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Post by waywyrd on Jul 16, 2019 1:54:03 GMT
Pretty fitting that there's a storm brewing around them while this is going on. Well, it only took her all season, but she finally saw through Luke's mess.
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Post by Navybelle on Jul 16, 2019 1:59:26 GMT
I love it. He refused to leave, and I loved how she kept saying "Come on!"
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Post by waywyrd on Jul 16, 2019 2:00:11 GMT
So Luke comes back next week for more after being sent home? Good grief.
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Post by Navybelle on Jul 16, 2019 2:01:40 GMT
Wow, the previews show he comes back DURING the rose ceremony! Tyler looks like he steps up for her, and Jed has to jump in and say "yeah, what are you goin' to do about it?!"
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Post by Navybelle on Jul 16, 2019 2:13:22 GMT
I rewound to the part when she and Tyler separated after their date, when she made that comment about him being the most respectful man *ever* that she's been with. She got emotional talking about him, said she had to think/process all her other relationships after this, and was crying as he left, and to me it also looked like Tyler was crying as he walked away. He turned his head away from the camera, he sniffed and made a face like he was holding it in. She said it was ripping her apart to see him leave. That broke *my* heart -- I want her to pick him so he doesn't get his heart broken. He's so sweet to her!
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Post by Navybelle on Jul 16, 2019 2:17:14 GMT
Had to share:
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 16, 2019 6:57:51 GMT
It seems Luke P opened a Twitter account just so he could see what Hannah was saying and try to clap back. He tried to shame her again, and she totally shut him down. What she said was clever, but if she were smart, she wouldn't engage at all. When she engages, he wins. She needs to just stop! Stop saying mean things about him. Stop replying to his tweets. Stop caring what he thinks. Stop giving him any power over you at all. people.com/tv/luke-p-talks-argument-the-bachelorette-hannah-brown-claps-back/
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 16, 2019 11:06:03 GMT
Wow! Luke's narcissism was in full display tonight and in the preview. What Hannah wants and feels is irrelevant to him. All he cares about is what he wants. If she's saying something other than what he wants to hear, she must be confused. His behavior in the finale when he comes back is full-on stalker mode. "She was sadly mistaken?" Really? He thinks the only reason she told him to take a hike is because she thought he wouldn't fight for her. Nope, dude! It was because she finally got that you are all about you and don't really care about her experiences in the relationship!
I must say that in the daytime portion of the date, I could finally see the chemistry that they have that made it take so long for her to see the light. But boy, when she saw the light, she really saw it. And good for her for speaking to him so clearly about how she felt and why. Not that he heard any of it, but I think it was good for other women who are dealing with men like him to see her realize what was going on and stand up to him. (I know the topic was sex in this situation, but the dynamic on display could be about anything.)
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jul 16, 2019 12:45:10 GMT
I read both of their twitter accounts, and they both seem pretty childish taking their rant to twitter. Just my opinion.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 16, 2019 13:01:20 GMT
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Post by babbred on Jul 16, 2019 13:27:11 GMT
It seems Luke P opened a Twitter account just so he could see what Hannah was saying and try to clap back. He tried to shame her again, and she totally shut him down. What she said was clever, but if she were smart, she wouldn't engage at all. When she engages, he wins. She needs to just stop! Stop saying mean things about him. Stop replying to his tweets. Stop caring what he thinks. Stop giving him any power over you at all. people.com/tv/luke-p-talks-argument-the-bachelorette-hannah-brown-claps-back/
Seriously. If the guys in the mansion had ignored Luke all this time, we would all have been better off. Bullies only thrive when you give them the attention they want. And now both Hannah and Luke look like a pair of children having a fight on the playground. Really classy, guys.
He's coming back AGAIN? Has this ever happened before? And do you realize how creepy/disgusting this is that the TPTB are allowing him to come back? I mean, they have an army of people working on this show, including security. If, say, Luke found out on social media where they were filming and just randomly showed up, do you really think they would allow him to get within a mile of Hannah if they really wanted him gone? Absolutely no one comes out of this season looking good.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 16, 2019 14:32:33 GMT
It seems Luke P opened a Twitter account just so he could see what Hannah was saying and try to clap back. He tried to shame her again, and she totally shut him down. What she said was clever, but if she were smart, she wouldn't engage at all. When she engages, he wins. She needs to just stop! Stop saying mean things about him. Stop replying to his tweets. Stop caring what he thinks. Stop giving him any power over you at all. people.com/tv/luke-p-talks-argument-the-bachelorette-hannah-brown-claps-back/
Seriously. If the guys in the mansion had ignored Luke all this time, we would all have been better off. Bullies only thrive when you give them the attention they want. And now both Hannah and Luke look like a pair of children having a fight on the playground. Really classy, guys.
He's coming back AGAIN? Has this ever happened before? And do you realize how creepy/disgusting this is that the TPTB are allowing him to come back? I mean, they have an army of people working on this show, including security. If, say, Luke found out on social media where they were filming and just randomly showed up, do you really think they would allow him to get within a mile of Hannah if they really wanted him gone? Absolutely no one comes out of this season looking good.
Exactly, looks like he's in a limo and they're taking him there
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Post by fang2170 on Jul 16, 2019 19:33:42 GMT
Seriously. If the guys in the mansion had ignored Luke all this time, we would all have been better off. Bullies only thrive when you give them the attention they want. And now both Hannah and Luke look like a pair of children having a fight on the playground. Really classy, guys.
He's coming back AGAIN? Has this ever happened before? And do you realize how creepy/disgusting this is that the TPTB are allowing him to come back? I mean, they have an army of people working on this show, including security. If, say, Luke found out on social media where they were filming and just randomly showed up, do you really think they would allow him to get within a mile of Hannah if they really wanted him gone? Absolutely no one comes out of this season looking good.
Exactly, looks like he's in a limo and they're taking him there Anything for ratings...anything for drama....anything to make this season "The Most Intense and Shocking Season of the Bachelorette....EVER!!!" {said in my best Chris Harrison voice}
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 16, 2019 19:35:39 GMT
Nothing will change fang2170. Same blank, different day/show..
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 16, 2019 20:15:30 GMT
In his recap of last nights show, Reality Steve had this interesting perspective regarding Hannah and Luke's conversation:
"This is a conversation that never should’ve aired, or, been held behind closed doors and done in private. Yeah, it made for great soundbites all season and the show built it up from the very first promo of the season, but lets face it, any rational person that saw that last night realizes that should’ve been a conversation between the both of them that never made air. No different than Arie breaking up with Becca for 30 minutes. We screamed “Why did that have to be televised,” and same thing last night. Yes, I’m aware some of you are loving the fact that Luke got his on national television last night, and Hannah finally had her F-U moment to him that the audience has been waiting for all season. I get it. I’m just being practical here and telling you there was no point to air that last night because it was clear neither was never going to agree with the other person – but that’s exactly why they aired it because it was conflict."
(RS says a whole lot more--several long paragraphs worth that I'm not going to copy here--about how Hannah must have known all along how Luke felt about pre-marital sex, and RS thinks she overreacted somewhat for the cameras; but bottom line these were two people who were never going to agree on this issue. Neither one is wrong. They can both believe what they believe, but the clearly don't believe the same thing.)
In some ways, I agree; and in some ways, I don't. I get that it was an intimate, private conversation and it's very voyeuristic for us to be watching it. BUT I also think that it was important to see the resolution given the extent to which he was gaslighting, lying, and manipulating her all season. If we were going to see all of that, this felt like an important closure for the audience as well. And I think that's one reason that it's very different from watching all those minutes of Arie-Becca breakup video.
So bottom line, I have mixed feelings. How about you?
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 16, 2019 20:56:07 GMT
They don't have a choice in what is shown or do they? Remember, Arie tried to leave and he was told to go back, which only made it worse. We never hear them talk about their religion, that's private, but we know this is somehting they do discuss, if it's important to them, or not. Sexy/intimate talk, will always be on this show. I just wonder, just how far the boundaries will be pushed, to keep viewers or attract more viewers. I honestly didn't realise this show was on last night, and as I posted upthread, it looked kind of porn like( not that I watch that much porn) when she was on the massage table, all legs and what looked like naked bodies..think back, we never saw that much at one time, and so damn close. I guess it's what people want..
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jul 16, 2019 22:32:07 GMT
I hate that they're letting Puke come back again and hope it doesn't occupy a great amount of time in that episode. On another note, I thought Jed came off as looking the worst of the final 3. He's the least articulate and sounded like a high school boy when he was telling her how he felt about her decision-making. In some ways, he was doing some of what Puke did -- stating his disapproval of her behavior and that he expected her to be better than that. It wasn't as extreme, but there were some similarities, and it also made her mad, although apparently not permanently. I don't really get why she's so attracted to him and haven't really seen it in their interaction. Poor Tyler was the only one who didn't get any in the FS.
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Post by MissScarlet on Jul 17, 2019 3:40:15 GMT
In his recap of last nights show, Reality Steve had this interesting perspective regarding Hannah and Luke's conversation: "This is a conversation that never should’ve aired, or, been held behind closed doors and done in private. Yeah, it made for great soundbites all season and the show built it up from the very first promo of the season, but lets face it, any rational person that saw that last night realizes that should’ve been a conversation between the both of them that never made air. No different than Arie breaking up with Becca for 30 minutes. We screamed “Why did that have to be televised,” and same thing last night. Yes, I’m aware some of you are loving the fact that Luke got his on national television last night, and Hannah finally had her F-U moment to him that the audience has been waiting for all season. I get it. I’m just being practical here and telling you there was no point to air that last night because it was clear neither was never going to agree with the other person – but that’s exactly why they aired it because it was conflict." (RS says a whole lot more--several long paragraphs worth that I'm not going to copy here--about how Hannah must have known all along how Luke felt about pre-marital sex, and RS thinks she overreacted somewhat for the cameras; but bottom line these were two people who were never going to agree on this issue. Neither one is wrong. They can both believe what they believe, but the clearly don't believe the same thing.) In some ways, I agree; and in some ways, I don't. I get that it was an intimate, private conversation and it's very voyeuristic for us to be watching it. BUT I also think that it was important to see the resolution given the extent to which he was gaslighting, lying, and manipulating her all season. If we were going to see all of that, this felt like an important closure for the audience as well. And I think that's one reason that it's very different from watching all those minutes of Arie-Becca breakup video. So bottom line, I have mixed feelings. How about you? I have mixed feelings too. I got no satisfaction from watching Luke judge Hannah according to HIS standards. Nor did I get any from watching Hannah act all high & mighty & diminish his opinions & feelings (which he has just as much right to have as she has of hers). It was clearly 2 people who hadn't paid attention to the other earlier in this season & were judging each other according to what they thought the other should be, rather than accepting that they simply were different. I find fault with both of them & see them both to be unwilling to accept anyone who doesn't think like they do. As to Luke. I think he could benefit from some counselling from Sean Lowe as to how to behave & present yourself as a Christian. Sean was able to present himself & his Christianity on both The Bachelorette & The Bachelor while still being accepting of others & being "one of the guys" without compromising his principles. Luke needs to learn this. Hannah, well, the girl is a mess. As someone said about a previous Bachelorette: "Her picker is broken". Plus, if she's going to criticize others' choices & opinions, she needs to learn to accept their criticism of hers. From what I've read, I doubt I'll be watching next week's show. Sounds like nothing more than 2 very unpleasant hours. The pile-on trashing will be in full force. All around nothing more than a bunch of better-than-thous from all directions. Not my idea of a good time. However, the ATFR 2-parter should be a good watch.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 17, 2019 11:53:09 GMT
In his recap of last nights show, Reality Steve had this interesting perspective regarding Hannah and Luke's conversation: "This is a conversation that never should’ve aired, or, been held behind closed doors and done in private. Yeah, it made for great soundbites all season and the show built it up from the very first promo of the season, but lets face it, any rational person that saw that last night realizes that should’ve been a conversation between the both of them that never made air. No different than Arie breaking up with Becca for 30 minutes. We screamed “Why did that have to be televised,” and same thing last night. Yes, I’m aware some of you are loving the fact that Luke got his on national television last night, and Hannah finally had her F-U moment to him that the audience has been waiting for all season. I get it. I’m just being practical here and telling you there was no point to air that last night because it was clear neither was never going to agree with the other person – but that’s exactly why they aired it because it was conflict." (RS says a whole lot more--several long paragraphs worth that I'm not going to copy here--about how Hannah must have known all along how Luke felt about pre-marital sex, and RS thinks she overreacted somewhat for the cameras; but bottom line these were two people who were never going to agree on this issue. Neither one is wrong. They can both believe what they believe, but the clearly don't believe the same thing.) In some ways, I agree; and in some ways, I don't. I get that it was an intimate, private conversation and it's very voyeuristic for us to be watching it. BUT I also think that it was important to see the resolution given the extent to which he was gaslighting, lying, and manipulating her all season. If we were going to see all of that, this felt like an important closure for the audience as well. And I think that's one reason that it's very different from watching all those minutes of Arie-Becca breakup video. So bottom line, I have mixed feelings. How about you? I have mixed feelings too. I got no satisfaction from watching Luke judge Hannah according to HIS standards. Nor did I get any from watching Hannah act all high & mighty & diminish his opinions & feelings (which he has just as much right to have as she has of hers). It was clearly 2 people who hadn't paid attention to the other earlier in this season & were judging each other according to what they thought the other should be, rather than accepting that they simply were different. I find fault with both of them & see them both to be unwilling to accept anyone who doesn't think like they do. As to Luke. I think he could benefit from some counselling from Sean Lowe as to how to behave & present yourself as a Christian. Sean was able to present himself & his Christianity on both The Bachelorette & The Bachelor while still being accepting of others & being "one of the guys" without compromising his principles. Luke needs to learn this.Hannah, well, the girl is a mess. As someone said about a previous Bachelorette: "Her picker is broken". Plus, if she's going to criticize others' choices & opinions, she needs to learn to accept their criticism of hers. From what I've read, I doubt I'll be watching next week's show. Sounds like nothing more than 2 very unpleasant hours. The pile-on trashing will be in full force. All around nothing more than a bunch of better-than-thous from all directions. Not my idea of a good time. However, the ATFR 2-parter should be a good watch. Sean was very refreshing
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Post by ginger2 on Jul 18, 2019 7:21:24 GMT
If my memory serves me, I believe that there have been a couple o bachelors who got booted who showed up and tried to persuade the bachelorette to let them come back. I think on at least one occasion, one got the chance to return only to soon after get booted again. But, I don't think any showed up at the Rose Ceramony before. They went to the Bachorettes room instead and tried to persuade her there.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 18, 2019 11:52:23 GMT
If my memory serves me, I believe that there have been a couple o bachelors who got booted who showed up and tried to persuade the bachelorette to let them come back. I think on at least one occasion, one got the chance to return only to soon after get booted again. But, I don't think any showed up at the Rose Ceramony before. They went to the Bachorettes room instead and tried to persuade her there. Yes I think this will be a first. Hopefully the last because she had let him go once then let him come back. Then when she let him go again it was dramatic enough, why bring him back AGAIN!
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 18, 2019 19:10:03 GMT
If my memory serves me, I believe that there have been a couple o bachelors who got booted who showed up and tried to persuade the bachelorette to let them come back. I think on at least one occasion, one got the chance to return only to soon after get booted again. But, I don't think any showed up at the Rose Ceramony before. They went to the Bachorettes room instead and tried to persuade her there. Yes I think this will be a first. Hopefully the last because she had let him go once then let him come back. Then when she let him go again it was dramatic enough, why bring him back AGAIN! Because they will do anything to create the MOST DRAMATIC ROSE CEREMONY EVER! They have no shame, and Luke apparently is easily manipulated. I have no doubt that the producers told him that she only sent him home because she believed he wouldn't want her if she'd slept with someone else and she needed to know that he was all in.
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Post by MissScarlet on Jul 18, 2019 22:27:44 GMT
If my memory serves me, I believe that there have been a couple o bachelors who got booted who showed up and tried to persuade the bachelorette to let them come back. I think on at least one occasion, one got the chance to return only to soon after get booted again. But, I don't think any showed up at the Rose Ceramony before. They went to the Bachorettes room instead and tried to persuade her there. Yes I think this will be a first. Hopefully the last because she had let him go once then let him come back. Then when she let him go again it was dramatic enough, why bring him back AGAIN! Nope, it's not a first. In fact one guy actually won this way. Back in Jillian's season, Ed returned, I think, at Final 3, to ask to come back. Jillian let him & ultimately chose him as F1. The only difference is that Jillian didn't actually boot him earlier. He left of his own choice for some reason or other (work, family, or something unrelated, at least that's what he said). Then he came back to ask for another chance. At the time there were many speculations why: One was that she had already decided he was her pick before he left, and she wasn't interested in the ones left. In this speculation, Production contacted him & begged him to return to "save the season". They stayed together for a while after the show, so apparently there really was something there with both of them. Now that I think of it, I believe that Reed came back that season too, at the Final Rose Ceremony, but was sent away. It really bothers me that I remember all of that.
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Post by Arielflies on Jul 19, 2019 0:01:17 GMT
It bothers me, too, that you remember all that.
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 19, 2019 1:06:43 GMT
You're not the only one MissScarlet ! I totally remember the all the Ed-Jillian drama. She was so crazy about him, and I was so happy for her when he came back. Turned out he was a cheater and a cad, but I was happy for her in the moment. Reed was a nice guy. I liked him! Arielflies
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Post by babbred on Jul 21, 2019 0:23:48 GMT
Yes I think this will be a first. Hopefully the last because she had let him go once then let him come back. Then when she let him go again it was dramatic enough, why bring him back AGAIN! Nope, it's not a first. In fact one guy actually won this way. Back in Jillian's season, Ed returned, I think, at Final 3, to ask to come back. Jillian let him & ultimately chose him as F1. The only difference is that Jillian didn't actually boot him earlier. He left of his own choice for some reason or other (work, family, or something unrelated, at least that's what he said). Then he came back to ask for another chance. At the time there were many speculations why: One was that she had already decided he was her pick before he left, and she wasn't interested in the ones left. In this speculation, Production contacted him & begged him to return to "save the season". They stayed together for a while after the show, so apparently there really was something there with both of them. Now that I think of it, I believe that Reed came back that season too, at the Final Rose Ceremony, but was sent away. It really bothers me that I remember all of that.
Yes, but has any person shown up at the FRC after being booted? I haven't watched every season, but I can't remember someone coming back at the very end.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jul 21, 2019 4:30:22 GMT
Didn't Reid do that with Jillian? He brought his own engagement ring.
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 21, 2019 20:25:51 GMT
Didn't Reid do that with Jillian? He brought his own engagement ring. Hmm. I don't remember. Good question, and I hope somebody with a better memory than mine will know the answer. EDITED TO ADD: I couldn't stand not knowing, so I googled and found this video of what happened after Reid came back and proposed. (So you were right that he did it.) www.dailymotion.com/video/x9zo27
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