tapper01
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Hello....I had Renny's sock puppet as my avi. I lost it and would love if someone could find it.
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Post by tapper01 on Jun 18, 2019 16:57:05 GMT
I love when she tells Luke "I've had sex-and Jesus still loves me"
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 18, 2019 19:24:35 GMT
I don't know how manipulated she was to let Luke P stay, but I have the feeling the entire episode was a load of crap. First, if she really wanted to send him home, she would have. Is she not smart enough to realize that a relationship with someone who doesn't communicate how she wants him to would be a constant ordeal of yelling, crying, cajoling, lecturing, whining, and complaining?! Second, why keep him around for the Rose Ceremony and rub all the guys' noses in the fact that she was going to keep him anyway except now it's in front of all of them and especially hurtful for the three she let go in favor of someone they all hate? If she knew she wasn't ready to dump him, why not give him the rose at the 1:1? I hate when they make an entire episode about one troublesome contestant, so we don't really see any relationships with the others. They've given Luke P more air time this season than all the other top contenders put together. Then to add insult to injury, we get Chris H playing psychotherapist on and on, or whatever he was supposed to be doing besides wasting time, and don't get to see anything of Latvia, unless I fell asleep for a half-hour and missed it. Agreed on the bold part! UGH! I think she legitimately wanted to send him home, and the producers manipulated him into going back ( probably told him what to do in order to get her to let him stay*) and talked to her behind the scenes and told her to give him another chance. They just want the drama. And it appears from the previews that they are continuing to manipulate things for him to stay, regardless of how much that messes with her emotionally. Between this season and Colton's season, it is more clear than ever the extent to which the leads are just guinea pigs that the production team manipulates to get a good show. And no one cares even sort of whether or not the lead actually finds happiness or love. * If they did tell him what to say/do, that would be so ironic, given that earlier in the day, she asked them to explain to him what she needed when she said that she wanted to hear about his feelings, and they said no. (When he tried to express feelings, by the way, it seemed more like acting that like genuine feelings. I have the sense that the poor guy really doesn't have much access to his feelings, which is really sad. I'm not saying he doesn't have any, because you can sometimes see them in his eyes, but I think he's so emotionally repressed and used to just saying what people want to hear that he really doesn't know what to do with feelings.)
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Post by Navybelle on Jun 19, 2019 4:12:34 GMT
That whole article with Chris Harrison trying to make it seem like he was tired of the Luke stuff too and didn't want him to stay??!! /Huge eyeroll!!/ I couldn't stand the fake tone he used with her when Hannah was crying after the guy's argument, saying they're acting like this because they like you so much. They care!! ugh!!!
I agree completely that it was producer manipulation that Luke gets the last rose at the ceremony, and probably that he stayed around at all. I'd like to think she wouldn't keep him if she didn't want to, but they're good at what they do. And they have their ways. Ridiculous, but true, and I'm disliking it more and more.
I see her "loss of hope" crisis period relating primarily to Luke. She fell for him right off the bat and I think she imagined it all wrapped up. Then she discovered what a tool he could be, and got so disillusioned (crying the morning of Tyler's date), but still wanted to give him a chance to recapture that magic. Every time she talks about her struggle, I hear her saying she is sad with how Luke isn't really the one even though she thought so at first.
Her recap comments on Mike were pretty positive, suggesting to me that if she doesn't pick him he should be the next Bachelor.
Oh my gosh, the preview of one of them coming with a ring?? How did he get "loose" to go get a ring? Or was it someone already let go? In either case, the show's producers would have to allow the guy to do this, and if I were Hannah I'd be ticked off. Just like when Colton took off when he was upset, I believe he was upset with the show and how it manipulated Cassie/her dad, and that's why he pushed the camera away and ran off. Funny how Chris H refers to that when talking about Hannah, that she's a fighter and won't run away from things, essentially slamming Colton. CH is so slimy.
Anyway, lots of steamy scenes in the upcoming episodes! Wow! And Hannah seems up for it! lol
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 19, 2019 4:46:28 GMT
I agree, Navybelle. Hannah has said in interviews that once she's set her sights on someone, she has a really hard time giving up on them. She sees the warts but wants to believe she can help them heal or become more of who she believes they can be. (Rarely a good basis for a relationship.) I think she realizes that Luke needs to go and was serious about sending him home, but the producers know how to play on that desire to help people redeem themselves or to not want to give up on the initial fantasy, and they encourage her not to let him go just yet. I saw a recap on Strahan and Sarah today with Rachel, though, and she said she doesn't see producer manipulation. She thinks it's all Hannah. Rachel, who has not hesitated to criticize the show, says that she thinks producers would love to get rid of Luke, because he's bringing down the show and keeping them from being able to develop stories about any of the other guys. So now I'm not sure what to think, because I sure smell a big production rat. It looks that way to me.
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Post by cornholio on Jun 19, 2019 21:35:52 GMT
People get Botox in their early 20s now as wrinkle PREVENTION! omg.
I'm watching now.... I got sucked in. Don't mind Hannah as the bette after all!
But this latest episode, what a colossal waste of time! FF'd a lot of it.
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Post by babbred on Jun 20, 2019 14:21:46 GMT
I KNEW it! I knew this was going to happen! Not that I had any spoilers, but I just had this feeling that Luke would come crashing in to Hannah's place and beg her to stay. Somebody that clueless stalkerish would not take no for an answer. IRL she would be blocking him on social media to try and get rid of him. You can't tell me she wants him there.
In the world of the show, this is getting creepy that they're not allowing Hannah to send a guy home. Of course the producers set it all up. Otherwise Luke would have just begged at the site of their date, and Hannah would have told the show people to throw him out. How would he know where she was staying? How would he get there? As I said, creepy.
I played games on my laptop during the second half. My score on Solitaire increased greatly.
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Post by Cuddles on Jun 20, 2019 15:44:28 GMT
Part of me buys that the conversation Chris Harrison had with Hannah B was legit. I think he was correct in saying the reason why the guys are all up in her business about Luke P is because they like her.
Yes, I said earlier that Tyler and Peter got the award for Most Aware. I still stand by that because they clearly saw how all of the arguing was unhealthy for her.
But Garrett was in protective mode, which to me is an even higher level of caring and something any girl should relish. He had two choices, either he let Hannah handle it on her own or he stepped in. Given what we've seen of Luke P, would you've allowed someone you care about to be further manipulated by that guy?
My final four are Garrett, Tyler, Jed and Peter. She clearly finds Jed very hot but I haven't seen them connect on a deeper level. Tyler she finds not only hot, but just an all around good guy. However... he is holding back when it comes to affection (his kisses are quick in comparison to the others) so unless she can get him to feel more comfortable in front of the camera, I'm afraid he won't make it to final two. Peter has me on the fence. I could see him being her pick or I could see him going home before fantasy dates. Totally confused as to how she's doing there. Which leaves Garrett who is all in and exactly what she deserves.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 21, 2019 0:57:13 GMT
Garrett's motivation may have been to protect Hannah, but he totally betrayed her trust when he immediately repeated their private conversation to the rest of the men and used it to stir things up when she had just said that she didn't want to hear any more arguing.
If I were Hannah, that's not something I would easily forgive or forget. It's disrespectful, and she's capable of taking care of herself. Like she said, he needs to stay in his lane.
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Post by Cuddles on Jun 21, 2019 10:50:08 GMT
Luke was the one doing all of the betraying. If that's what it took to call him out, that's what it took. And he admitted feeling bad that doing so further upset Hannah, but in hindsight, I'd bet he'd say he'd do it again.
If this were happening to me, I'd want bright orange cones put all around the lane Luke P is in.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 21, 2019 17:33:42 GMT
Luke was the one doing all of the betraying. If that's what it took to call him out, that's what it took. And he admitted feeling bad that doing so further upset Hannah, but in hindsight, I'd bet he'd say he'd do it again. If this were happening to me, I'd want bright orange cones put all around the lane Luke P is in. We clearly have different views about what's OK in terms of boundaries in a relationship. His behavior wouldn't work for me, but if it works for you, that's cool. Everybody gets to decide what works for them in a relationship, and as long as both partners are on the same page, it's good, and it doesn't really matter what I think ☺️.
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Post by MissScarlet on Jun 21, 2019 23:59:33 GMT
I'm still seeing a naïve and gullible guy who wears his heart on his sleeve way too much, in Luke. I feel he's getting lead down the garden path by Production, and following just like they want. He seems like a decent enough guy who really needs to just tone it all down & relax. I can understand that though. No one likes to be put on the defensive all the time. He's trying, but the guys just don't seem to want to give him a chance. I think it's because Hannah seems to like him so much & they feel threatened by that. The running to Hannah to trash him at every possible opportunity has gotten really old. Give the guy a chance. If he's really all that bad he'll show himself eventually all on his own. True jerks eventually out themselves.
I've noticed the assumed & suspected Final 3/4 are keeping out of the Pick-On-Luke melee. They are concentrating on their own relationship with her & spending their time that way, rather than on trashing Luke. Tearing someone else down in order to try to make yourself look better just isn't a good way to go. Most women (or men) get tired of that. She wants to get to know the guys & see what she has in common with them, & have fun with them. Not hear negativity directed toward someone else.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 22, 2019 6:32:10 GMT
I'm still seeing a naïve and gullible guy who wears his heart on his sleeve way too much, in Luke. I feel he's getting lead down the garden path by Production, and following just like they want. He seems like a decent enough guy who really needs to just tone it all down & relax. I can understand that though. No one likes to be put on the defensive all the time. He's trying, but the guys just don't seem to want to give him a chance. I think it's because Hannah seems to like him so much & they feel threatened by that. The running to Hannah to trash him at every possible opportunity has gotten really old. Give the guy a chance. If he's really all that bad he'll show himself eventually all on his own. True jerks eventually out themselves. I've noticed the assumed & suspected Final 3/4 are keeping out of the Pick-On-Luke melee. They are concentrating on their own relationship with her & spending their time that way, rather than on trashing Luke. Tearing someone else down in order to try to make yourself look better just isn't a good way to go. Most women (or men) get tired of that. She wants to get to know the guys & see what she has in common with them, & have fun with them. Not hear negativity directed toward someone else. Yeah. I see someone who is naive and easily influenced by production. As someone who grew up in an insulated and conservative religious environment, I also recognize someone who maybe hasn't had a lot of exposure to people who are very different from him and who has learned to speak in platitudes that work well as a form of shorthand when talking to other people like you but seem fake or disingenuous to people from outside your culture and could rub them the wrong way. I don't have any excuses for the fact that he lies when backed into a corner. but I can certainly see how he would feel backed into a corner most of the time in this situation. I do think that there's been a lot more go on between him and Hannah that was fun and relaxed and "at home" with each other than we've seen and that formed a basis for her feeling so attached to him and not wanting to give up in spite of all of the negative stuff we've seen. There are snatches of that comfortable connection shown in some of the previews where it's clear that when they are comfortable with each other the walls are really down, and there's a very nice connection.
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