And Kellee made a point of saying she didn’t want to speak up because it would turn around and put a target on her. Kellee, Janet, and Jamal were the shining stars tonight. Shame on those other girls, shame on Aaron for his arrogance, and I spit on Dan. We saw the footage.
This made me sick. Women want to be believed, but then they denied saying anything? These women are a disgrace to their gender. Don't say if it's not true. Don't deny it if it is. And don't make the person trying to help you look and feel like a fool.
Never have I been so abhorred, so disgusted, by what I just watched in a reality show. Kellee's concerns and discomfort being dismissed. Dan not getting so much as a slap on the wrist despite accusations with ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF PROOF! Janet being vilified for trying to help others in what is a very serious and concerning issue. Missy, Elizabeth and Lauren using it all to further their game and further vilify Janet. Aaron rolling his eyes at Janet and acting like he's so disgustingly superior and thinking he knows everything while he essentially calls both Janet and Kellee liars and treats them like dirt. The fact that absolutely nothing was done about this at all. How these people who caused this have the gall to say you have to "separate the game from real life", when the damn game IS real life. I have nothing but contempt and genuine hatred for Aaron, Missy, Elizabeth, Lauren, Dan and basically anybody who's not Janet, Kellee, Jamal and Karishma right now, and I wish them all the absolute worst in this life. I hope that nobody ever "let's this go" on Dan, or any of those others.
This is why women hesitate to come forward! This is the kind of thing that makes it so creeps can get away with that kind of behavior and what leaves the victims and those who stand by them and for them feeling defeated and helpless! My chest is tight, my hands are shaking and I have tears welling in my eyes, I am just so upset!
I can't even with this episode..I mean, come on. Missy and Elizabeth are liars.We saw them complaining about Dan...and we saw Dan being creepy..we saw Kellee have a 2 hour conversation with Missy about Dan's inappropriate touching.
Janet you rock. Aaron, shut the heck up, not every woman, runs to every man. Jamal, I wished you'd stayed. Go Janet, win this thing, the only person that was right, and didn't piss me off tonight. I was so angry.
Kudos to Jeff, saying, yes Dan, we will keep bringing this up!!!
This isn't gameplay, it's why women don't come forward. I imagine this was a very long TC. Kellee thought she was way, way smarter than she was.Two Idols Kellee, two??? Sheesh. If Janet doesn't win this, I'll be very upset.
Dan was SO lucky that the person he'd made the most uncomfortable got voted out, and the movement died with her. He's a talent agent, and you'll never convince me that he doesn't get handsy like that with his female clients.
They just proved Kellee's point about why women are afraid to speak up. It's more than a lot messed up that Kellee is gone and Dan is not. I liked Missy and Elizabeth until tonight. Aaron with his arrogance can get lost. I'm so glad TPTB showed all the evidence along with the conversation between Missy and Elizabeth where they were talking between themselves about feeling uncomfortable with his touching before they decided it was all game play.
How did Janet end up as the villain for trying to do the right thing. What did Aaron say about her playing the victim card? I may have to rewatch that.
I also thought it was messed up that because Kellee was on the jury she had to listen to Dan's "apology" as he explained away his behavior by the close quarters they were in. My husband said that he wrestles people all the time and his hands don't end up where Dan's hands did. It's not that he was touching them in an inappropriate sexual manner, it's that he was touching them at all, especially after Kellee told him not to. As she said - if you have to ask if it's okay, then it's not. The producers should have stepped in and stopped it already, without Kellee needing to go to them. It's pretty obvious from the footage they had that she was uncomfortable already. We know from prior footage that it was already being talked about by others. It was inappropriate touching because he was already asked not to.
Good for Jamal for telling stupid Aaron that the women wouldn't necessarily have told them.
None of this was ok. This episode was horrible. I thought they should have removed Dan when Kellee was crying in her confessional, not asked her if she wanted them to do something. She had already told him back at the beginning that she didn't want him to touch her, and there he was playing with her hair. It was just all terrible. Poor Janet. She just got the shaft over all of it. She was the best person in this whole episode (and Jamal, who's now gone). This season just went down the tubes quick.
As difficult as it was to watch, I think this was an exceptionally outstanding episode precisely because of the footage the producers were able to show. What part of the difficulty woman have, especially in the corporate world, was not revealed? What a wonderful discussion and teaching tool this could be. Jeff must have been scrambling before TC to decide how far they would be able to go with this. How much of Dan's gropings had they already catalogued?
Scum Dan may just now be learning how much evidence there was against him. Kudus to Jamal. Shame on Kellee for not playing an idol (it was in her control - she would have sent Dan home!), so I'm not very sympathetic she had to watch from the sidelines.
I can't stand Jamal & was glad to see him go, but he was right on with his comments at TC last night.
I've been in a situation at a previous job that I loved where one of the owners was making lewd comments to me & groping me (grabbing my butt, pulling the neckline of my scrub top out to "see what's under there".) This went on for almost a year & I never told anyone at work & I definitely didn't tell my husband until we moved 800 miles away because IDK what he would have done. Anyway, long story short, I heard another girl make a comment at work about how this doctor was trying to look down her top & I was in shock. I just blurted out "he does that to me too!" & then some of us started talking to each other & come to find out that there was at least 4 of us he was doing & saying inappropriate things to. We talked to HR & they wanted us to file a formal complaint but none of wanted to because even though they tell you it's confidential, we know it never stays that way & none of us wanted to rock the boat. But we just looked out for each other to make sure none of us ever were alone with him after that.
Any Survivor fan is beaming with joy for a 2 hour episode especially when we know its the Merge. But as soon as we got the viewer discretion advised warning at the beginning I knew we were in for a rough night. I knew that at some point Dan's offensive behavior would be brought up again because going back to the premiere I knew they showed us the scene of him with Kellee telling him how uncomfortable she felt was for a reason. I knew this was going to come up again and be brought to the surface.
This is a serious issue and you would think the fact that Dan already got a warning from production and the fact that they talked to each player individually about this, I dont know why Dan kept saying why wont we just let this go.... like seriously are you kidding me? I love Jeff Probst for telling Dan No I will never let it go! I don't know Dan personally I think he clearly has been a very touchy feely person for years and just never realized how uncomfortable it really mad people feel until now, but I really hope this was a huge wakeup call for him.
Another really sad thing about this is that Missy and Elizabeth were shown using Kellee's feelings a very serious moral issue they decide to use that and play it up as strategic game play. Them doing this just goes to show that some people are willing to do whatever it takes to win money, but you have to know where to draw the line. I felt soooo bad for Janet, like sooooo bad. Like she said its not even about being blindsided by the vote, but she literally voted for Dan for moral reasonings to protect these women and the way they did her was wrong on so many levels. I'm glad she didnt quit the game, but its certainly understandable in this situation why she would have wanted to leave. Aaron really offended me the way he came off at tribal as well saying janet was playing the victim. He totally missed the point and i hope he gets it now after rewatching this. Jamal is amazing, and what he said at tribal really sent chills. I think outside of this issue the Island of Idols twist really ruined his game, you see a parchment and lose your vote, and have to make a fake advantage like obviously thats going to ruin him.
Kellee played an amazing game despite leaving with two idols i hope to see her back some day because she truly deserves a second chance. I was really hoping they allowed her to speak up for herself at tribal council, this of all situations should have been one they made that exception. If i were her I probably would have spoke up anyway.
Man guys this season was so amazing pre merge but it went way downhill after this double episode tonight, a lot of people i was rooting for in the beginning i have a very bad taste in my mouth about them. But we are all human and i really hope they learn from this. Not everything should be about money there are so many things so much bigger than money. Sexual assault or any behaviors leaving one uncomfortable is a very serious issue that should never be taken lightly or used to take advantage of someone its just NOT ok.
Janet might not win this season but shes won me over as a person and I have nothing but the utmost love and respect for her, Jamal, and Kellee.
I really liked Elizabeth up until this episode. She admitted she felt perfectly safe around Dan, yet pretended to feel sexually harassed to further her game. That's just wrong -- and Missy encouraging her to say that wasn't much better. There are certain lines in life you do not cross, and that's one of them. Pretending to feel threatened and sexually harassed only hurts the credibility of people who actually are.
I'm bias when it comes to Kellee getting voted off. Her move to get rid of Jack was brilliant, but Jack was my favorite of all the players. I wanted him to win. Kellee getting voted off was manna from Heaven.
Hopefully Dan will be gone soon and a sense of normalcy will return to the game.
They should've just kicked Dan out, rather than beating him into the ground and then saying "actually we're good now." Erik from Caramoan tweeted that Brandon was actually ejected, and just for the RISK of becoming violent, so it wouldn't be unprecedented for them to proactively kick someone who's displayed a consistent pattern of credible threats to players' safety. Really they should just do like they did with Alec in DvG; not have him at the reunion, and pretend he doesn't exist. He's said his piece, and made all the excuses in the world for why he's lived almost 50 years and never learned personal boundaries - anything else out of his mouth is just propaganda. Hopefully this all will encourage the women he's harasses outside of Survivor to come forward.
Argh! I'm halfway through and so frustrsted! Kellee went home with not one, but two idols in her pocket. What good does it do to find them if you don't use them? ETA: Do you think the girls didn't realize how serious this accusation could be or that they just didn't care? I was so angry at the way they treated Janet. I liked Missy before tonight but now want Janet to win. I think this issue was handled very poorly. Wonder how Dan is doing in the real world now? Did everyone fall for his speeches?
They can't fall for his speeches if they saw the rest of the footage.
I remember thinking that Kellee's protestations in the first episode about his touching her were kind of lame, that she was being overly sensitive. Yikes, I didn't appreciate how out of line he was until this week. And now we know it is something that production warns about from the very beginning. I believe there is also a rule that you can't get into fisticuffs with another participant, so if Kellee had wanted to deck him, she might have been tossed.
As far as Elizabeth saying it wasn't a problem and if it was she would have told him to stop, Kellee did tell him to stop and he didn't. I think that was part of Kellee's frustration, something that the others didn't share that I'm aware of.
I didn't realize a "producer" is always there 24/7. I thought it was just cameramen after hours.
When Kellee found the second idol, I thought for a moment they were showing us different footage of her finding the first idol. It wasn't until she said she now had two idols that I realized it. I'm not sure why she was even looking for another hidden immunity idol when she already had one, and I REALLY don't know why she didn't play one at tribal council since she knew she had another one! Her stupidest move in the game cost her everything.
As for Dan, he'd already been told much earlier in the game that he was being too handsy, yet he continued invading the girls' personal space. I don't think we ever saw him invading the personal space of the guys or excessively touching them.
When Dan said he works with mostly women, I cringed thinking if his behavior on the show indicates anything, he's probably being touchy-feely with them, too. How many of them feel that he's been inappropriate with them and have either been afraid to say anything or have said something and he's continued doing it anyway? It doesn't matter if his intentions aren't meant to be sexual or threatening. If someone tells you your actions are making them uncomfortable, you have to respect that and stop!
I think the show handled it well. Jeff brought it up for discussion at tribal council, over Dan's objections, and production got involved so it was addressed head-on without affecting the game too much. It was still up to the contestants to decide if Dan should stay or go and he wasn't voted out so there's your answer.