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Post by lonnie on Aug 22, 2019 1:31:21 GMT
When I heard some fans were going to boycott one of the cast, I assumed it was Ray Lewis. I hadn't heard about him, now I have.. Unfortunately some people are able to get away with murder.
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Post by lonnie on Aug 22, 2019 1:42:18 GMT
Hasn't the show had many many political figures on it in the past?
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Post by acookertv on Aug 22, 2019 2:01:49 GMT
Hasn't the show had many many political figures on it in the past? Yes, and some polarizing ones too. Tom Daschle comes to mind. They’ve done a good job of keeping the partisanship away from the show. I think they can do that with Spicer too.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Aug 22, 2019 6:37:16 GMT
I see where Tom is coming from, and appreciate what he said. However, I think that he and Erin, as well as the producers, have a lot of room to keep it escapist tv. For however many weeks Spicer is on, they can. Present him as a Trump guy, or more generically as a former press secretary. They can ask him what the White House thinks of his dancing, or they can ask him how hard it is for a guy whose never performed. Just because he had the job he did doesn’t mean they have to let it be political. The problem a lot of people have with it is, they don't want to forget what they know/believe and let someone like a Spicer or a Ray Lewis or Odom into their light escapist TV. The show is meant to be comfort food and this kind of stunt casting leaves some people wondering if they can live with themselves for participating in it. Yes that sounds dramatic, but take one look at social media and that's what you will see, all over the place. More arguing and division.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 22, 2019 9:50:03 GMT
I see where Tom is coming from, and appreciate what he said. However, I think that he and Erin, as well as the producers, have a lot of room to keep it escapist tv. For however many weeks Spicer is on, they can. Present him as a Trump guy, or more generically as a former press secretary. They can ask him what the White House thinks of his dancing, or they can ask him how hard it is for a guy whose never performed. Just because he had the job he did doesn’t mean they have to let it be political. The problem a lot of people have with it is, they don't want to forget what they know/believe and let someone like a Spicer or a Ray Lewis or Odom into their light escapist TV. The show is meant to be comfort food and this kind of stunt casting leaves some people wondering if they can live with themselves for participating in it. Yes that sounds dramatic, but take one look at social media and that's what you will see, all over the place. More arguing and division. Fair point, but then who holds responsibility for that negativity - the producers, or the viewers who refuse to let go of a grudge? This sort of casting is not new for the show. They've had other stars cast who bring some baggage to the screen including Tucker Carlson, Tom Daschle, Bristol Palin, Ryan Lochte, Heather Mills, Kate Gosselin. Some of them have even used the show to be their mea culpa and reset their image with the public. Sorry - I don't buy into this mindset in our culture these days that once you've done one thing wrong, there's no tolerance, no forgiveness. It's not a good look. So if the show wants to be a neutral part of not participating in that, I'm okay with it. If they have Spicer give commentary defending the president each week, they will have gone in the wrong direction. But if they just have him dance and laugh about how he struggles, okay. Image rehab is an integral part of the show for many who are cast.
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Post by ibot2much on Aug 22, 2019 11:40:52 GMT
Apparently, the producers' idea of "exciting" is a few lumps in the oatmeal.
Saw that Sharna is not on the pro list. ET asked DWTS about the pro champion being gone and their reply was that it is not uncommon for the pros to leave for a bit and then come back.
Sharna, however, responded that she was deeply disappointed that she was not invited to return this season......now that kind of deception is some raisins and spice in the oatmeal.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 22, 2019 12:41:40 GMT
Is it possible that Sharna wanted a big fat raise after winning?
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Post by ibot2much on Aug 22, 2019 12:52:15 GMT
That may be possible....or is it her age? They are bringing in very young dancers and Sharna is not.
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 22, 2019 15:08:14 GMT
That may be possible....or is it her age? They are bringing in very young dancers and Sharna is not. I think that's it. Maybe because she won,they think she's a favourite I really enjoy her..I saw what she posted regarding not being asked back.:-(
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Post by Critical on Aug 22, 2019 22:02:28 GMT
Hasn't the show had many many political figures on it in the past? Yes, and some polarizing ones too. Tom Daschle comes to mind. They’ve done a good job of keeping the partisanship away from the show. I think they can do that with Spicer too. Tom Daschle wasn't ever on DWTS. Do you mean Tom DeLay? VERY different sides of the aisle there. I'm sure Daschle would be horrified at being mistaken for DeLay! Rick Perry and Bristol Palin - both politically polarizing figures - have been on the show. Odd that only conservative political figures have been on this show I don't think they've done a good job of keeping politics away. They CAST these people. They don't need to do anything else. We all know why they've been cast and how they're famous. If Spicer hadn't worked for Trump and was still just the communications director for the RNC, the producers wouldn't have any interest. They're able to put (conservative) politics on the show without even really talking about it. Casting Ray Lewis is a colossally stupid decision in light of his history. Same with Lamar Odom. If he relapses and is using during the season, they're going to be in big trouble. I really feel for his partner.
They seem to really be trying to make changes in order to wipe away the controversy over last season. I'd guess that's why Sharna isn't back this season. She's a visual reminder of a really controversial, and to MANY viewers, unworthy winner. I don't think it has much to do with her age. Sharna is really popular and there are other pros on this upcoming season who are around her age or older - Cheryl, Val and Peta are all 33-35 years old.
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 22, 2019 22:33:08 GMT
Well I doubt Spicer will last long, and I'm sure i'll enjoy some supreme music
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Post by MFWalkoff on Aug 22, 2019 22:40:40 GMT
Yes, and some polarizing ones too. Tom Daschle comes to mind. They’ve done a good job of keeping the partisanship away from the show. I think they can do that with Spicer too. Tom Daschle wasn't ever on DWTS. Do you mean Tom DeLay? VERY different sides of the aisle there. I'm sure Daschle would be horrified at being mistaken for DeLay! Rick Perry and Bristol Palin - both politically polarizing figures - have been on the show. Odd that only conservative political figures have been on this show I don't think they've done a good job of keeping politics away. They CAST these people. They don't need to do anything else. We all know why they've been cast and how they're famous. If Spicer hadn't worked for Trump and was still just the communications director for the RNC, the producers wouldn't have any interest. They're able to put (conservative) politics on the show without even really talking about it. Casting Ray Lewis is a colossally stupid decision in light of his history. Same with Lamar Odom. If he relapses and is using during the season, they're going to be in big trouble. I really feel for his partner.
They seem to really be trying to make changes in order to wipe away the controversy over last season. I'd guess that's why Sharna isn't back this season. She's a visual reminder of a really controversial, and to MANY viewers, unworthy winner. I don't think it has much to do with her age. Sharna is really popular and there are other pros on this upcoming season who are around her age or older - Cheryl, Val and Peta are all 33-35 years old.
(Bolding by me) If they are trying to wipe away the stain of last year's result, why are they casting people like Spicer who is probably 10% as skilled as the unskilled Bobby Bones? He admittedly offers no potential to grow as a dancer, and he has none of the charm of an entertainment figure like Bones. Spicer will be a slick talker who will try to ingratiate himself with Tom since he went public with his feelings on the casting. And in the end, any votes cast for/against him will likely run along political lines. It's the same old mess from previous seasons. Those changes to the scoring they have promised had better be significant ones.
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Post by Critical on Aug 23, 2019 0:35:09 GMT
Tom Daschle wasn't ever on DWTS. Do you mean Tom DeLay? VERY different sides of the aisle there. I'm sure Daschle would be horrified at being mistaken for DeLay! Rick Perry and Bristol Palin - both politically polarizing figures - have been on the show. Odd that only conservative political figures have been on this show I don't think they've done a good job of keeping politics away. They CAST these people. They don't need to do anything else. We all know why they've been cast and how they're famous. If Spicer hadn't worked for Trump and was still just the communications director for the RNC, the producers wouldn't have any interest. They're able to put (conservative) politics on the show without even really talking about it. Casting Ray Lewis is a colossally stupid decision in light of his history. Same with Lamar Odom. If he relapses and is using during the season, they're going to be in big trouble. I really feel for his partner.
They seem to really be trying to make changes in order to wipe away the controversy over last season. I'd guess that's why Sharna isn't back this season. She's a visual reminder of a really controversial, and to MANY viewers, unworthy winner. I don't think it has much to do with her age. Sharna is really popular and there are other pros on this upcoming season who are around her age or older - Cheryl, Val and Peta are all 33-35 years old.
(Bolding by me) If they are trying to wipe away the stain of last year's result, why are they casting people like Spicer who is probably 10% as skilled as the unskilled Bobby Bones? He admittedly offers no potential to grow as a dancer, and he has none of the charm of an entertainment figure like Bones. Spicer will be a slick talker who will try to ingratiate himself with Tom since he went public with his feelings on the casting. And in the end, any votes cast for/against him will likely run along political lines. It's the same old mess from previous seasons. Those changes to the scoring they have promised had better be significant ones. IMO, those are separate things. They've always cast people who would bring in viewers, for good or bad. In the end though, one of the top dancers has always won. What I'm talking about is a controversial result that they seem to be trying to distance themselves from. BB wasn't necessarily controversial as a casting choice (I thought he was an untalented jackass, but that's just personal preference). He became controversial as he continued to stay, week after week, while increasingly better dancers were eliminated. I'm not happy about Spicer either, but I also don't think he'll be around for more than 2 or 3 weeks. I'm actually less happy about Ray Lewis, in particular, than Spicer, in part because he has the potential to go farther in the competition.
I agree, that I really hope the changes they've made will be significant, at least in preventing another crappy dancer from winning. If doing away with the troupe is one of their "improvements," I don't have a lot of hope :mm
I rarely read, much less quote USA Today, but I think this article gets it right:
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Post by acookertv on Aug 23, 2019 1:11:36 GMT
Yes, and some polarizing ones too. Tom Daschle comes to mind. They’ve done a good job of keeping the partisanship away from the show. I think they can do that with Spicer too. Tom Daschle wasn't ever on DWTS. Do you mean Tom DeLay? VERY different sides of the aisle there. I'm sure Daschle would be horrified at being mistaken for DeLay! Rick Perry and Bristol Palin - both politically polarizing figures - have been on the show. Odd that only conservative political figures have been on this show I don't think they've done a good job of keeping politics away. They CAST these people. They don't need to do anything else. We all know why they've been cast and how they're famous. If Spicer hadn't worked for Trump and was still just the communications director for the RNC, the producers wouldn't have any interest. They're able to put (conservative) politics on the show without even really talking about it. Casting Ray Lewis is a colossally stupid decision in light of his history. Same with Lamar Odom. If he relapses and is using during the season, they're going to be in big trouble. I really feel for his partner.
They seem to really be trying to make changes in order to wipe away the controversy over last season. I'd guess that's why Sharna isn't back this season. She's a visual reminder of a really controversial, and to MANY viewers, unworthy winner. I don't think it has much to do with her age. Sharna is really popular and there are other pros on this upcoming season who are around her age or older - Cheryl, Val and Peta are all 33-35 years old.
You’re right and I stand corrected. Totally got the wrong Tom! I knew I was talking about the big mouth from Texas and totally got the name wrong! Oops!
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Post by ibot2much on Aug 23, 2019 13:24:30 GMT
I did see that Cheryl is back and she is an "older" dancer....but to me she always gives out a youthful presence. While all the pro costumes are skimpy, I always find Sharna's to be very sexy. I think she exudes a sultriness that is older than the other female dancers.....and that may be why she comes across as different and older than the other women.
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Post by MissScarlet on Aug 23, 2019 21:34:33 GMT
I just saw the cast listing & I actually know who many of them are. That doesn't mean much, but so often I don't. As far as the cast goes, I don't see any big changes from the show. We'll wait 'till it airs to see if the show is where the changes are. However, I doubt it. I hope they go back to the old ways of stressing what dance the couples are supposed to be doing, and docking them points if they don't do them. I'm sick of these Theme Nights & free for all dances instead of proper ballroom dances with proper required moves. Freestyles are great at the end when they've shown they've learned the moves, but not all the way through. Plus some of these "styles" they've introduced in recent years seem unjudgable - no specific moves.
As to the cast I have a few predictions: Somewhere along the line Christie Brinkley will be dancing to Uptown Girl. Mary Wilson will be dancing to a Supremes song. Hannah will have a windmill based routine. This is ABC Reality TV after all. It's all predictable.
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Post by denz on Aug 24, 2019 15:10:10 GMT
I'm pulling the plug on this show. It used to be a wonderful escape. I will not watch a program with Spicer, Odom, and Lewis. There are plenty of other likeable human beings/stars out there.
Perhaps DWTS can have another offshoot of their program. They did the kids version and the athletes version. They could do a country star version or a Disney/ABC actor version or, hey here's an idea, a "star" in need of image rehabilitation version.
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Post by Critical on Aug 28, 2019 19:24:55 GMT
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Post by ibot2much on Aug 28, 2019 20:53:45 GMT
I did see that on ET when they mentioned Sharna not being on the show. They did mention Artem getting the same treatment----no warning.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 29, 2019 3:06:41 GMT
That seems really messed up to keep them waiting like that and just dump them last minute.
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Post by Arielflies on Aug 29, 2019 4:35:11 GMT
What upsets me is no troupe this season. That was a wonderful way to transition wonderful dancers into the culture. All of the younger pros have come from the troupe. So, does that mean that the teaching pros are going to do all the extraneous dances this season such as "welcome back from commercial". I, however, refuse to stress out before the first episode.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Aug 29, 2019 9:43:21 GMT
It probably means that they will only hire as many extra dancers as they need per show, without contracts. Which would be pretty cold.
There comes a point where if the cost-cutting gets this bad, maybe it's time to call it a day.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 29, 2019 9:44:14 GMT
For long time dancers like Artem and Sharna who are dropped out of the blue, it seems heartless. But from a casting standpoint, does it need to be that way? It seems evident that the pairings of stars to pros is not random. Some stars seem to agree to do the show if they get a particular pro. Others are paired based on certain strengths in teaching that can balance challenges that some stars face. So I can see where the producers need to have more potential pros than they end up casting. Im sure that money also plays in there. So is it possible that finding out last minute is part of the game? I'd totally agree that finding out should come from producers, and not by hearing a cast list and finding out you're not on it. But I can somewhat understand why there would not be a lot of notice.
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Post by MissGriss on Aug 29, 2019 19:23:36 GMT
For long time dancers like Artem and Sharna who are dropped out of the blue, it seems heartless. But from a casting standpoint, does it need to be that way? It seems evident that the pairings of stars to pros is not random. Some stars seem to agree to do the show if they get a particular pro. Others are paired based on certain strengths in teaching that can balance challenges that some stars face. So I can see where the producers need to have more potential pros than they end up casting. Im sure that money also plays in there. So is it possible that finding out last minute is part of the game? I'd totally agree that finding out should come from producers, and not by hearing a cast list and finding out you're not on it. But I can somewhat understand why there would not be a lot of notice. The really rotten thing about the way the show handled things is what's said in this quote by Nikki Bella from the article Critical posted: "...all the dancers have been "on hold" with the show since March. They don't give them compensation for it. They've been all unemployed since March. Here they're going to start to get their paychecks again in less than a week and they cut them and they get no compensation," she vented. "That made me really upset because how do you put people on hold and then cut them last minute? They missed out on fall jobs, all the fall gigs are booked. That part to me was so unfair. Cut them and give them compensation." I can see how the show might say "We can't use you this time around" for all the reasons you stated acookertv , but it sounded like they were permanently let go, which is really strange.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 29, 2019 19:56:12 GMT
I have not gotten the impression in what I've read that they are cut permanently though. If the show was about to book a big name that they really wanted to have - like lets say that the top star of the summer olympics next year was willing to do the show, but only if Artem or Sharna was the partner - I think that they'd hire them again instantly if Sharna or Artem was willing to do it.
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Post by Cuddles on Aug 29, 2019 21:29:23 GMT
Bottom line for me is if the pros feel like they are being mistreated (and they do), the producers have lost their way.
Between first not heading Tom's advice, and now this, they're imploding what was once a perfectly good program.
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 29, 2019 21:31:34 GMT
Bottom line for me is if the pros feel like they are being mistreated (and they do), the producers have lost their way. Between first not heading Tom's advice, and now this, they're imploding what was once a perfectly good program. Sorry to say, but
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Post by Critical on Aug 29, 2019 23:24:04 GMT
I haven't seen anything so far to indicate that Sharna has been permanently given the boot from the show. It does sound like that was Artem's situation - either he was explicitly told he wouldn't be back OR he just got the sense that that was the case. Whether it's just one or it's both of them, I think letting ANY popular pro go is a mistake. I always thought Artem was pretty popular and I know that Sharna is among the most popular of the pros. I just don't believe it's about age. I don't think they've ever had a problem with a pro staying at the party too long. Dancers know their bodies. When they're a step too slow, they know it. Look at Maks. Even though he's not old by "civilian" standards, he is getting up there as a dancer. In his last season or two, he talked about how he didn't have the stamina he once had. I would be surprised (although happy) to see him do another season. Ultimately, show business is a BUSINESS and stuff like this is when it really becomes obvious that the emphasis for the folks in the big offices isn't on the "show" part. DWTS has been on for so any seasons and, after the backlash against last season, maybe they feel like they need to whatever they can to save the show. IMO, it feels a bit desperate and misguided. Some reality shows get cast for drama, but this doesn't need to be one of them, IMO. Like everyone else, I'm really disappointed about the news that there won't be a troupe this year. I always loved seeing them in every episode and I was always really happy when one of them got promoted to pro. MissGriss - that was the part of the article that really ticked me off. They're all expected just to sit around and wait, with NO indication of whether or not they'll actually be on the show? Sorry, but I don't think they're probably making enough money on this show to fund that much time off. Hopefully, they're able to make money from social media and small gigs to tide them over. Regardless, it's a pretty cut throat way to behave when you're dealing with employees who've been there (in some cases) for a decade
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Post by Critical on Aug 31, 2019 21:09:39 GMT
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 1, 2019 7:14:59 GMT
I can't remember where I saw it, but the show has hired two new dancers, a male and female who are married !or at least a couple). So they clearly weren't downsizing the number of pros, which has to make it feel even worse for Artem and Sharna.
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