9/15 BB21 Sunday Episode Discussion

Not going to watch tonight....no way. They turned off the feeds, and we pay for them just to watch it on tv.

That was the fight? I know that was highly edited. It had to be.

I vote to evict Holly's pink leggins

waywyrd votes to evict Holly's red & gray flannel hoodie.

It's a tie. 

Who's going to break it?

The only point Jackson had that would have struck me (being Nicole or Cliff), was how many votes Tommy already has in the jury. Especially with Christie in there talking him up. That would've intimidated me into voting him out.

But I do feel sorry for Tommy with that argument. Jackson was talking outta both sides of his mouth!

Interesting how they show Jackson telling Cliff again that he wants to go to final 3 with him and Nicole, while also saying "this never should have happened, if they only would've kept their word" about final 4. It's okay if Jackson lies and doesn't follow through, but not when others do it.

Am I the only one who's 20 minutes behind? The show started late here.

All I know is if Michie and Holly are final 2 I’m done

Despicable game, we all saw it....with a little luck, it might all be for nothing.

You won’t turn your back on Holly, yet a week ago you were cold and refusing to talk to her, and you told C/N to vote her out.

I want Nicole to win the game SO bad I can't stand that we have to wait another 10 days.  

C’mon Holly, tell us one more time how you should not have had to drop and give HoH to Nicole. This is why I want Nicole to take you to F2 and win.

I'll admit to wondering if Cliff's belly has always been that big, or if it's been growing. NOT fat shaming, just curious -- as we age, the metabolism slows so maybe he's been gaining weight in there (like Jackson has).  

Goodness gracious, I guess I'm the only one here rooting for Jackson to win. In my opinion, he's earned it! I don't have to like his method, but his back was to the wall and he explained his reasons very well in the diary room interviews. I think he hated doing the lying he did, but honestly, Cliff and Nicole did double-cross him and Holly first, and would have taken each other to final two over either of them. Cliff was also plotting over Nicole so he doesn't get extra brownie points from me. The promises they made Jackson and Holly make were ludicrous, and shouldn't have been necessary. Nicole should have just trusted her gut and voted Holly out when she got the chance. How either Nicole or Cliff could think that Jackson would vote out Holly over Cliff is mind-blowing. The HOH competition was laughable. seeing Jackson having to tell Holly throughout that she had to drop. Holly was mortified that she had to do it for the sake of their game. Since none of the jury will get to see the Diary Room interviews until after the finale, they won't know how conflicted Holly and Jackson felt about what they had to do. In other seasons, we've had contestants that also had to lie and scheme in order to not be voted out. Some have even been applauded for their game-play. Tommy appeared to be disappointed that he was voted out in the way he was, but also understands BB is a game with a large payoff for only one. I think he will continue to be friends with all of them after the show because all of them appear to generally like one another. If the final two by some miracle happens to be Nicole and Michie, she still could win if jury is a bitter jury. Holly could also for the same reason. But, IMO, Jackson deserves to win and probably will win. It will be an astonishing outcome if he loses to either of the final two. But Nicole is a shoe-in for America's favorite contestant.

How? Paul was a jerk and lost.Tyler wasn't a jerk and still lost.

I. waited, I didn't want to watch yesterday.
Is Jackson an @ss, yes, but is he playing this game? Yes, 100%. Nicole knew he was lying, he has a tell when he lies, she saw that, and still went along with it,  really as HOH she should of put her foot down. She' has a great read on people.
If Cliff and Nicole had given more thought to why Holly would/should be in the F4, they would have voted her out, and that's down to Cliff. At this point,they are all playing to win, and although Cliff disappointed  me, he was making side deals as much as Jackson.
There had to be a lot more to the argument between Jackson and Tommy. Tommy has wanted Cliff out, so  Jackson  mixed the truth with a lie. 
I would love Nicole to win this game, I think if she was F2, she would give the jury a lot to think about.

Watching the challenge for HOH, I couldn't believe how blatant Jackson was, in telling Holly what to do. Fall! Are you going to throw this? On and on..she should of gone back on her word, but she'd rather be his bed buddy than win this game. jmho

I think Cliff is blinded by hope.  He never expected to make it as far as he did. When he was voted out early on, he figured it came with the territory of being the old guy, and accepted his fate. He never expected to win the battle back. He never expected to outlast the strong players that he did. He never expected Jackson and Holly to align with him and Nicole. He'd accepted he didn't have a chance, and then things just kept going his way. So he started to believe that all of the things he'd hoped for would come true, and that included Jackson being a great ally. Isolation does crazy things to the mind, and did a number on Cliff.
It also can't be forgotten that Cliff has done his share of bailing on allies to take care of himself, and so he likely figures Jackson would do the same. He bailed on Jessica when it made sense for him. He's been willing to bail on Nicole if it meant Jackson would take him further.