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Post by FireWoman on Dec 12, 2019 17:51:54 GMT
I still maintain that TPTB should have removed Dan clear back when Kellee was voted out. They should not have made her decide if it was okay for him to stay. It was detrimental to her game. At the very least, he should have been given a warning when she kept telling him not to touch her at the beginning of the game. Had they done that, he could have been booted off the next time. Instead they waited until then to give him a warning. Clearly by his reaction at the tribal council, he didn't believe he'd done anything wrong. I think it sends a bad message to the players too. The staff is valuable enough to protect, but the players aren't? It's probably more that now he'd had a warning and they were following through, but I don't think the optics are good with the appearance of favoring staff. Dan's boot also better explains Aaron's emotional apology. He already knew what we didnt yet know about Dan being so inappropriate he got himself kicked off the show. Why do they keep saying he is the first. Wasn't one of the Hantz relatives kicked off, or am I mixing up my shows? what I have read stated that he is the first to be removed for "an undisclosed, off camera incident." I think when the Hantz was removed we all knew why and saw the incident(s) in question. ETA: I take that back, with the younger Hantz, he was verbally voted off so yes, maybe it is right that Dan is the first actually ejected from the game. |
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 12, 2019 18:29:24 GMT
I loved Rob and Sandra's reaction when Dean showed the fake legacy idol. They loved that he made a fake of the fake! It was probably all they could do to stay mum and not let Dean know that he's in a bad spot. It might have added to Sandra's excitement when Dean won the nullifier (which I see him playing when Janet plays hers). Rob and Sandra were probably patting themselves on the back for instructing Jamal to make the fake in the first place (and it still lives!). It was Jamal, yes? I am foggy on that part. I have no words for the Dan situation. That was funny, with Rob and Sandra, he made a fake of a fake..lol Yes, it was Jamal. |
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Post by Brooks on Dec 12, 2019 20:54:22 GMT
It was Kellee and during a confessional. Production offered to do something about it but she said no. Since it had the great potential to impact her game, either way (the victim dilemma), surely it was her choice to make. Turns out since yesterday Kellee has been blasting the show for mishandling Dan, that they should have done something sooner. |
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Post by JosephD on Dec 12, 2019 20:59:16 GMT
It's interesting what viewers first thought when we saw Jeff walking up to the camp. Some viewers assumed a twist was coming. Some thought it was the Rob and Sandra reveal. My thoughts instantly went to an emergency back at home. I thought Jeff was coming to get one of the players because someone in their family was seriously injured, ill or worse. I immediately thought of that time when Jeff had to pull Terry Dietz from the game because his son needed a heart transplant. I agree with photobabe regarding timing. I think the decision to disqualify Dan now rather than sooner was mostly legal. They may have wanted to oust Dan weeks ago, but I'm sure they had to run things past their attorneys to protect themselves against a possible lawsuit. Just because Dan's guilty, doesn't mean he wouldn't try to sue. I agree with what someone wrote upthread regarding Elaine. As soon as she shared her emotional story and the jurors felt empathy toward her, I knew she would be going. If it wasn't that night, it would have been soon. I'm predicting a Janet win. Dean! UGH! Why do people who get an advantage always run back and tell half the camp about the power they possess? Don't they realize that puts a target on their back? And what makes Dean think the people he told won't tell the others? Tommy was loving Dean's "goat-ism," then Dean goes and blabs to Tommy about his nullifier, which didn't strengthen his bond with Tommy. It made him see Dean as a threat. |
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Post by dagwood on Dec 12, 2019 21:11:28 GMT
I still maintain that TPTB should have removed Dan clear back when Kellee was voted out. They should not have made her decide if it was okay for him to stay. It was detrimental to her game. At the very least, he should have been given a warning when she kept telling him not to touch her at the beginning of the game. Had they done that, he could have been booted off the next time. Instead they waited until then to give him a warning. Clearly by his reaction at the tribal council, he didn't believe he'd done anything wrong. I think it sends a bad message to the players too. The staff is valuable enough to protect, but the players aren't? It's probably more that now he'd had a warning and they were following through, but I don't think the optics are good with the appearance of favoring staff. Dan's boot also better explains Aaron's emotional apology. He already knew what we didnt yet know about Dan being so inappropriate he got himself kicked off the show. Why do they keep saying he is the first. Wasn't one of the Hantz relatives kicked off, or am I mixing up my shows? Mixing up shows. Willie Hantz was kicked off of Big Brother for threatening behavior. |
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Post by justCoz on Dec 12, 2019 22:33:51 GMT
I still maintain that TPTB should have removed Dan clear back when Kellee was voted out. They should not have made her decide if it was okay for him to stay. It was detrimental to her game. At the very least, he should have been given a warning when she kept telling him not to touch her at the beginning of the game. Had they done that, he could have been booted off the next time. Instead they waited until then to give him a warning. Clearly by his reaction at the tribal council, he didn't believe he'd done anything wrong. I think it sends a bad message to the players too. The staff is valuable enough to protect, but the players aren't? It's probably more that now he'd had a warning and they were following through, but I don't think the optics are good with the appearance of favoring staff. Dan's boot also better explains Aaron's emotional apology. He already knew what we didnt yet know about Dan being so inappropriate he got himself kicked off the show. Why do they keep saying he is the first. Wasn't one of the Hantz relatives kicked off, or am I mixing up my shows? what I have read stated that he is the first to be removed for "an undisclosed, off camera incident." I think when the Hantz was removed we all knew why and saw the incident(s) in question. ETA: I take that back, with the younger Hantz, he was verbally voted off so yes, maybe it is right that Dan is the first actually ejected from the game. Thanks, that's what I was half remembering, but as dagwood said, the ejected Hantz was from Big Brother. |
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Post by badseed on Dec 12, 2019 23:51:42 GMT
I still maintain that TPTB should have removed Dan clear back when Kellee was voted out. They should not have made her decide if it was okay for him to stay. It was detrimental to her game. At the very least, he should have been given a warning when she kept telling him not to touch her at the beginning of the game. Had they done that, he could have been booted off the next time. Instead they waited until then to give him a warning. Clearly by his reaction at the tribal council, he didn't believe he'd done anything wrong. I think it sends a bad message to the players too. The staff is valuable enough to protect, but the players aren't? It's probably more that now he'd had a warning and they were following through, but I don't think the optics are good with the appearance of favoring staff. Dan's boot also better explains Aaron's emotional apology. He already knew what we didnt yet know about Dan being so inappropriate he got himself kicked off the show. Why do they keep saying he is the first. Wasn't one of the Hantz relatives kicked off, or am I mixing up my shows? what I have read stated that he is the first to be removed for "an undisclosed, off camera incident." I think when the Hantz was removed we all knew why and saw the incident(s) in question. ETA: I take that back, with the younger Hantz, he was verbally voted off so yes, maybe it is right that Dan is the first actually ejected from the game. . Officially it was the tribe conceding the challenge and voting him off, but unofficially it was an ejection for posing a credible threat of violence. |
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Post by Brooks on Dec 13, 2019 0:16:02 GMT
Dalton Ross pointed out on his recap that Dean can't play his fake legacy advantage now. It was only good for #6 and #9, and since Dan was tossed we're going straight to #5. He might try anyway, but seems unlikely Jeff would accept it, but if so, would it be before or after he confirms Dean's worst fears that may it isn't legit afterall, LOL.
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 13, 2019 0:47:43 GMT
Dalton Ross pointed out on his recap that Dean can't play his fake legacy advantage now. It was only good for #6 and #9, and since Dan was tossed we're going straight to #5. He might try anyway, but seems unlikely Jeff would accept it, but if so, would it be before or after he confirms Dean's worst fears that may it isn't legit afterall, LOL.  |
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Post by kiz on Dec 13, 2019 1:00:13 GMT
Here is a description of the incident with Dan. "After an immunity challenge, the contestants were brought back to the camp in a boat. During that boat ride, Spilo allegedly touched a female crew member’s leg. He claimed that the touch was accidental and he had just been trying to regain his balance on the moving boat. The production team was not satisfied with his excuse and ultimately decided to remove him from the situation." www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/survivor-the-real-reason-dan-spilo-was-removed-from-the-game.html/ |
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Post by atwi80d on Dec 13, 2019 1:49:17 GMT
Just have a fear that Dean will play that idol nullify if Janet tries to get immunity.
Hantz's nephew Brandon is what you are talking about Just Coz. As he left the show due to him and Philip Shepherd butting heads. The one where Brandon also threw food and had a temper tantrum.
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Post by pikachu on Dec 13, 2019 13:25:52 GMT
I don't understand how pre-taping the reunion show makes it less sensitive and more secure but whatever. I'm just glad that Dan is gone. I have to wonder what he's like in his workplace outside the game. He's probably very touchy-feely there, too, so I wouldn't be surprised to see allegations made about him outside of Survivor after this. I would like to see Janet and Noura in the final two but that's unlikely to happen. I have to say after this week's show, Dean has proven himself to be very clever so I could see him winning. I still feel like I hardly know Tommy. Lauren hasn't done anything to make herself stand out to me. I would be happiest with Janet winning.  |
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Post by sunnydayz on Dec 13, 2019 16:46:01 GMT
I don't understand how pre-taping the reunion show makes it less sensitive and more secure but whatever.I'm just glad that Dan is gone. I have to wonder what he's like in his workplace outside the game. He's probably very touchy-feely there, too, so I wouldn't be surprised to see allegations made about him outside of Survivor after this. I would like to see Janet and Noura in the final two but that's unlikely to happen. I have to say after this week's show, Dean has proven himself to be very clever so I could see him winning. I still feel like I hardly know Tommy. Lauren hasn't done anything to make herself stand out to me. I would be happiest with Janet winning. Former Survivor contestant Jeff Varner posted a rant on social media to say that most to all of the cast has rallied behind Dan, and that the reunion is being pre-taped because "cast members plan to publicly support Dan and call out producers.” |
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 13, 2019 16:51:37 GMT
I don't understand how pre-taping the reunion show makes it less sensitive and more secure but whatever.I'm just glad that Dan is gone. I have to wonder what he's like in his workplace outside the game. He's probably very touchy-feely there, too, so I wouldn't be surprised to see allegations made about him outside of Survivor after this. I would like to see Janet and Noura in the final two but that's unlikely to happen. I have to say after this week's show, Dean has proven himself to be very clever so I could see him winning. I still feel like I hardly know Tommy. Lauren hasn't done anything to make herself stand out to me. I would be happiest with Janet winning. Former Survivor contestant Jeff Varner posted a rant on social media to say that most to all of the cast has rallied behind Dan, and that the reunion is being pre-taped because "cast members plan to publicly support Dan and call out producers.” I wonder how Kellee feels about that? |
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Post by Brooks on Dec 13, 2019 16:52:14 GMT
I don't understand how pre-taping the reunion show makes it less sensitive and more secure but whatever.I'm just glad that Dan is gone. I have to wonder what he's like in his workplace outside the game. He's probably very touchy-feely there, too, so I wouldn't be surprised to see allegations made about him outside of Survivor after this. I would like to see Janet and Noura in the final two but that's unlikely to happen. I have to say after this week's show, Dean has proven himself to be very clever so I could see him winning. I still feel like I hardly know Tommy. Lauren hasn't done anything to make herself stand out to me. I would be happiest with Janet winning. Former Survivor contestant Jeff Varner posted a rant on social media to say that most to all of the cast has rallied behind Dan, and that the reunion is being pre-taped because "cast members plan to publicly support Dan and call out producers.” Somewhere I read that Dan's hand landed on a female crew member's leg as he got in the boat. He says it's because he lost balance. Maybe he convinced the cast that's what happened. Jeff obviously wasn't there so I wonder how he really knows about the current participants.
Kellee is pissed production mishandled it from the beginning so I doubt she's behind Dan now even if the last time he groped someone really was accidental.
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Post by sunnydayz on Dec 13, 2019 17:02:01 GMT
Seems like producers are screwed either way....they left him in there too long and/or they took him out when they shouldn’t have. No matter which way you go, I can see why they’d pre-tape it. They’re gonna need time to edit, edit, edit whatever happens so they don’t look any worse than they already do.
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 13, 2019 17:42:07 GMT
Seems like producers are screwed either way....they left him in there too long and/or they took him out when they shouldn’t have. No matter which way you go, I can see why they’d pre-tape it. They’re gonna need time to edit, edit, edit whatever happens so they don’t look any worse than they already do Yes, they sure are. Here I thought we were in for a great season, given the players I really liked. They were all ages etc. I still want Janet to win it all, but I think she'll be gone. |
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Post by pikachu on Dec 13, 2019 19:29:00 GMT
Seems like producers are screwed either way....they left him in there too long and/or they took him out when they shouldn’t have. No matter which way you go, I can see why they’d pre-tape it. They’re gonna need time to edit, edit, edit whatever happens so they don’t look any worse than they already do. I see. I hadn't thought about needing to edit the participants' comments. I was thinking they were afraid a fan or hate group was going to rush the studio and cause a scene. Although that would be unlikely since Dan's not even going to be at the reunion. I don't care if Dan did accidentally touch the crew member of the leg. After all the other incidents and being officially warned before, there was no way the show could let him continue on. If touching the crew member has been his only offense, it probably would have no big deal but given Dan's history, it makes you doubt whether it really was accidental. |
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Post by Gutmutter on Dec 13, 2019 20:37:55 GMT
Give me a break! WE SAW FOOTAGE of all the times he cuddled women in bed, played with their toes under the table, etc. I think a production member can tell the difference between someone losing their balance and being groped! The guy is a sleazeball and I won’t be surprised when women start coming forth from his work environment.
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Post by justCoz on Dec 13, 2019 21:47:02 GMT
Give me a break! WE SAW FOOTAGE of all the times he cuddled women in bed, played with their toes under the table, etc. I think a production member can tell the difference between someone losing their balance and being groped! The guy is a sleazeball and I won’t be surprised when women start coming forth from his work environment. Plus, that excuse mimics his other excuse at TC, that he "inadvertently" touched someone due to the close confines of their camp space. But a lot of what we saw was in no way due to inadvertent touching, nor because of close proximity. Most of the footage we saw there was a lot of space for him to avoid them. That's obviously his go-to excuse. |
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Post by Brooks on Dec 13, 2019 22:14:52 GMT
It seems unlikely to me that there would be something about the reunion show that would offend viewers. But there may well be threatened or pending litigation that could be complicated by certain discussions at the reunion. I would expect anything about it to be deleted except in the most general context. CBS Legal may have required it be handled this way.
I'm kind of pissed. The reunion is way past my bedtime and for many seasons I have been fine with turning it off after the vote is revealed. But this time I'll have to stay up, and because of editing there may be nothing to see!
edited to add: May Jeff wants to make sure there is no unkindly talk about Karishma's marriage situation. Or Jamal/Jack's interchanges. Sheesh, there sure has been a lot of personal stuff this season. |
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 13, 2019 23:00:29 GMT
It seems unlikely to me that there would be something about the reunion show that would offend viewers. But there may well be threatened or pending litigation that could be complicated by certain discussions at the reunion. I would expect anything about it to be deleted except in the most general context. CBS Legal may have required it be handled this way.
I'm kind of pissed. The reunion is way past my bedtime and for many seasons I have been fine with turning it off after the vote is revealed. But this time I'll have to stay up, and because of editing there may be nothing to see!
edited to add: May Jeff wants to make sure there is no unkindly talk about Karishma's marriage situation. Or Jamal/Jack's interchanges. Sheesh, there sure has been a lot of personal stuff this season. I think Jeff is very good at handling situations, this wont be any different imho. |
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Post by silver18 on Dec 14, 2019 8:08:38 GMT
I wish we knew what he actually did. It just didn't seem to me that his actions were sexual in nature or intent in what they showed but I assume they must have been.
I understand he touched a producer's leg... but did he touch it in a sexually inappropriate manner? If so isnt it odd that he would be sexually inappropriate with a producer in public when people have already complained about him being too touchy/feely. It just all seems really weird to me and something seems off...
Oh well... kind of puts a taint on the show for me now. Next season cant come soon enough,
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Post by Bearcata on Dec 14, 2019 13:05:08 GMT
Wish they had voted off Tommy last episode that way Dean would be all by his lonesome. Don't want Tommy or Dean to win. Not really impressed with the players or the season. Seems very blah!
Would be funny if crazy Noura won it.
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Post by Brooks on Dec 14, 2019 14:15:39 GMT
It just didn't seem to me that his actions were sexual in nature or intent It wasn't a sexual play, it was a power play. |
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Post by kiz on Dec 14, 2019 15:50:47 GMT
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Post by badseed on Dec 14, 2019 17:49:11 GMT
Varner has ample reason to be biased against producers; he feels they did him dirty in the incident where he outed Zeke. And if anyone DID talk to Varner, they're to put it nicely, a dope. Varner has been a known gossip fiend since WAY back in Season 2. |
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 14, 2019 17:59:24 GMT
I don't remember Varner, and I don't care what he has to say.I heard what Kellee said and we saw how touchy feely Dan was. Why is he stirring crap up, ruining the one show I've always enjoyed. I'm so pissed off with these famewhore like him |
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Post by l144s on Dec 14, 2019 19:07:12 GMT
Isn't Varner the one that outed Zeke?
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Post by badseed on Dec 14, 2019 20:12:46 GMT
Isn't Varner the one that outed Zeke? yes. He has apologized profusely, but he’s also said that production did him dirty, so it’s no surprise he’d go to bat for Dan. |
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