven't had the years of experience we had with Heidi and her group. I mean - Nina - has been there, but it seems her viewpoint on well-made is also changing into more of a "drop it from the cloud". While it is different and fun to see how outrageous someone can go with their designs, it is all about traditional runway, isn't it?
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Post by JosephD on Apr 27, 2019 15:03:13 GMT
I liked Sonia's garment. In fact, it was my favorite. I thought it had a "little black dress" classy, elegance about it. I was shocked to see her get eliminated.
I also liked Tessa and Garo's looks. I thought they did well designing for their models. For Tessa, I would have preferred if she left out the wrap and done something more sparkly with the top since her inspiration was the money. Leaving the top 'as is,' she should have accessorized more upscale. Still, without the wrap I thought the way Tessa cut the hem on the blouse was thoughtful, as it draped in such a way that it flattered the model's figure.
I expected Bishme to get eliminated. Long sleeves plus a turtleneck made the outfit look too constricting.
I didn't dislike Lela's look, but that horizontal stripe right across the model's hip was a bad decision. It made her look wider.
I thought I'd heard wrong when Hester first said she was going to put pasties on her garment - but there they were. There was nothing unique about them to show that Hester at least tried to make them look relevant. They were just two round circles drawing your eye to the model's breast. I can't even give Hester credit for overall craftsmanship. The right skirt seam ran down the front of the model's right leg. The left skirt seam ran down the side of the model's left leg. Lastly, I didn't understand how the blue peacock feathers in Hester's chosen inspiration bag had anything to do with her garment.
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Post by kocky_Kamikaze on Apr 27, 2019 15:26:18 GMT
Okay... I'm finishing up watching this episode...
Hester's look: Is it me or did everyone have the most repulsed look on their faces in PR history, Bravo and Lifetime? Then, in front of especially her, did not rip her a new big one as they would have done anyone else. If it were anyone else, Nina would've had them in snotty tears and she would say "There's no need for that..."
Gads, this woman is going to win...
Sebastian's look: Why in the world is he not on top??
Really??? Jamal won on SUCH a lame "elegant" dress. It's middle of the road.
I could see Jamall and Hester in the top three.
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Post by babbred on Apr 27, 2019 20:17:02 GMT
It's one thing to acknowledge that a project might be difficult. It's another to not want to do it at all All Tessa had to say was, "I've never designed anything for a curvier model before, so this will be out of my comfort zone. However, I'm looking forward to pushing myself in a new direction and seeing what I can do." How many times have we heard designers say some variation of that when designing something they don't normally sew? And she could have curried favor with the judges at the same time.
Instead, as one blogger put it, "Tessa Clark looks like one of my kids when I have asked them to clean out the pool filter: defiant and sulky." I would go even further and say it looked like a proverbial "do we have to have HER on our team?" playground moment. I don't care what you think privately; do you really want to reveal your bad attitude to the judges and the rest of the world? The other designers all indicated their attitude with their silence as they chose other models. They would be wise to stay silent. Two designers who have worked with this model have been eliminated, and yet the model keeps being put in the mix to be chosen again. Clearly, the producers and judges want her there, so she's not going away.
Also, the commenters under this recap made a great point. Tessa is packing a few pounds herself. She's the exact opposite of the size 0 models she prizes. So she never designs any of her own clothes? Speaking of which, that design cost $400? I have a very similar outfit, only in a brighter color. I wear it on dress casual days at work.
I will be fair, though, and say that I wasn't all that enamored of Garo's outfit. It looked like a piece of lingerie. I kept wanting to push the straps up. Putting that stripe across her model's hips was a terrible mistake for Lela. It made her poor model look so wide you would have almost thought she was wearing an old-fashioned hoop skirt.
From the recap: "[The day of the runway] Hester looks like the unhinged cousin to the anime dominatrix Garo did last week." And [according to a commenter] her design was "...Disney princess shops David's Bridal." Also, in the old days the judges would have simply told her she was luck to have immunity, then dismissed her with the safe designers. Why did they put her in the bottom now and fill a spot that should have been taken by someone else?
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Post by beerbelly on Apr 27, 2019 23:10:05 GMT
Ok, so I texted all of my friends and they said 'who is that?'....and the minute I saw her I couldn't wait to tell you all! I was at a First Communion and I was given the head's up that Megan Kelly was going to be there, and since I'm not a Fox News person...didn't care. But I'm in a pew and guess who walks in? NINA GARCIA!!!!! There was a reception afterwards and we were both navigating the hallway...and she looked at me and we both smiled! Turns out, my friend emails her all the time because she was the one who taught religion and orchestrated the first communion event. She too, had no clue who she was. I was the only one fan girling. Anyhoo, yes, she looked fantastic and just like she does on the show.
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Post by Navybelle on Apr 28, 2019 2:56:10 GMT
Ok, so I texted all of my friends and they said 'who is that?'....and the minute I saw her I couldn't wait to tell you all! I was at a First Communion and I was given the head's up that Megan Kelly was going to be there, and since I'm not a Fox News person...didn't care. But I'm in a pew and guess who walks in? NINA GARCIA!!!!! There was a reception afterwards and we were both navigating the hallway...and she looked at me and we both smiled! Turns out, my friend emails her all the time because she was the one who taught religion and orchestrated the first communion event. She too, had no clue who she was. I was the only one fan girling. Anyhoo, yes, she looked fantastic and just like she does on the show. Nina teaches religion class? Wow! That's so cool, I would have been fan-girling too!! How fun.
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Post by provenceguy on Apr 28, 2019 3:18:09 GMT
I think it's the friend who teaches the religion class???
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Post by beerbelly on Apr 28, 2019 11:09:26 GMT
Oh, yes, sorry, I'm confusing. My friend teaches religion. Nina's child is in the class.
I can't believe I'm one degree from Nina!
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Post by coco46 on May 1, 2019 22:12:57 GMT
I wasn't impressed with any of the designs. There were good ones but none stood out to be as spectacular. Tessa's comments about the model were sad. I'm also glad she was called out for it. The first episode showed that Tessa could be the potential season villain, but in other episodes she was nice and helping other designers. I'm over Hester. She just wants to push towards the ridiculous. I wonder if that is the real reason she was kicked out of Parsons. Mimi is killing it as a model. I haven't been impressed all season with most of the designs and the judges and their praise remarks have my head shaking.
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