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Post by MissGriss on Mar 5, 2020 23:02:49 GMT
Lots of craziness going on today in spoiler land! Reality Steve finally did a post today about what he's heard happens.(See summary below.) But as soon as he posted, he started getting all sorts of calls from people telling him that what he said wasn't right, and the ending is totally different. His original sources are sticking to their story, so he's not sure what to believe.
Here's what he posted: 1. Madison leaves before final rose ceremony. 2. He tells Hannah Ann that he needs to talk to Madi before making his final decision. (Supposedly the logic for this is so that she doesn't feel like he chose her because he didn't have any other option, but to me, the fact that he had to talk to Madi first would indicate she's not his first choice anyway, so it seems kind of cruel to keep her hanging on.) 3. He goes to talk to Madi, and it's not an easy sell. She feels hurt and betrayed and isn't ready to let him back in. 4. He decides at some point to pursue Madi and tells Hannah Ann that (which is likely the "I'm so, so sorry!" scene. 5. He then has to work to regain Madi's trust and win over her family. (I think RS said that he basically had to go through her family to get to her. Not sure exactly what that means, but it wasn't a simple process like Arie showing up on Lauren's doorstep and her immediately taking him back.) It seems to have taken quite an effort over an extended period of time to get back to a place of trust. 6. Madi and Peter are dating now, so what Chris said about even Peter not knowing the ending is word-play about the idea that Peter might propose on the second night of the finale and doesn't know if she'll say yes. But there's no unknown as far as them being in a relationship.
So those are the details he gave this morning, but now people are telling him it's not right. He says there aren't stories about it being someone other than Madi or Hannah Ann, but some people are saying he's with Hannah Ann, so.... Guess we won't know for sure till Monday or Tuesday.
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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 9, 2020 3:42:38 GMT
That's how it's ALWAYS been. This isn't a recent change - it's status quo. It's also not new for the Bach to sleep with women outside of the overnights. Yeah, Nick (and other recent Bachelors) did it, but so did Bob (he reportedly slept with five of the women on his season). Sean was the outlier in this franchise....oh, and Byron, who didn't sleep with Tanya on the overnights back when they only had two overnight dates.
Really though, these are grown adults who are comfortable with their sexuality. If everyone is consenting and practicing safe sex, then I'm not judging. Maybe I take issue with their taste in partners, but grown adults in 2020 should not have to apologize for having a libido. It's not 1952.
Yeah, Peter may have blown it with Madison, but if he's Mr. Sex, maybe she isn't the right match for him to begin with I can't fault him for wanting to make sure the sexual chemistry is there before potentially proposing. Just because you have a spark and attraction, that doesn't mean it's going to be there in the bedroom (source: personal experience). Someone can tick all the boxes but, if the physical component isn't there, the rest of it doesn't matter, IMO. Madison is free to hold herself to whatever standards she likes, but she's incredibly naive if she went on this show expecting the same from Peter.
I agree with the bolded but my point was that I believe Peter knew Madison was the one before the Fantasy Suites, so why sleep with Hannah and Victoria? Especially Victoria, wow.. I'll admit I really hadn't watched until last night but I couldn't believe he kept Victoria, too much drama with that girl! That's because he's as serious about finding a wife as he was when he left his ex just to come on the show. What does that tell you? Every season they already know who they like best and who they're going to pick. He looks like even more of a cad for sleeping with whoever knowing quite well that he wasn't going to pick them. If you tell a woman on this show, I'm not going to pick you, but we should do it anyway, think she'll go for it? Nope!
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 9, 2020 5:11:09 GMT
I agree with the bolded but my point was that I believe Peter knew Madison was the one before the Fantasy Suites, so why sleep with Hannah and Victoria? Especially Victoria, wow.. I'll admit I really hadn't watched until last night but I couldn't believe he kept Victoria, too much drama with that girl! That's because he's as serious about finding a wife as he was when he left his ex just to come on the show. What does that tell you? Every season they already know who they like best and who they're going to pick. He looks like even more of a cad for sleeping with whoever knowing quite well that he wasn't going to pick them. If you tell a woman on this show, I'm not going to pick you, but we should do it anyway, think she'll go for it? Nope!Exactly...!!!!
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Post by indy1945 on Mar 9, 2020 19:27:46 GMT
Don't know what just happened to my post, but here is what RS is saying now.
Some things wrong but the ending is the same. Peter's mother is actually referring to Hannah Ann when she says, bring her home. Madison leaves and when CH comes to say, we've just learned something it is that Hannah Ann is thinking about leaving. Peter gets engaged to Hannah Ann at the final rose ceremony but they are not broken up and he is not with her. He leaves to pursue Madison. RS says the relationship is not as solid as he once was told (surprise, surprise) but they are together. Madison will be with Peter at the live ATFR but he doesn't know what will happen then. I have always liked the home towns and meeting with the parents but I may just ffwd through all this junk. What a mess. So glad it is almost over with!
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 9, 2020 19:58:03 GMT
I've never seen such a season (mess) as this one...
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 9, 2020 20:15:43 GMT
I've never seen such a season (mess) as this one... Can't say that I'm terribly shocked, though, since Peter has been super indecisive throughout the entire show.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 9, 2020 20:21:47 GMT
I've never seen such a season (mess) as this one... He's very chummy( very) with a producer as well..lol [/quote]
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Post by julief on Mar 9, 2020 21:06:23 GMT
Now I get why the people who are connected with the Bachelor----Chris Harrison, Becca/Rachel on their podcast, etc. seem so snotty and anti-Madison. They're resentful that she spoiled their happy ending with the ultimate "cool girl."
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 10, 2020 3:09:23 GMT
UGH!!! I haven't finished watching, but I just have to come here and say how irritating it is to see people push someone to choose the person that they don't really want. I saw it happen with Jason. I didn't watch Airie's season, but apparently his family pushed him toward Becca, and now Peter's family is pushing Hannah Ann.
I totally get (and agree with) what they are saying about all the differences and challenges that are in the way with Madi, but it's also very clear that she is who his heart is with. Why push him into a situation he wouldn't choose on his own. It just hurts Hannah Ann. True, he and Madi probably won't make it, but why hurt Hannah Ann in the process?
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 10, 2020 3:21:38 GMT
UGH!!! I haven't finished watching, but I just have to come here and say how irritating it is to see people push someone to choose the person that they don't really want. I saw it happen with Jason. I didn't watch Airie's season, but apparently his family pushed him toward Becca, and now Peter's family is pushing Hannah Ann. I totally get (and agree with) what they are saying about all the differences and challenges that are in the way with Madi, but it's also very clear that she is who his heart is with. Why push him into a situation he wouldn't choose on his own. It just hurts Hannah Ann. True. He and Madi probably won't make it, but why hurt Hannah Ann in the process? It's the nature of this show. I don't recall it being so cruel, but it probably was...
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 10, 2020 3:30:19 GMT
UGH!!! I haven't finished watching, but I just have to come here and say how irritating it is to see people push someone to choose the person that they don't really want. I saw it happen with Jason. I didn't watch Airie's season, but apparently his family pushed him toward Becca, and now Peter's family is pushing Hannah Ann. I totally get (and agree with) what they are saying about all the differences and challenges that are in the way with Madi, but it's also very clear that she is who his heart is with. Why push him into a situation he wouldn't choose on his own. It just hurts Hannah Ann. True. He and Madi probably won't make it, but why hurt Hannah Ann in the process? It's the nature of this show. I don't recall it being so cruel, but it probably was. It was. There have been some extremely cynical and cruel bits of manipulation over the years where I've seen them push someone away from the person they clearly wanted to choose, and it was all to create "a good story" for the show.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 10, 2020 3:38:28 GMT
It's the nature of this show. I don't recall it being so cruel, but it probably was. It was. There have been some extremely cynical and cruel bits of manipulation over the years where I've seen them push someone away from the person they clearly wanted to choose, and it was all to create "a good story" for the show. Well quite frankly , yes the families should be able to meet them, but they shouldn't be so involved. We all know they are part of the storyline now..they don't eat, they often drink too much,and some are very easily swayed
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 10, 2020 4:17:58 GMT
It was. There have been some extremely cynical and cruel bits of manipulation over the years where I've seen them push someone away from the person they clearly wanted to choose, and it was all to create "a good story" for the show. Well quite frankly , yes the families should be able to meet them, but they shouldn't be so involved. We all know they are part of the storyline now..they don't eat, they often drink too much,and some are very easily swayed I've read that the producers spend quite a bit of time with the families (both before the hometown dates and with the lead's family at the end) talking with them and "prepping" them to be tuned into the hot issues in a way that makes them think it was their concern/idea rather than something planted by producers. In this case, I think all of the concerns with Madi and Peter are valid, but the extent to which the family is pushing him toward Hannah Ann is just over the top!
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Post by MissScarlet on Mar 10, 2020 4:49:01 GMT
I get the feeling that this is what Production was trying to do with Colton, but he wouldn't go for it. He refused to let them control what he did. Therefore, he hopped the fence & walked off the show 'till they let him make his own decision. I admire Colton for that.
Too bad Peter is so darned spineless.
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Post by karna68 on Mar 10, 2020 13:37:43 GMT
It's the nature of this show. I don't recall it being so cruel, but it probably was. It was. There have been some extremely cynical and cruel bits of manipulation over the years where I've seen them push someone away from the person they clearly wanted to choose, and it was all to create "a good story" for the show. Yes, Chris Soules comes to mind
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Post by indy1945 on Mar 10, 2020 15:13:11 GMT
I'll bet that scene with Peter's mother crying again is when Peter breaks up with Hannah. Peter needs to cut the apron strings and move on. Although I doubt Peter and Madison will made it, how would you like to have Barbara as a mother-in-law now after seeing how she was pushing Peter towards Hannah Ann.
I think that I read where Colton realized he was being manipulated with the producers and didn't fall for their tactics. Good for him.
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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 10, 2020 15:29:12 GMT
I saw that clip on Kimmel where he kind of shuts his mother down. I thought it was funny and apropos. His mother is over the top.
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Post by carolb57 on Mar 10, 2020 18:36:41 GMT
So Peter and Madi are not engaged but are dating? That sounds like a normal situation for a change!
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Post by Gutmutter on Mar 10, 2020 19:33:17 GMT
I’m guessing it’s so he can propose tonight live,
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 10, 2020 19:37:06 GMT
I’m guessing it’s so he can propose tonight live, This show has seen many proposals, it's the one thing this and BIP love. I think most couple go along with it, then carry on as they were.
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Post by waywyrd on Mar 10, 2020 20:04:57 GMT
I’m guessing it’s so he can propose tonight live, Oh Lord, I hope not. Those two are not a good match.
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Post by Realitychick on Mar 10, 2020 20:28:35 GMT
I hope not either. I like Madison just not with Peter. I am sure Peter aka Gumby will find his Pokey one day but he needs to focus on finding that spine he is missing...
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Mar 10, 2020 22:46:33 GMT
I really don't understand why either woman (or any other) is attracted to him, unless they're desperate to be engaged, and Madi should want to get as far away from his mother as possible. Plus, the fact remains that he did not care about her feelings when she said it would upset her for him to sleep with the other finalists. As she told his mother, she didn't tell him what to do, just was honest about how it would make her feel. Knowing that, he would also know that it would jeopardize his relationship with her, that she might walk away, and he was more than willing to risk that for sex with two other women. I would lose respect for her if she allows him to treat her that way but still wants him.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 10, 2020 23:26:44 GMT
I really don't understand why either woman (or any other) is attracted to him, unless they're desperate to be engaged, and Madi should want to get as far away from his mother as possible. Plus, the fact remains that he did not care about her feelings when she said it would upset her for him to sleep with the other finalists. As she told his mother, she didn't tell him what to do, just was honest about how it would make her feel. Knowing that, he would also know that it would jeopardize his relationship with her, that she might walk away, and he was more than willing to risk that for sex with two other women. I would lose respect for her if she allows him to treat her that way but still wants him. Maybe if his mother had a daughter, she'd think a lot about what Madison said. I wish Madison would walk away and stay away. She keeps coming back..
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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 11, 2020 0:20:07 GMT
I’m guessing it’s so he can propose tonight live, Oh Lord, I hope not. Those two are not a good match. Yeah, they're not going to make it. I almost feel bad that Hannah Ann is getting a pity proposal. Almost.
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Post by Girly18 on Mar 11, 2020 17:06:15 GMT
There was no press after the finale which is a first but makes sense. Jimmy Kimmel on finale night, GMA and Live with Kelly the next morning. My DVR did say yesterday he would be on Live with Kelly today but he wasn't.
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Post by Critical on Mar 11, 2020 21:40:02 GMT
But....but.... how will Victoria F get more bikini screen time?
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 11, 2020 22:05:10 GMT
But....but.... how will Victoria F get more bikini screen time? BIP?
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Post by Critical on Mar 11, 2020 22:17:37 GMT
They were planning on a Summer Games series because of the Olympics, just like they did with the Winter Olympics two years ago.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 12, 2020 0:02:52 GMT
They were planning on a Summer Games series because of the Olympics, just like they did with the Winter Olympics two years ago. Right. I think FannyMare was saying that Victoria can always get in her bikini time on BIP. I kind of wonder if they're going to have to cancel BIP, too. Even if they're secluded at the resort, it still seems like traveling there and trying to do any kind of dates that are offsite would be tough right now. I guess we'll see where things are when summer comes. Regarding Summer Games, I'm also wondering if the Olympics will happen. Johnny Weir just posted that the World Figure Skating Championships, which were supposed to happen next week in Montreal have been cancelled. And I just saw that the March Madness games will be played without an audience in attendance.
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