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Post by MFWalkoff on Jan 3, 2020 0:59:16 GMT
NOTE: Tonight's new episode starts at 9PM ET.
The Ultimate Upcycle - In Project Runway's first upcycling challenge, the materials used for the look will be donated clothing from a local Goodwill. The designers will need to be resourceful, sustainable, and fast because it's also their first one day challenge.
Enjoy the show!
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Post by kocky_Kamikaze on Jan 3, 2020 2:06:11 GMT
Okay....
Am I not cool because I’ve never heard of CFDA? What is it?
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Post by kocky_Kamikaze on Jan 3, 2020 3:17:49 GMT
I guess Tyler will be gone since he mentioned Kushner. Why would people freak out? She married him, own it.
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Post by kocky_Kamikaze on Jan 3, 2020 3:26:45 GMT
Victoria won??? I would disagree with that judgement. It was bland.
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Post by kocky_Kamikaze on Jan 3, 2020 3:30:37 GMT
Tyler’s Kushner comment got him kicked off. And I can’t believe they made him apologize for an innocent, off-the-cuff quip.
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Post by Kao on Jan 3, 2020 3:35:53 GMT
I liked all three of the top looks. I also liked Shavi's too but it was so tight!
I knew the minute Tyler brought up Karlie's personal life he would be gone. Completely out of order, and implies an intimacy that is not there.
CFDA = Council of Fashion Designers of America. It's like a union/trade association for fashion designers, and the winner will get a mentorship with them. They are a very important international org so Karlie going is kinda a big deal.
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Post by betty80 on Jan 3, 2020 12:51:32 GMT
Hasn't Tyler been in the bottom more than once? His Kushner comment was out of line, but it may have been his time. That said, I did think the designer whose model could barely walk would be sent home though. It seems like Victoria is making the same outfit every week. The editing almost made me think Christian was going to save Tyler. I did have to look up Karlie's family. Karlie was mad. Lavern Cox is so beautiful. Josh Kushner’s Parents Apparently Banned Karlie Kloss From Family Gatherings |
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Post by justCoz on Jan 3, 2020 14:23:06 GMT
Yes, Tyler had been in the bottom a lot, that was why Christian was trying to get through to him earlier in the episode. They thought his stuff looked costume-y. I think what sunk him, even more than his obvious rudeness to the host, was his own words about his dress being something she could wear to Martha's Vineyard. Not only did it not look good for that, but that wasn't the brief. The challenge was to make an outfit for a specific party in Paris. He not only ignored the challenge, but also defended what he sent down the runway like it was good. The other two at least knew their looks weren't good. If he hadn't been rude to Karli he might have squeaked by again, but he was never long for this competition. They didn't like his stuff.
No way was Christian going to save him. I thought Christian sounded a tad exacerbated with him when they had their consultation the previous day when he was arguing with Christian that his sailor pants with the navy fabric and gold buttons weren't just another costume.
I didn't really like Victoria's dress, but I can see why they choose it over the other top two looks. Even though they showed Nancy bugging the mentor (Karla?) to death at Goodwill, it paid off for her since she was in second place!
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Post by Kao on Jan 3, 2020 16:25:55 GMT
There's a certain type of man that when put on the spot loves to reduce women to being eye candy for their husband/partner instead of having their own interests. Karlie Kloss is not only a accomplished model, she's also started an org to promote STEM to girls in elementary/junior high. Considering the importance of the CFDA it's quite an honor to be invited to one of their events. And when told how his catering outfit would be a tad bit inappropriate for the event IN PARIS he throws shade and says she can wear it in the Vineyard at a dinner party with the Kushners? Especially considering how the Kushners really don't care for her and had excluded her from events for years? Ugh.
At first I thought it was a innocent foot in mouth incident but after watching the after show with him and Christian nope, that lil troll knew exactly what he was doing. Good riddance.
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Post by babbred on Jan 3, 2020 19:35:03 GMT
Thank you, Betty80, for that link. I literally had no idea what Tyler was talking about. Now that I know, I don't think his remark was appropriate. However, I agree with Kamikaze. Karly should have grown up and shot back with some appropriate remark of her own. Evidently her marriage was a hot mess and the rest of the world knew about it. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think like Tyler so deal with it.
They've talked about the CFDA on this show before. In the final season of All-Stars, part of the prize was earning a mentorship with them.
I agreed with Victoria winning. I love Nancy and am very proud of her. However, I though her outfit was a mess. The skirt wasn't bad, but it wasn't spectacular. And that shirt made my eyes hurt. It looked like the model had gotten dressed in the dark and put her shirt on backwards accidentally. And the 12-jean outfit didn't grab me, either. I don't why Karly raved about it. I wouldn't wear it. I also thought it looked like a mess and not chic enough for some glam event in Paris. Victoria's dress was the only outfit in the top who hit all the right notes for me.
Was it Shavi who used the double-sided tape? That was a major no-no in the old PR, so I thought the judges would make a bigger deal about it. He is extremely lucky that they already had it in for Tyler or he probably would have been out.
Before this episode, I felt kind of sorry for Tyler. I didn't agree with him being on the bottom the past couple of weeks. I also wondered if maybe his personality rubbed them the wrong way. He doesn't gush over the judges or have an outsized personality that jumps out at you. Introverts often get flack for not being the "life of the party". But last night...what can I say? I was glad to see him go. First, he let Sergio walk all over him and convince him to basically create a new outfit. (And does anyone else agree with Delvin that it was a deliberate act of sabotage on Sergio's part?) Once again, I didn't think his outfit was the worst (that honor belongs to tape designer). But that defense was just terrible. He should have just owned that he made a mistake. And now that I know the backstory, I agree that the Kushner line was creepy.
Does anybody else feel vaguely uncomfortable with this whole idea of upcycling? I freely admit, I am biased. Growing up, we were poor enough to shop at Goodwill. I am glad these old clothing items were not thrown away, but I kept thinking about the poor people who might have purchased and worn them. That's 12 disadvantaged people who could have purchased a pair of jeans. I don't know, it just didn't feel right. A while back ago, I saw one of those "Can you believe this?" articles. It talked about some designer tote that was selling for like $300, but was created to look like a cheap plastic bag from a grocery store. The author said this was a new trend in luxury goods, to make them look like cheap items you or I would use. I know that's not the same thing as upcycling, but it feels like it's in the same family.
Speaking of elitist, dear heavens, what are we going to do with Mr. Virtue Signaling himself, Sergio? Let me tell you a little story. Sometime last year I was watching Laverne Cox's reality show, something about finding the next great make-up artist. For one of the challenges, the guest judge was Michael Costello, former designer on PR. Cox rattled off a list of celebrities for whom Costello has designed, including some major Hollywood A-listers. Those wannabee make-up artists thought they had died and gone to heaven. They recognized Michael and practically wanted to kiss his hand. And the prize for that challenge was getting to work with Michael's "glam team" and put the make-up on his models at his next NYFW show. Again, those wannabee artists just about died.
Now, why am I telling you all of this? Because, Sergio, Michael Costello was SELF-TAUGHT! I remember his season on PR. For one challenge he was in the top. When the judges asked him the name of his fabric, he had to admit with embarrassment that he didn't know. He had just picked it because it looked right for what he wanted to do. The judges had a major discussion about this while the designers were backstage. How could they promote a designer who didn't even know something basic like the name of a fabric? argued some. But look at him! cried others. The man obviously has talent in spades. He can learn what he needs to know. Thank heavens, sane heads prevailed and they kept him around. (In fact, I think he won that challenge.) It's not about "higher math equations". It's about creating fabulous clothing! I swear, if Sergio starts to trash talk Tyler next week, then I am turning the volume down.
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Post by ibot2much on Jan 3, 2020 20:05:42 GMT
Somewhat surprised that PR did not edit this comment--- out of respect for Karli.
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Post by amber on Jan 4, 2020 7:36:03 GMT
What? Edit out drama?  This episode was all about exposing the huge chip sitting on Tylor's shoulder. Being cut was a matter of time and he knew it. Bye Tylor! |
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Post by photobabe on Jan 4, 2020 17:46:46 GMT
I think Tyler would have been eliminated even without his comment. I rewatched the ending of previous episodes. The ONLY runway that did not have Tyler in the bottom 3 was the team challenge. Although I found him entertaining to watch, I'm not sorry he is gone.
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Post by babbred on Jan 4, 2020 20:47:30 GMT
 to what both of you said. There's no way the producers would cut that remark, since it was guaranteed to add drama. They were probably hoping that Karly and Tyler would get into a spat like all those other reality shows that Bravo airs.
And yes, even before he opened his mouth on the runway, I knew he would be gone. There's no way a designer appears in bottom for three times in a row and survives. Still, though, he could have at least gone out with a shred of dignity. He has nobody to blame but himself. Christian didn't tell him to scrap the entire outfit, just modify it somehow so that it didn't look like a costume. Instead, he listened to Sergio and threw out the entire outfit. He should have told Sergio to bug off and stuck with his original design.
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Post by silver18 on Jan 4, 2020 22:48:35 GMT
I look forward to Sergio either to stop talking or to leave. Yeesh... such arrogance!
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Post by beerbelly on Jan 5, 2020 10:29:56 GMT
I watched the episode yesterday and had no idea what was coming. I was shocked he said that! I really didn't have feelings for Kloss, find her bland, and knew she was married to a Kushner. After that comment from Tyler, I like her a lot more. I had no idea that the Kushner family didn't talk to her for six years - and knowing that Tyler's comment is hugely misplaced. Also, I hadn't known that she does a lot for STEM.
Sergio is horrible. What a snob.
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Post by photobabe on Jan 5, 2020 21:38:19 GMT
Correction on my earlier post. Not only was Tyler in the bottom 3 in the challenges I mentioned, but he was also part of the bottom 2 teams in the group challenge.
And, I agree with all of you that are calling Segio out on his arrogance. Sergio has yet to figure out that while technical skills can be taught and are very useful, they are no substitute for innate talent and taste.
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Post by babbred on Jan 5, 2020 22:04:55 GMT
And that IRL, most people don't want his "expertise."  |
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Post by MissGriss on Jan 6, 2020 9:02:23 GMT
Plus the idea that there's anything Sergio knows that is so unique or important that the world would miss out if he died and took it with him.  Talk about an inflated sense of his importance. |
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Post by beerbelly on Jan 6, 2020 10:31:20 GMT
My eyes were rolling out of my head when he said that.
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Post by amber on Jan 6, 2020 16:20:49 GMT
We've seen Sergio helping other contestants and even getting along with Christian. Yes, he has said what he has said that has been captured on video and included in the edit, but I consider that to be more about entertainment value us than what is really going on.
With that said, I'm not into men wearing gowns at red carpet events or otherwise. Thus, his claim to fame is meaningless and in my opinion, it's all about the competition.
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Post by shortlived on Jan 6, 2020 22:46:47 GMT
This was the first PR in a very long time where I liked the majority of the things that came down the runway. It was really easy to pick out the bottom three. I agreed with the judges because Victoria's outfit was more appropriate for a fashion event. Nancy's outfit was nice and well made, but the skirt was an odd length for a fashion event. I would have worn several of those outfits.
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Post by Critical on Jan 7, 2020 1:26:43 GMT
We've seen Sergio helping other contestants and even getting along with Christian. Yes, he has said what he has said that has been captured on video and included in the edit, but I consider that to be more about entertainment value us than what is really going on. With that said, I'm not into men wearing gowns at red carpet events or otherwise. Thus, his claim to fame is meaningless and in my opinion, it's all about the competition.Just because you're not into it doesn't mean others aren't, including many in the fashion industry. That being said, I agree that it doesn't matter in the context of this show. I don't know why Sergio is bragging about that gown so much anyway, when the black tuxedo gown Billy Porter wore to the Golden Globes last year was a helluva lot more of a "moment" than Sergio's nightmare in pink and red.
I think Tyler's poor design got him the boot - that outfit looked like something a waitress in a mid-level restaurant would wear - but the snotty comment about the Kushner's didn't help him either. That's the kind of crack that NO ONE should make, but especially not someone in his position who doesn't even know her. It was WAY too familiar and out-of-bounds. His apology was tone deaf too. All he had to say was, "I'm really sorry for what I said. I was completely out of line." The end. He's nearly 30, but he acts (and looks) like a teenager. He needs to learn some respect and manners if he hopes to make a name for himself in the fashion world where discretion and a closed mouth are highly valued.
I really liked Nancy's design, but it lacked the cool factor AND it seemed too casual for a CFDA event. I especially liked her use of the pockets around the hem. It was a really clever detail.
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Post by amber on Jan 7, 2020 2:54:57 GMT
We've seen Sergio helping other contestants and even getting along with Christian. Yes, he has said what he has said that has been captured on video and included in the edit, but I consider that to be more about entertainment value us than what is really going on. With that said, I'm not into men wearing gowns at red carpet events or otherwise. Thus, his claim to fame is meaningless and in my opinion, it's all about the competition.Just because you're not into it doesn't mean others aren't, including many in the fashion industry. That being said, I agree that it doesn't matter in the context of this show. I don't know why Sergio is bragging about that gown so much anyway, when the black tuxedo gown Billy Porter wore to the Golden Globes last year was a helluva lot more of a "moment" than Sergio's nightmare in pink and red.
I think Tyler's poor design got him the boot - that outfit looked like something a waitress in a mid-level restaurant would wear - but the snotty comment about the Kushner's didn't help him either. That's the kind of crack that NO ONE should make, but especially not someone in his position who doesn't even know her. It was WAY too familiar and out-of-bounds. His apology was tone deaf too. All he had to say was, "I'm really sorry for what I said. I was completely out of line." The end. He's nearly 30, but he acts (and looks) like a teenager. He needs to learn some respect and manners if he hopes to make a name for himself in the fashion world where discretion and a closed mouth are highly valued.
I really liked Nancy's design, but it lacked the cool factor AND it seemed too casual for a CFDA event. I especially liked her use of the pockets around the hem. It was a really clever detail.
Yes and precisely why I qualified by making it clear that this is how I feel and that it is my opinion. To be clear, it's not that I'm offended, I just find it boring. Being scolded, however slightly, for expressing my feelings comes off to me as entirely unnecessary. JMO |
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Post by Arielflies on Jan 7, 2020 3:46:25 GMT
I thought Christian designed Billy Porter's red carpet gown of last year - the one that got all the attention...that is one reason why I'm having trouble with Sergio's words.
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Post by ibot2much on Jan 7, 2020 13:25:02 GMT
I thought that also. I was curious why that wasn't mentioned.
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Post by Kao on Jan 7, 2020 15:37:38 GMT
Ugh, Tyler is now making (and selling) T-shirts with the phrase "Not even for dinner with the Kushners?" So not only did he try to humiliate this woman on TV for her in-laws he's now making money from it. I knew that apology was only lip service.
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Post by photobabe on Jan 7, 2020 17:42:29 GMT
Ugh, Tyler is now making (and selling) T-shirts with the phrase "Not even for dinner with the Kushners?" So not only did he try to humiliate this woman on TV for her in-laws he's now making money from it. I knew that apology was only lip service.
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Post by babbred on Jan 7, 2020 18:33:40 GMT
We've seen Sergio helping other contestants and even getting along with Christian. Yes, he has said what he has said that has been captured on video and included in the edit, but I consider that to be more about entertainment value us than what is really going on. With that said, I'm not into men wearing gowns at red carpet events or otherwise. Thus, his claim to fame is meaningless and in my opinion, it's all about the competition. Just because you're not into it doesn't mean others aren't, including many in the fashion industry. That being said, I agree that it doesn't matter in the context of this show. I don't know why Sergio is bragging about that gown so much anyway, when the black tuxedo gown Billy Porter wore to the Golden Globes last year was a helluva lot more of a "moment" than Sergio's nightmare in pink and red.
I think Tyler's poor design got him the boot - that outfit looked like something a waitress in a mid-level restaurant would wear - but the snotty comment about the Kushner's didn't help him either. That's the kind of crack that NO ONE should make, but especially not someone in his position who doesn't even know her. It was WAY too familiar and out-of-bounds. His apology was tone deaf too. All he had to say was, "I'm really sorry for what I said. I was completely out of line." The end. He's nearly 30, but he acts (and looks) like a teenager. He needs to learn some respect and manners if he hopes to make a name for himself in the fashion world where discretion and a closed mouth are highly valued.
I really liked Nancy's design, but it lacked the cool factor AND it seemed too casual for a CFDA event. I especially liked her use of the pockets around the hem. It was a really clever detail.
Thank you! I've been racking my brains, trying to think of where I'd seen that kid of outfit before. Yeah, it looked something like waitress in a Vegas resort restaurant would wear.
Just ew...ew...ew about Tyler's t-shirts.  Part of me wonders if he planned to sneak the Kushners in all along. I mean, it was clear he was going to get eliminated sooner rather than later. I wonder if he planned to throw out some really tacky remark as his parting gesture? How disgusting and creepy. And even if he had stuck to his original design, it would have been wrong. A sailor suit? In what universe would Karly have worn that, unless the theme was camp like at the Met Gala?
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Post by justCoz on Jan 7, 2020 18:51:29 GMT
Ugh, Tyler is now making (and selling) T-shirts with the phrase "Not even for dinner with the Kushners?" So not only did he try to humiliate this woman on TV for her in-laws he's now making money from it. I knew that apology was only lip service.
What is his deal? He was rude to her and now he's going to double-down on it? It's not like she was the only judge who didn't like his stuff; none of them did. His remark was in response to what Brandon was saying. It's like he has no sense, unless he subscribes to the notion that any publicity is good publicity. He's trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame. I think he's burning some bridges that he should not be burning. If I were in the industry, I would not want to work with him after that. Nor as a consumer will I buy any of his (less- than stellar) designs. Hasn't he gotten the memo that kindness matters? |
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to what both of you said. There's no way the producers would cut that remark, since it was guaranteed to add drama. They were probably hoping that
Part of me wonders if he planned to sneak the Kushners in all along. I mean, it was clear he was going to get eliminated sooner rather than later. I wonder if he planned to throw out some really tacky remark as his parting gesture? How disgusting and creepy. And even if he had stuck to his original design, it would have been wrong. A sailor suit? In what universe would Karly have worn that, unless the theme was camp like at the Met Gala?