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Post by FannyMare on Mar 28, 2019 17:44:36 GMT
They teased us with Rebecca adding Miguel on FB earlier in the season. They are saving that story for next season per Many Moore. We did get to learn that she has been single for the past 7 years since Jack's passing. So either that is true or she may be keeping her relationship private at that time. Thankfully the Randall/Beth story will be wrapped up in the finale.I do hope so, I'm so over them. I still can't believe she's a dance teacher after so many years. It was must see TV last season,now, not so much..
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Post by Critical on Mar 29, 2019 2:26:57 GMT
I haven't like Beth for a while now. What does she expect Randall to do?? He just got elected and now it looks like he's going to have to resign before really getting to work because she won't put her dream on hold or find another way to follow her dream of dancing while holding down a better-paying job. I applauded Randall when he said what he did about her finding her destiny 20 years too late (or something to that effect). I liked this show better in the beginning, when there were a lot of funny, heart-warming moments to balance the darker moments. It seems like anymore there's more drama and much less warmth so I'm finding the show depressing rather than enlightening and uplifting. Maybe NOT run for city council in a completely different state? I thought that was insanely unreasonable and, sorry, stupid. Beth even asked him not to (because she clearly understood what it would require from him AND from her), but he did it anyway. Now he's upset because she's not ready to just let his entire life and his wants supersede hers? I've loved Randall from the beginning, but they've ruined his character.
I've deleted the last two episodes from my DVR. I think I'm done. I just don't like any of these people any more. Kate's baby storyline is terrible, Kevin's running on that same old hamster wheel and they're now breaking up Beth and Randall? Meh
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Post by MFWalkoff on Mar 31, 2019 21:51:24 GMT
I don't think they are breaking up Beth and Randall. They're giving them a rough patch because the season finale is coming up and they need big finishes and/or cliffhangers. And to me it's a story that they would have had to tell eventually, because deep down, these are the people who Beth and Randall are. He is usually either in a mania of happiness or has crippling anxiety attacks, and she is an ambitious career woman who knew she was taking on someone who would need more nurturing than she was planning to give. But that doesn't take away from the love they have for each other -- circumstances are making this this toughest point in their marriage. He's manic and she's hurt. I actually liked this episode a lot, but I had sit through it to the end before I decided that I did. But that last scene, when they mixed in young Randall listening in on a similar fight Jack and Rebecca had when she started singing again, sold me on the whole thing.
But they do need to figure out what to do with Kevin -- he's just going in circles.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Apr 2, 2019 14:37:28 GMT
Chris Sullivan (Toby) was on Live this morning, talking about the season finale tonight. He said there are clues in it about how the entire show will end. The ending has already been planned, and he said they're filming some final scenes. I wonder how many years they're planning the show to run.
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Post by JustJuls on Apr 2, 2019 17:00:54 GMT
Doesn't sound like very much longer if they are already filming it
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Post by holly on Apr 2, 2019 17:49:24 GMT
I haven't watched it since the episode where they tried to force Nick into rehab. I'm just reading the comments on here to see if it's worth watching again. It's still on my DVR, but I haven't bothered to watch any of the episodes.
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 2, 2019 17:59:55 GMT
I still like it. I guess there are only so many flashbacks they can do. And I'm not sure we need to see their lives go on and on.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Apr 3, 2019 15:52:57 GMT
Anyone watch last night? I watched but am going to rewatch the end to see what the hints are for the future. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE END OF THE SEASON FINALE, DON'T READ THIS! We already know Beth has her own dance studio. Everyone is going to visit Rebecca. New information/clues: Was that big house at the end one of the family member's homes, or was it a facility where Rebecca is being cared for? For purposes of convenience, I'll call it the "home." We see that Kevin has a little boy who, in the fast forward, seems about 10 years old. Toby comes to the home alone but refers to the others (I assume meaning Kate and child ... Are he and Kate separated or divorced?) being on the way. We see Rebecca looking about 15 years older than the oldest version of herself we've seen, long gray hair, staring blankly, in a bed, not recognizing Randall. Sitting next to her is Nicky, not Miguel. Intriguing! Certainly Miguel could have passed away, but how does it come about that Nicky is by her side? Apparently this has been going on for a while, as no one seems surprised or very upset.
Does Rebecca's illness have something to do with the car accident we saw? Maybe brain damage contributing to dementia? There had to be some reason for writing about her car wreck. What else did you notice in terms of hints for the future? I'm probably forgetting a few things. Oh, the Pin The Tail On The Donkey game. Was it the Big 3's birthday?
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Post by MissScarlet on Apr 3, 2019 17:52:55 GMT
Anyone watch last night? I watched but am going to rewatch the end to see what the hints are for the future. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE END OF THE SEASON FINALE, DON'T READ THIS! We already know Beth has her own dance studio. Everyone is going to visit Rebecca. New information/clues: Was that big house at the end one of the family member's homes, or was it a facility where Rebecca is being cared for? For purposes of convenience, I'll call it the "home." We see that Kevin has a little boy who, in the fast forward, seems about 10 years old. Toby comes to the home alone but refers to the others (I assume meaning Kate and child ... Are he and Kate separated or divorced?) being on the way. We see Rebecca looking about 15 years older than the oldest version of herself we've seen, long gray hair, staring blankly, in a bed, not recognizing Randall. Sitting next to her is Nicky, not Miguel. Intriguing! Certainly Miguel could have passed away, but how does it come about that Nicky is by her side? Apparently this has been going on for a while, as no one seems surprised or very upset. Does Rebecca's illness have something to do with the car accident we saw? Maybe brain damage contributing to dementia? There had to be some reason for writing about her car wreck. What else did you notice in terms of hints for the future? I'm probably forgetting a few things. Oh, the Pin The Tail On The Donkey game. Was it the Big 3's birthday? I watched, but didn't catch some of what you did, so thanks for the info. I caught the Kevin's son bit, so apparently he somehow manages to have at least 1 child. The breakup came as no surprise to anyone. Also, Toby mentioned "Jack" by name, so we know he makes it through the difficult birth situation & grows up to a teen, although Kate's name was never mentioned, so that is left uncertain. In both last night's & previous flash forwards, Toby seemed down & maybe even depressed, so there's that. Kate not being there did stand out. In previous flash forwards, plus in recent episodes, Randall & Beth's future was looking uncertain, even last night, they were both frowny faced up until he kissed her & made it very clear that their marriage survives just fine. But where's Deja? I did like her giving Randall advice last night. Nice how what goes around comes around. As to Nicky, I didn't catch that at all. I assumed that was Miguel. When Randall called him Nicky, I thought he said Mickey, which I assumed was nickname for Miguel. That struck me very odd though, because nobody has ever called him that. Having it be Nicky would explain that. But as you implied Where's Miguel? I also didn't catch the Pin The Tail On The Donkey. I wish I had taped the show, but I didn't. I'd like to rewatch to see what else I missed. All in all a decent finale to a downer of a season.
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Post by rockytopchick on Apr 3, 2019 17:55:54 GMT
Toby said something when he got there about how Kevin's house is so huge, so I assume that is Kevin's house
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 3, 2019 17:57:19 GMT
I thought when Toby said, they are on the way, something had happened to Kate
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Post by Girly18 on Apr 3, 2019 18:14:10 GMT
The creators have said it will most likely end after 6 seasons since they know the ending. So we have a few more years to go.
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 3, 2019 18:44:32 GMT
The creators have said it will most likely end after 6 seasons since they know the ending. So we have a few more years to go. I don't know , if it will hold my interest that long..
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Apr 3, 2019 18:45:38 GMT
Chris Sullivan (Toby) was on Live this morning, talking about the season finale tonight. He said there are clues in it about how the entire show will end. The ending has already been planned, and he said they're filming some final scenes. I wonder how many years they're planning the show to run.Dan Fogelman, series creator, has said the show will run for 6 seasons. 3 down and 3 more left. Toby was not wearing a wedding ring so I wonder if he and Kate are divorced? Also, I'm guessing that the flash forward where Nicky is in the bedroom with Rebecca means that Miguel has passed on. I believe that flash forward is supposed to be either 15 or 20 years ahead. Miguel was probably Jack's age and Rebecca was 6 years younger than Jack. Present day Rebecca is around 68 so in that flash forward she is either 83 or 88. I was delighted to see that future Kevin now has a son of his own. We only saw the back of Kevin's young son but it was uncanny how much he sounded like the young actor who plays pre-teen Kevin in the show. Future Beth was wearing her engagement ring so I assumed she and Randall were still married but elsewhere I read that maybe she was engaged and/or married to someone else. That thought had not crossed my mind. IDK what the pin the tail on the donkey game or the sidewalk chalk was for. It's been surmised that Rebecca has Alzheimers. Mandy Moore has said 'no' but Dan Fogelman has neither confirmed or denied. Why else would Randall say "It"s Randall, your son."?
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Apr 3, 2019 18:51:35 GMT
Anyone watch last night? I watched but am going to rewatch the end to see what the hints are for the future. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE END OF THE SEASON FINALE, DON'T READ THIS! We already know Beth has her own dance studio. Everyone is going to visit Rebecca. New information/clues: Was that big house at the end one of the family member's homes, or was it a facility where Rebecca is being cared for? For purposes of convenience, I'll call it the "home." We see that Kevin has a little boy who, in the fast forward, seems about 10 years old. Toby comes to the home alone but refers to the others (I assume meaning Kate and child ... Are he and Kate separated or divorced?) being on the way. We see Rebecca looking about 15 years older than the oldest version of herself we've seen, long gray hair, staring blankly, in a bed, not recognizing Randall. Sitting next to her is Nicky, not Miguel. Intriguing! Certainly Miguel could have passed away, but how does it come about that Nicky is by her side? Apparently this has been going on for a while, as no one seems surprised or very upset. Does Rebecca's illness have something to do with the car accident we saw? Maybe brain damage contributing to dementia? There had to be some reason for writing about her car wreck. What else did you notice in terms of hints for the future? I'm probably forgetting a few things. Oh, the Pin The Tail On The Donkey game. Was it the Big 3's birthday? I just posted before reading everyone else's thoughts on last night's show. It is definitely Kevin's big house in the flash forward. I did not catch it the first time but watched the ending again. Toby walks in and it is apparent that he has not been to Kevin's house before: "Kevin's house is huge. Thanks for the call. I got the sidewalk chalk and I just talked to Jack and they're on their way. "
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Apr 3, 2019 19:06:53 GMT
Some things that bugged me about the show last night:
- Jack not being able to feed his kids a simple dinner. Corn sandwiches? Come on, now, who has heard of anything so ridiculous? PB and Jelly sandwiches? Is there no deli meat in the home for a turkey sandwich? A can of soup? Call out for pizza? It was ridiculous!
-The kids wanting to go see their mother in the hospital and Jack not being able to talk to them calmly and explain that no, mom is not brain-damaged but she does have some injuries and needs to be in the hospital to recuperate and so the staff can make sure she is okay. No need for them to be dragged to the hospital, in their pj's no less, in the wee hours of the morning. -Another Pearson long-winded speech to the hospital nurse, about how Rebecca is the engine that drives the family so please let us into her room even though visiting hours are not until 6 a.m.
Jack was just not cutting it as a dad and I do love Jack, but his actions and words were ridiculous.
- When Beth made the drive to Philly after work (Randall was wondering why she was so late getting home) and met with a realtor. At first I thought she was looking into possible homes they could move to, but apparently she found studio space for a dance studio so she could be her own boss and work on her own terms, I guess. I know she and Randall were not in the best place with their relationship, but she doesn't call and clue him in as to where she is going? Or for that matter, even bring the topic up of relocating? It had not been discussed prior.
-Randall, conversely, not telling Beth he was thinking of resigning the councilman position. We would have had an O.Henry Gift of the Magi twist, which is what I was thinking. Randall would resign his position and Beth comes back and says 'Guess what? I rented studio space for my own dance studio and we are selling our Alpine, NJ home and moving to Philly. Win-Win." LOL
I found it funny that Deja made up a ruse of a debate team meeting just to get Randall all the way out to her former foster home ( and how sad were the conditions she and the other foster kids had to endure?) to give him her own version of a Pearson speech to basically tell him he had won the lottery, not once, but twice, and to get his act together so he doesn't lose Beth.
Loved Uncle Kevin talking to Tess. He's so good with kids so I am glad he ended it with Zoe so he can have a kid of his own.
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Post by pikachu on Apr 3, 2019 19:46:01 GMT
I don't know if I'll bother watching the show when it returns next season. They've lost my interest.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Apr 3, 2019 21:10:46 GMT
Gotta say I loved it, and thanks to everyone for providing the bits I missed or was confused about. I guess Kevin becomes a very successful movie star, and it makes sense that was his house we saw because his young son was running around in there by himself. Possibly Kate took little Jack and left Toby at some point due to his depression, which might have become too difficult to handle with a child. Didn't catch that he mentioned Jack by name. That definitely was Nicky sitting next to Rebecca's bed. Still wonder about the pin the tail on the donkey game (which showed up at the beginning...have to watch that again because I missed the first minute or two...thinking it has birthday significance, like maybe the Big 3 are turning 50), the sidewalk chalk, and Rebecca's car accident.
I plan to watch it again and hate to wait six months for the new season.
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 3, 2019 21:18:24 GMT
Gotta say I loved it, and thanks to everyone for providing the bits I missed or was confused about. I guess Kevin becomes a very successful movie star, and it makes sense that was his house we saw because his young son was running around in there by himself. Possibly Kate took little Jack and left Toby at some point due to his depression, which might have become too difficult to handle with a child. Didn't catch that he mentioned Jack by name. That definitely was Nicky sitting next to Rebecca's bed. Still wonder about the pin the tail on the donkey game (which showed up at the beginning...have to watch that again because I missed the first minute or two...thinking it has birthday significance, like maybe the Big 3 are turning 50), the sidewalk chalk, and Rebecca's car accident. I plan to watch it again and hate to wait six months for the new season. Why the sidewalk chalk..did someone figure it out?
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Post by Navybelle on Apr 4, 2019 2:36:35 GMT
I couldn't stand Kate on this week's show: what a witch. I understand her defensiveness with her mom, but really disliked how snippy she got to Rebecca about the baby. I don't like her character anyway, so this certainly didn't help. She's acting like the baby, about her baby and everything else really. I love the scenes with the younger actors, and young Kevin's was hilarious this time! Deja's speech to Randall was awesome, and we kind of got back to the Beth we'd seen before. I thought she told him that she looked at houses, at the end? Maybe it was just dance space, I guess, because I did miss everything about sidewalk chalk and Pin The Tail. I didn't miss Nicky though -- that was weird! Rebecca looked rough. I suppose I will tune in next season to see if they're going to continue the character beating, or if they'll hook me back in!
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Post by mina on Apr 4, 2019 6:22:22 GMT
I haven't seen the finale......
Sophie needed to be meaner to Kevin. And I hope she doesn't come back. Zoe bores me- I feel like most of the time she's lounging on Kevin's sofa or asleep or doing her weird tense stare. Go get therapy. Kevin deserves to be alone.
Randall should not have continued to run for this position after Beth asked him to stop. Beth can just be a dance assistant (how the hell is she a dance instructor after not dancing for 20 years and after having 2 kids and not staying on top of dance??? This makes NO sense) and scale back what she is doing until she gains expertise to teach and her kids start driving or something. You make it work in a family ; when you chose to have kids you sometimes have to sacrifice your own personal goals to physically be there for them. And how about they tell the girls they can each pick one afterschool activity so they aren't running here and there and everywhere when mom and dad both work and are crazy busy.
Kate is a great mom already and Toby is a douche who doesn't know what to do with a baby. Even if the baby had been full term with no complications, something tells me Toby would still not know what to do and mope about how Kate is a better parent than him. Kate would still feel alone b/c Toby would just let her do everything and not offer to help and then complain when the baby wanted mom over dad.
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Post by JustJuls on Apr 4, 2019 6:41:35 GMT
I loved this episode. Finally. It gave me everything I fell in love with at the beginning. I'm once again intrigued to see how it plays out.
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 4, 2019 7:53:56 GMT
Lots of fathers are afraid to pick up babies, especially a premature baby, they are so, so small, with many tubes and wires, and couples think they might do something to the baby..I give Toby a pass .
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Post by Critical on Apr 4, 2019 9:11:37 GMT
Lots of first time fathers (and mothers!) don't know what to do with a baby. That doesn't make then douches.
I think it's likely Kate and Toby are split up in the future, but that Kate is still alive, hence Toby telling the group that Jack told him "they're" on the way. I'd guess that "they" are Jack and Kate.
The finale was better than the last few episodes, but I'm still not all that excited about the show. The bloom is definitely off the rose for me unless these people can show they have the ability to grow and change. I don't want to watch them run on the same hamster wheel for yet another season.
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 4, 2019 12:11:34 GMT
I didn't think Toby was a douche, but I've always been okay with him. I'm well over Beth and Randall, I love Kevin, but do I care his he gets his child/house/wife etc? Not really,.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Apr 4, 2019 13:54:50 GMT
I was losing interest when they forced the Kevin-Zoe relationship and the rift between Randall and Beth, but now I'm excited for next season. I want to see Kevin defeat his alcoholism and go on to be successful and happy and whether he winds up with Sophie, Beth and Randall relocating and creating a new life together with their girls, flashback to how Rebecca and Miguel got together and then what happens to Miguel since he's not around in the scene we saw, how Rebecca and Nicky became "friends" or whatever they are, flash forward to baby Jack as a teenager, what happens between Kate and Toby and how they are as parents ... so many things!
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Post by mina on Apr 4, 2019 16:22:44 GMT
I don't think Toby is a douche because he's a clueless new father. I think he's a douche because he's Toby and has sort of a jerk mentality about everything and I can see him not being there for kate under normal circumstances as well. I think Toby is really good at Grand gestures to show how he feels; but I imagine that he gets bored quickly of the day in day out nitty-gritty of serious situations.
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Post by mina on Apr 5, 2019 18:09:56 GMT
Now I've seen the finale....Obviously something happens between Toby and Kate and they are not together anymore. Jack makes it to young adulthood.
Glad Randall and Beth figured it out....but how in the WORLD does Beth, someone who hasn't danced in 20 years, has had 2 kids, and has only been teaching a few months, with no prior experience or credentials and who didn't even complete her own dance program, able to open and run her own dance studio and actually have people sign up and pay her to be taught by someone with no professional dance experience??????
Kevin really annoyed me more than usual. Zoe told him how she felt and where she stood and he continued to pester her; I'm glad she left him (?). I don't think that kid was hers.....Maybe he adopts? or Sophie comes back (although I hope she doesn't).
Interesting that Nicky is there at the end of Rebecca's life. Maybe Miguel passes and Nicky gets himself in a good and clean spot and they have a romance or a deep friendship.......
And I think it's terrible that Jack couldn't even handle his own kids for one night and couldn't let Rebecca rest.....maybe if they were toddlers or babies, but at 11 (or so) he could heat up a frozen pizza and have a board game night with them or something to entertain them. That really didn't jive with how Jack seemed to be in other episodes and I'm sure this wasn't the first time he had to look after all three on his own for dinner or an evening.
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 5, 2019 19:16:18 GMT
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Post by JoRyMom on Sept 25, 2019 17:05:18 GMT
OMG, the writers are just fantastic. Not to give anything away, but big love for the Kate and Toby storyline.
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