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Post by badseed on May 17, 2019 0:55:51 GMT
I'm kind of surprised so many viewers didn't care for the Edge of Extinction twist. I'm equally surprised I liked it. I'm usually focused more on the athleticism and endurance during the physical challenges, than I am the social aspects of this game. I would have guessed that viewers who favor networking, bonding and camaraderie over who can run the fastest, last the longest, reach the farthest -- would have LOVED the Edge of Extinction twist. Apparently not. To me, Edge of Extinction makes a player have to work smarter to connect. It's heavily dependent upon social engineering while virtually non-existent on anything physical. Yes, you catch a fish every once in awhile but other than that, you're doing nothing. Just sitting. Sitting and waiting while your unused muscles turn to mush. In a regular season of Survivor when you can vote somebody off and they're no longer a threat, you don't have to think as strategically as when Edge of Extinction is itching to blow up your hard fought game. When you're deciding who to vote off and you have to worry that someone you've wronged might get back in the game and seek revenge, or you have to consider that they might blab to the other Edge of Extinction castaways about your hidden immunity idol, or you know that even though they're being voted off first, that they're immediately on the jury and that you may need their vote someday....well, all those variables should affect how you make your moves. I had two gripes with the twist. One, the return-to-game points were almost exactly the same as the Redemption Island format, which made it predictable. And two, no one quit from EoE because of the conditions, meaning it was inherently too easy. Wendy and Keith's quits were motivated by the offer of a "safe" prize (the pre-jury trip around the world) that was about to be taken off the table.
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Post by Brooks on May 17, 2019 12:14:08 GMT
I had two gripes with the twist. One, the return-to-game points were almost exactly the same as the Redemption Island format, which made it predictable. And two, no one quit from EoE because of the conditions, meaning it was inherently too easy. Wendy and Keith's quits were motivated by the offer of a "safe" prize (the pre-jury trip around the world) that was about to be taken off the table. I didn't realize about the trip! As far as the conditions being too easy, no one really knew what was in store for them. Future participants will, if the EOE rules don't change much.
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Post by holly on May 17, 2019 15:19:04 GMT
Quoting myself here, because I pretty much called it (I finally got something right, lol)
I do feel like the EOE returnee should've been brought back a lot sooner though - like when there was 9-10 players left in the game.
Out of the three sitting at the end, I'm glad Chris won, but damn, I wish Rick was in the F3. I would've loved to see him win. He played his ass off. I'm just super thrilled Julie got ZERO votes. I couldn't stand her.
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Post by Bearcata on May 18, 2019 2:51:36 GMT
Very disappointed wanted Rick to win. Wish he had gotten Chris out. Rick probably would have been in the same position having to build fire against someone but he would have had a better chance against Gavin, Julie, or Lauren.
And no I don't think Chris deserved it because he had gone to Edge of Extinction, so had Rick. A lot of my distaste is that Chris came back so very, very, very late in the game it was ridiculous.
And no I don't think being on Edge of Extinction meant he had played a better game then Julie or Gavin. Hope he makes bad investments and loses all his money and ends up with massive flabby thunder thighs.
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Post by silver18 on May 18, 2019 5:24:59 GMT
I agree that the final EOE returnee came in a bit too late for my taste. Sorry Rick couldn't be the winner. I would not be sorry to see the last of the EOE concept
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Post by Bearcata on May 18, 2019 6:27:01 GMT
I agree that the final EOE returnee came in a bit too late for my taste. Sorry Rick couldn't be the winner. I would not be sorry to see the last of the EOE concept I didn't mind the EOE concept and it worked well when Rick came back I just wish they had done the final comeback much earlier but leaving it as late as they did was not a good idea.
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Post by Brooks on May 18, 2019 10:30:00 GMT
I think the producers wanted whoever came back from EOE to have a good chance at making F3 and then seeing what happened. He was given half an idol as potential security. If he had come back much sooner the others probably would have understood they absolutely had to get rid of him and would have had more opportunity to do so. This way, he makes F3 by winning only one challenge and the producers get to see the result of their newest social experiment - what kind of social edge would someone coming back from EOE have at Final TC? I hope fans scream loud enough that it was a very unsatisfying twist.
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Post by allornothing on May 18, 2019 14:21:01 GMT
Took me forever to watch the finale due to power being our for 19 hours after a storm and then just general busyness.
I am glad Devens received the award. Like Sia, I want players to entertain me and that goes a long way.
As far as the final 3, I was rooting for Chris initially out of the 3. I like that he went up against Devens (even though I was rooting for Devens, but that's what helped make the case for him to me). But after the tribal I felt a good case was made for GAvin and would have been ok with him winning as well. I kind of have the theory if you make it to the final 3, you did something to deserve to be there. Even if it was just not being weak or annoying or flying under the radar early on so not being targeted as the early vote. Or making the right alliances. I am also ok with those people not getting any votes at tribal, but I don't take away they didn't do something to get there
I am on the fence about next season. The whole "mentor" thing feels - eh, but then I always found BR and Sandra entertaining so hopefully Survivor pulls off this new twist. So I will wait to pass judgement.
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Post by silver18 on May 18, 2019 16:10:46 GMT
Maybe it would have been more satisfying if we had the chance to see more about life on the edge.... they did at the beginning but later not so much. I am glad Chris won over the other two, but Devens was my fav so still sad....
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Post by FannyMare on May 18, 2019 16:27:24 GMT
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Post by Tribal Speak on May 19, 2019 13:25:04 GMT
I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Gavin. He’s owed another chance and I think he will be offered to play another season.
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Post by Punkin on May 19, 2019 20:15:46 GMT
I never took to Gavin. Don't know why.
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Post by atwi80d on May 19, 2019 20:54:33 GMT
Glad Chris won. And that really he deserved it. Rick I think had he made the fire would had won. Really liked those two.
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Post by FannyMare on May 19, 2019 21:33:09 GMT
I never took to Gavin. Don't know why. I didn't, he was a bit of a snorefest imnsho.
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Post by sunnydayz on May 20, 2019 0:52:46 GMT
I never took to Gavin. Don't know why. Me either. Seems like a nice enough guy, but I hardly noticed him until the very end.
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Post by Brooks on May 20, 2019 12:41:33 GMT
Maybe the producers felt they needed to downplay Gavin and Julie to make up for an EOE denizen winning.
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Post by sirmalcoth on May 20, 2019 19:05:48 GMT
I never took to Gavin. Don't know why. Me either. Seems like a nice enough guy, but I hardly noticed him until the very end. Because a Third Boot won this season, so I guess producers felt it wasn't necessary to give us a big edit of Gavin. Its like why show the viewers this big edit of someone who lasted 39 days when he ends up losing to a third boot. Such a weird season
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 4, 2019 3:57:24 GMT
I finally watched the Survivor Reunion Show. I was so disappointed by Chris winning, detested the win so much that I simply could not watch them celebrate his win.
If I was voting I would vote Julie. Why because she got to the end. Regardless of how many of us imagine ourselves to be smart, a immunity winner, an idol finder, a strategist, a social networker, that is not really true of the majority of people. We are goats. Goats survive. They read the situation and will change in midstream and go with whoever is winning at the moment. Goats even stroke a more aggressive players ego. Goats will back stab if needed. No one really appreciates Goats.
Do I think Julie had a strategy in this game? Not really. But I luv'ed it when she turned one tribal on it's ear. I can tell that many of the jury especially the more aggressive females did not appreciate her moves, and I would say didn't think she was a strong woman. The minute emotions are put into the equation folks think the player is weak. Also I do think there is a strong hint of ageism on this show especially against older females who do not use their feminine wiles. There have been studies on this and in our own culture in the female is not breedable she is disposable and I do think Julie was tarred a bit with that. Also she is not confrontational and it hurt that she did not participate in the Chris and Gavin back and forth during finale tribal. I could see that the jury dismissed Julie as a winner in this game. In real life Julie would win, Chris would get shot for trying to overcome the enemy, and Gavin for trying to do something. The jury did not give Julie credit for winning immunity twice and getting to the finale. I don't think there is anything wrong with being a goat vs a salesperson using techniques to manipulate people.
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Post by badseed on Jun 4, 2019 20:18:14 GMT
It’s the wishy washiness that did her in. I can guarantee that if you look like you were peer pressured into voting someone out, you will never get that person’s jury vote.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 4, 2019 22:49:14 GMT
It’s the wishy washiness that did her in. I can guarantee that if you look like you were peer pressured into voting someone out, you will never get that person’s jury vote. I don't know about wishy washiness, I think she didn't know how to play the game and it took her a long time to get it. Is Julie a fan of the game? It always surprises me when fans of the game don't know how to play. Also it floors ethical people how this game is played and Julie is very ethical. I do think Julie was dismissed very early on as a nonentity and didn't really learn how to play until the end of the game, yet that was worth less then Chris's 12 days in the game. I totally think young good looking men are rewarded much more for this game then necessary. I would never vote anyone a winner even if they provided wood, fire, shelter, water, fish for me. It didn't work for Joe. That strategy rarely works. Yes it is appreciated but not worth a vote for a million dollars. Totally luv'ed the way Ric Devens ran the jury questions.
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Post by Brooks on Jun 5, 2019 11:55:16 GMT
I think Julie and Gavin both had to be downplayed across the episodes so that Chris' win would be more acceptable.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 6, 2019 3:40:31 GMT
I think Julie and Gavin both had to be downplayed across the episodes so that Chris' win would be more acceptable. Well, it didn't work in my case, it still feels very bitter? displeasing? total letdown probably is closest to what I felt and and still feel.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 6, 2019 4:50:42 GMT
I think Julie and Gavin both had to be downplayed across the episodes so that Chris' win would be more acceptable. I don't think they gave them much to work with, they were dull. I mean Gavin told nobody he left his new wife for the show, until she turned up Julie was always a follower.. It wasn't a good season,and these two didn't help . I'm good with Chris winning..
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