Brooks
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Post by Brooks on Nov 15, 2019 16:10:48 GMT
It kind of smells of Aaron and Missy and Elizabeth being in touch with each other and trading notes about it. The apologies are too similar, but important they made them. Aaron does look heartfelt. I hope it gives Kellee and Janet some closure.
Certainly there would have been discussion about this at Ponderosa, which would give Kellee an outlet to make sure the others understood what had happened. Too bad Dan probably made it to Ponderosa, or is he a goat to be taken to final TC?
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Post by justCoz on Nov 15, 2019 16:40:08 GMT
It's great they're offering apologies now, but they should have been more aware it wasn't only about game play when the producers had a big meeting with them about the situation. I don't think that happens on a normal basis. How much flack have they been catching since the episode aired? I imagine it's a lot. Brooks their apologies are similar. I wonder if they hired a PR person to help them draft their apologies.
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Post by FannyMare on Nov 15, 2019 17:26:06 GMT
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Post by Gutmutter on Nov 15, 2019 17:54:46 GMT
Just sickening.
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Post by AZChristian on Nov 15, 2019 18:26:48 GMT
Kellee played an amazing game despite leaving with two idols i hope to see her back some day because she truly deserves a second chance. I second that suggestion!!!
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Post by badseed on Nov 15, 2019 23:31:40 GMT
All kinds of apologies on social media after the show this week...but not a peep from Dan. Hm. . I’d be happy to never hear a peep from Dan again, I just know his apology would be full of deflections and self-praise. From watching Tribal Council, his takeaway, at best, is that Kellee is overly sensitive, and that he doesn’t need to change his behavior toward anyone except the specific women who tell him they’re uncomfortable. It’s gross that he says his industry has “allowed” the #MeToo movement to flourish. News flas Harvey Weinstein, that’s not a good ting, and moreover it’s false - the brave women who came forward, and will now forever be known as rape accusers, ar ethe ones who allowed it to flourish. I’m glad he’s dark on social media, because I’d definitely say something I’d regret.
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Post by justCoz on Nov 16, 2019 0:31:42 GMT
All kinds of apologies on social media after the show this week...but not a peep from Dan. Hm. . I’d be happy to never hear a peep from Dan again, I just know his apology would be full of deflections and self-praise. From watching Tribal Council, his takeaway, at best, is that Kellee is overly sensitive, and that he doesn’t need to change his behavior toward anyone except the specific women who tell him they’re uncomfortable. It’s gross that he says his industry has “allowed” the #MeToo movement to flourish. News flas Harvey Weinstein, that’s not a good ting, and moreover it’s false - the brave women who came forward, and will now forever be known as rape accusers, ar ethe ones who allowed it to flourish. I’m glad he’s dark on social media, because I’d definitely say something I’d regret. I agree. Dan was offended that Jeff wasn't just going to let it drop. He thought because Kellee left that his problems left with her. It's obvious from his "apology" to her that he thought it was all in her head. About the only thing the producers did right in this situation was to show the footage of him touching them, especially Kellee. I wonder if Jeff had seen tapes and that's why he kind of snapped back that no, he wasn't going to drop it. Dan's stupid reasoning about his industry allowing the #metoo movement to flourish is ridiculous on so many levels, not the least of which is that the term "casting couch" comes from his industry. While I realize that others were voting for Kellee for other reasons, it's messed up that she's the one who left. It's like they proved her point that to even bring it up was going to be detrimental to her game. Because she was suspicious about not being safe, per her question to Lauren, I think she would have played an idol on any other night. Because she really thought they were voting Dan out she felt safer than she normally would have. Shame on the producers for letting that all play out that way. They should have given Dan a warning clear back at the beginning when Kellee first said something about it. They obviously didn't do anything real to protect her, just kept filming him touching her. My husband asked why she didn't haul off and punch him when he couldn't keep his hands off her after being told several times. I told him that she might have been kicked out of the game then for hitting someone. How completely messed up is that?
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Post by FannyMare on Nov 16, 2019 6:03:38 GMT
i.redd.it/05kgwolbvuy31.jpgJanet tweeted, maybe she played her idol, because Tommy let her know, her name was going to be written down..
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Post by photobabe on Nov 16, 2019 12:36:31 GMT
I'm glad Janet twittered that Tommy "was huge" in supporting her at tribal. He has been a favorite of mine and I was wondering where he stood in all this.
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Post by FannyMare on Nov 16, 2019 18:47:57 GMT
I'm glad Janet twittered that Tommy "was huge" in supporting her at tribal. He has been a favorite of mine and I was wondering where he stood in all this. I would have liked to of heard , what he had to say. I've liked Tommy from the start, I'll root for him and Janet.
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Post by keepitreal on Nov 16, 2019 22:11:05 GMT
Didn't Kellee say that she was uncomfortable with Dan, but not uncomfortable enough for her to want to vote out Dan before Missy? If that bit of information got around there would be a number of people who would have thought that the game came before whatever Dan was doing, especially if his most vocal critic was willing to endure it a few days longer in order to get out a game threat.
I think production made a mistake leaving him in the game or not warning him earlier when so many transgressions were caught on tape.
I hated that Missy and Liz conversation so much, and I hate even more how they left Janet out to dry afterwards.
I officially love Janet now. Just love her. She was the one and only person who handled the situation with the urgency and decisiveness that it deserved. Not production, not the players, just Janet. I also loved Jamal's speech. Jamal had a lot of missteps this season but that was one of his finer moments.
It says a lot that Dan survived not one but two tribals after the controversy.
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Post by beerbelly on Nov 16, 2019 22:47:32 GMT
Agreed. I love Janet! Jamal's response to what Aaron said was perfect.
Dan, even in tribal, touched Noura trying to show how he touches someone, it looked as if he almost near her breast. I can imagine he won't ever learn to keep his hands to himself.
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 1:46:25 GMT
I have just finished the first hour or so the merge episode and am kinda confused and disgusted.
During the merge feast they some Dan touching Missy and she made a comment about it, the other girls talked to each other about it. Kellee's confession was to the point the producer told her they were concerned about it. The even noted that the cast was talked to as a group, and individually, and Dan specifically was told about it and given a warning. Then it looked as if Liz was going to use that talk about Dan to get votes against Dan. At that point I was that is disgusting. It Dan is doing something inappropriate that is one thing, but to use that talk as a strategy to vote someone out just feels into the stereotype of women accusing men of doing something they did not. Janet took it seriously and used it to power her vote. However what confuses at this point is that all these folks have had a talk from production. So afterward on the beach why is this all of a sudden a surprise to Dan? What got me going is after Janet talked to him, and he later talked to his alliance they all acted as if Janet had lied to him and made it up. Even later after Janet talked to Liz and Missy in front of Dan, Liz admitted she did said she was uncomfortable. What got me was Dan acting as if this was all news to him. Was the editing bad or what?
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Post by dagwood on Nov 17, 2019 1:48:02 GMT
I hate that Dan gets to say how sorry he is and make excuses for his behavior, but Kellee is sitting on the jury and can't open her mouth and call him on his BS. Yes! And that those other girls aren't being called out on their "game play" either. That pisses me off more than anything. What they did was complete BS.
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 3:26:59 GMT
OK, finished watching the entire episode. Again CONFUSED. Did the producers not say they talked to everyone about this? This was done before Kellee elimination so why oh why does everyone act as if this information about Dan is news at the next Tribal Council? Then to see Aaron roll his eyes at Janet, basically accusing her of lying, of doing trying to ruin Dan's reputation for gameplay when that is exactly what the other females did. I wanted to kick Aaron and some of the other males off at that moment. And Dan this is news to him after he was supposedly talked to??
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 3:27:43 GMT
Total sidebar: Dean voted off Kellee. Where is the loyalty? What a douche.
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 3:55:43 GMT
. I’d be happy to never hear a peep from Dan again, I just know his apology would be full of deflections and self-praise. From watching Tribal Council, his takeaway, at best, is that Kellee is overly sensitive, and that he doesn’t need to change his behavior toward anyone except the specific women who tell him they’re uncomfortable. It’s gross that he says his industry has “allowed” the #MeToo movement to flourish. News flas Harvey Weinstein, that’s not a good ting, and moreover it’s false - the brave women who came forward, and will now forever be known as rape accusers, ar ethe ones who allowed it to flourish. I’m glad he’s dark on social media, because I’d definitely say something I’d regret. I agree. Dan was offended that Jeff wasn't just going to let it drop. He thought because Kellee left that his problems left with her. It's obvious from his "apology" to her that he thought it was all in her head. About the only thing the producers did right in this situation was to show the footage of him touching them, especially Kellee. I wonder if Jeff had seen tapes and that's why he kind of snapped back that no, he wasn't going to drop it. Dan's stupid reasoning about his industry allowing the #metoo movement to flourish is ridiculous on so many levels, not the least of which is that the term "casting couch" comes from his industry. While I realize that others were voting for Kellee for other reasons, it's messed up that she's the one who left. It's like they proved her point that to even bring it up was going to be detrimental to her game. Because she was suspicious about not being safe, per her question to Lauren, I think she would have played an idol on any other night. Because she really thought they were voting Dan out she felt safer than she normally would have. Shame on the producers for letting that all play out that way. They should have given Dan a warning clear back at the beginning when Kellee first said something about it. They obviously didn't do anything real to protect her, just kept filming him touching her. My husband asked why she didn't haul off and punch him when he couldn't keep his hands off her after being told several times. I told him that she might have been kicked out of the game then for hitting someone. How completely messed up is that? I would be impressed if he had actually apologized to Janet directly not to the cast for being an a$$ to her during tribal. The rest of the cast did not deserve an apology from him.
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 3:57:42 GMT
After reading Jeff's interview in EW and seeing Liz and Missy's internet responses posted here, I do agree with other posters they look very similar. CBS lawyers helping them out a bit?
So where is Dan's mea culpa?
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Post by beerbelly on Nov 17, 2019 4:00:58 GMT
Loved your commentary Bear, and yes, where is his mea culpa? Also, I didn't realize that Dean voted for Kellee.
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 4:10:59 GMT
Loved your commentary Bear, and yes, where is his mea culpa? Also, I didn't realize that Dean voted for Kellee. Thanks. What does confuse is we are about 8 weeks into Survivor with 2 sets of double episodes and the Dan touching has been in a lot of storylines from the very beginning and it came to a head after the merge with interesting TCs and yet it does not feel finished. At this point I think I am only rooting for Janet and Elaine and the rest can go hang.
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Post by beerbelly on Nov 17, 2019 14:03:29 GMT
Agreed. I'm all about Janet and that's it.
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Post by photobabe on Nov 17, 2019 14:13:49 GMT
Janet, Elaine, and Tommy for me. The rest can go ASAP. Sadly, those three will probably be the next 3 voted off.
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Post by FannyMare on Nov 17, 2019 14:28:55 GMT
Janet, Elaine, and Tommy for me. The rest can go ASAP. Sadly, those three will probably be the next 3 voted off. My three choices as well. I don't want anyone else to win, just karma.
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Post by Brooks on Nov 17, 2019 15:05:51 GMT
I do agree with other posters they look very similar. CBS lawyers helping them out a bit? Isn't there a restriction on what they are allowed to say publicly before they are voted off? CBS may well have coached them on the limited things they could mention.
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 17:25:31 GMT
I do agree with other posters they look very similar. CBS lawyers helping them out a bit? Isn't there a restriction on what they are allowed to say publicly before they are voted off? CBS may well have coached them on the limited things they could mention. All they had to do was apologize. This was not about revealing anything in the game. However, I do think all the players knew this was coming and had CBS Lawyers help them with the apologies.
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Post by allysense on Nov 17, 2019 19:07:04 GMT
Total sidebar: Dean voted off Kellee. Where is the loyalty? What a douche. At least, he should have given her a heads up.
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Post by FannyMare on Nov 17, 2019 19:11:30 GMT
Total sidebar: Dean voted off Kellee. Where is the loyalty? What a douche. At least, he should have given her a heads up. It's a game, is he loyal,no,but he wanted to keep playing I guess. Kellee wanted Jack gone, Dean was her guy, to vote him out. Maybe he felt he owed her nothing after that. Some players forget, the jury is all about them winning.
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 19:14:32 GMT
After reading a couple of articles about this situation ... especially Jeff Probst's inveterate in EW where he stated that Liz and Missy did not have the knowledge of what had happened to other players. However, they did make a plan and told Janet that they needed to get rid of Dan because of inappropriate touching knowing that as the 'mom' of the group she would do something about it. Liz made up and demonstrated how Dan had touched her. That was crossing a line. After the TC that Kellee was eliminated when Janet told Dan why she voted the way she did, and then Dan asked Missy and Liz about they lied and said it was Janet game playing. That is what I had a problem with. It was only after Janet faced the ladies again and made them tell the truth. I wonder if this will effect the game going on. Like I said before what I really found abhorint was the way the tribe especially the men turned on Janet.
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Post by Bearcata on Nov 17, 2019 19:16:57 GMT
At least, he should have given her a heads up. It's a game, is he loyal,no,but he wanted to keep playing I guess. Kellee wanted Jack gone, Dean was her guy, to vote him out. Maybe he felt he owed her nothing after that. Some players forget, the jury is all about them winning. Everyone that has made it to the winners circle has had one person they could trust in the game. It is too soon to cut lose in a tribe of 13. Dean could have saved Kellee and been part of a power move but instead he is a coat tail rider.
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Post by badseed on Nov 18, 2019 16:40:12 GMT
I do agree with other posters they look very similar. CBS lawyers helping them out a bit? Isn't there a restriction on what they are allowed to say publicly before they are voted off? CBS may well have coached them on the limited things they could mention. . Definitely coached. CBS can add new “off-limits” subjects on the fly. They also can’t confirm or deny that this was the last of the incidents that Dan caused - could be more in future episodes.
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