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Post by MFWalkoff on Feb 7, 2020 3:35:57 GMT
Suit Yourself - Inspired by recent fashion moments like their mentor, Christian Sirano's groundbreaking Oscar look for Bill Porter, the designers find a way to bring the timelessly classic tuxedo into the future.
Enjoy the show!
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Post by Critical on Feb 7, 2020 5:49:23 GMT
SO glad Christian didn't use his save on Chelsea last week. IMO, Brittany deserved it more.
Sergio and his continuing "political" nonsense. I love that everyone sees through him. There's NOTHING wrong with bringing politics into your work, but in his case it feels like he's doing it to NOT be eliminated. It feels like an issue of the week. Politics doesn't matter if your designs are mediocre.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 7, 2020 6:42:29 GMT
It's clear that Sergio doesn't have many friends there. If he did, they would have said something about the Celine Dion Galiano suit from the Oscars when he was making a big deal about how original his idea was. (It was certainly the first thing I thought of when he had his "brilliant idea.") I'm kind of surprised that Nancy didn't know about the look and say something, since they are clearly close.
It was definitely ironic that Brittany and Delvin were in the bottom after trashing Nancy's look. It somehow seemed fitting that Brittany lost to Nancy, but I'm glad that Christian brought her back. With all the cattiness that those two (Brittany and Delvin) have exhibited in the last couple of episodes, I hope this serving of humble pie will make them just a little more humble.
I was thrilled for Marquise that he won. What a coup after being eliminated and then brought back.
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Post by beerbelly on Feb 7, 2020 12:33:15 GMT
Marquise deserved that win, and can we please see more of that model that he used? Holy wow! That man was all kinds of perfect.
Those mean girls better stop being mean to Nancy. Why are they so mean to her? Do you think it's really ageism? Anyway, I don't like it and was happy Delvin and Britney were in the bottom after being so horrible.
Sergio, what???? 1950's? Back to the Jim Crow era? Like, if you are going to use your designs for social justice, know the history, or just know Celine Dion, I don't care, just know something.
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Post by ibot2much on Feb 7, 2020 13:34:08 GMT
I did enjoy seeing B and D on the bottom, not because they commented on Nancy's pants( because that was true), but because they have become increasingly catty about everybody over the weeks...plus D's contention that he had this in the bag as it was his strength made his look even worse. I was puzzled that he went with the baby blue right off---looking like he was dressing the characters in DUMB AND DUMBER....tacky plus.
What to say about S. that wasn't already said. He got a one two punch on the runway and so deserved. He had to pull that political statement out of his rear end as that had nothing to do with the outfit. The lecture about the 50s was perfect as it showed his ignorance, but the Celine ignorance was frosting on the cake.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 7, 2020 13:57:32 GMT
Using the save on Brittany was IMO exactly what it's meant for. This week was an example of a talented designer who had a terrible week, and whose design was by far the worst on the runway. It would not have been right to send one of the others in the bottom home because Brittany has done great work the rest of the season when they did not do as poorly as she did this week. Thanks to the save, the judges could do what was right and she could bounce back.
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Post by Arielflies on Feb 7, 2020 14:11:20 GMT
The only thing you haven't mentioned is that, on the Carli/Christian set-up, they mentioned different interpretations of a tuxedo and when Christian said he designed Billy's tuxedo dress for the Oscars and they showed the photo, the camera swung to Sergio and his face had fallen...caught out, or et.tu. Brute.
I watched Andy Cohen's show with Christian afterward and he said that he doesn't watch the comments or interviews of the designers made during the show. He also said he was not a fan of Sergio bringing politics to the runway, that it should be about the clothes, only.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 7, 2020 15:09:01 GMT
I liked the beatdown that Elaine gave him over the political speeches to explain his designs. I thought she was absolutely right. It's clear at this point that he's just giving speeches to make himself stand out and take advantage of a national platform. The statement is not driving the clothes, it's being shoehorned in.
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Post by Kao on Feb 7, 2020 15:19:13 GMT
Two things stuck out to me last night (besides the fact that NONE of the ousted designers wanted to work with Victoria):
- Was very happy for Marquise, and
- Delvin and Brittany got exactly what they deserved last night. Pay attention to your own work instead of trashing someone else's, and maybe you wouldn't be on the bottom.
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Post by babbred on Feb 7, 2020 15:28:14 GMT
Marquise deserved that win, and can we please see more of that model that he used? Holy wow! That man was all kinds of perfect. Those mean girls better stop being mean to Nancy. Why are they so mean to her? Do you think it's really ageism? Anyway, I don't like it and was happy Delvin and Britney were in the bottom after being so horrible. Sergio, what???? 1950's? Back to the Jim Crow era? Like, if you are going to use your designs for social justice, know the history, or just know Celine Dion, I don't care, just know something.
Growing up, I preferred to play with boys. I thought girls were catty and mean. All of the bullying I received in school and was at the hands of girls. The worst boss I ever had was a woman who pulled the "Devil Wears Prada" crud with her underlings. That's why my jaw dropped at Delvyn's behavior in this episode. He was by far the worst. That moment when he passed by Nancy and gave her that sneering look, laughing at her, that was pure Mean Girl "you can't sit with us in the cafeteria" behavior. I never thought I would see a man act that way. I guess I've led a sheltered life.
Anyway, it was disgusting, pure and simple. I don't care how talented Mr. "I've Studied with the Masters" is. Now that Christian has used his save, there's a few designers who have to go home. I will shed no tears if he's one of them. That outfit he designed this week--what did that have to do with a tuxedo? Shades of the first week when he ignored the challenge and just put out what he wanted. I'm glad the judges called him on it this time.
Same with Brittany. She may be talented, but her attitude stinks. Somebody here said that she laughed at Victoria early in the show for having a foreign accent. I'm glad I missed that part. My husband is from a foreign country and speaks with an accent. I am not amused. No class. She and Delvyn just have no class.
Really mixed feelings about Sergio. I don't really follow celebrity gossip, and I was in college at the time, but even I knew about Celine Deon's outfit. Enough has been said about his political pontificating so I won't add to it. OTOH, he was nice to Nancy. I liked how he said the young designers should watch out because she might sneak up on them. That would make my season if she made it into the finale, especially if Brittany or Delvyn got eliminated along the way.
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Post by justCoz on Feb 7, 2020 15:39:19 GMT
Yeah, as much as Sergio annoys me, at least he's kind to Nancy.
I thought Christian would use his save on Brittany, and he did. However, I had forgotten that she had been in the bottom before. I did think she's talented, but I would have been fine with her just leaving without the save.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 7, 2020 15:43:36 GMT
I do somewhat wonder how much Serio's kindness to Nancy is because he's a good guy and how much it is because she's one of the only ones who is nice to him, and he doesn't want to be alone. I may be being unfair to him, but I feel like any good we see in him is for show rather than being his genuine self. At the end of the day, I don't think he'd put himself out for anyone but himself. I'll join the chorus of believing he was telling a big fat lie about not being aware of Celine Dion's Oscar outfit. Like everyone else when he said a backwards tuxedo had never been done I yelled out "Celine Dion" to my empty house. Nina responded to him exactly right - if he truly was not aware of it, he did not belong in fashion. She put him in the perfect spot - either you're lying or you're incompetent. Pick one.
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Post by ibot2much on Feb 7, 2020 16:52:57 GMT
This was not B's first disaster, so I was not cheering CS's save of her. It was a disaster of the first order and worthy of going home.
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Post by maybaybie on Feb 7, 2020 19:41:05 GMT
I'm probably in the minority here, but I really liked Nancy's outfit. I liked the print and I thought it looked great on the model. Yes, the pants she has done many times, but she's not the only one doing that this season.
I also really liked Sergio's dress (him, not so much). I thought it fit the model well and was well made. I think the only reason it brought such talk about the similarities to the Celine outfit was because it was white. Had he chosen a different color, I don't think it would have been as compared as it was. And, for the record, I hated Celine's tuxedo, however I did like Sergio's tuxedo dress.
I didn't like Victoria's tuxedo- I thought it was kind-of boring and the garter seemed a little tacky. Maybe had it been wider or something, but I just didn't think it worked.
Brittany and Delvin were extremely catty as already mentioned. I never understand why people on reality shows do that- they KNOW there are cameras everywhere and it will just make themselves look bad in the end. I do think she deserved the save, as a designer anyway...
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Post by MFWalkoff on Feb 7, 2020 19:58:57 GMT
I'm still puzzled about something -- Sergio claimed total ignorance to Celine Dion's Oscars look to the judges, but when he was pronounced in and went back to the lounge, he sat down, smiled and said, "Celine Dion, 1996." (She actually wore it in 1999, but whatever.)
I don't remember the judges stating what year the look came from. Was he announcing to the group that yes, he did know about the look, and that he was pleased with himself for fooling the judges with his denials? Because it looked that way to me...
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Post by acookertv on Feb 7, 2020 19:58:57 GMT
I'm probably in the minority here, but I really liked Nancy's outfit. I liked the print and I thought it looked great on the model. Yes, the pants she has done many times, but she's not the only one doing that this season. I also really liked Sergio's dress (him, not so much). I thought it fit the model well and was well made. I think the only reason it brought such talk about the similarities to the Celine outfit was because it was white. Had he chosen a different color, I don't think it would have been as compared as it was. And, for the record, I hated Celine's tuxedo, however I did like Sergio's tuxedo dress. I didn't like Victoria's tuxedo- I thought it was kind-of boring and the garter seemed a little tacky. Maybe had it been wider or something, but I just didn't think it worked. Brittany and Delvin were extremely catty as already mentioned. I never understand why people on reality shows do that- they KNOW there are cameras everywhere and it will just make themselves look bad in the end. I do think she deserved the save, as a designer anyway... I thought Nancy's design was fine, but it did not look very formal to me, which is where it fell flat. To me, a tuxedo challenge screams formality, and she made a a nice sleeveless pantsuit. It wasn't work wear, but didn't seem formal to me. I disagree with your saying that the only reason for similarities to Celine's was the color. He hung his entire concept on the "originality" of flipping a tuxedo to be worn backwards. It wasn't original - it was done famously before, whether he used the same color or not. If it had been a different challenge, the similarities may not have been as egregious. But when the challenge is to reimagine a tuxedo, and all he can offer is something that someone else had already done, he has not reimagined anything. I thought that Marquise and Geoffrey both embraced the challenge and NAILED it. The others - all looked to me like Tuxedo inspired designs instead of a reimagination.
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Post by silver18 on Feb 7, 2020 21:48:34 GMT
Sergio, Sergio, Sergio... your ignorance is showing. I can't even begin to help you understand that the current administration would like nothing better than going back to the 50's but you go ahead and make make your political statement. I wasn't in love with any design this week except for Marquise's jacket and glad Christian used his save. Please send Sergio and Nancy home next week.
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Post by ccl on Feb 8, 2020 2:35:14 GMT
They went off on Sergio on the backward tux but said nothing negative to Victoria with her tuxedo dress with the high slit which was so not an original look either? Ok. Fashion is repetitive. His had his own spin (and I think it actually looked nicer than the Celine one, at least the bottom half). Ugh. I’m defending Sergio. What is the world coming to?
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Post by sunnydayz on Feb 8, 2020 3:23:39 GMT
Victoria really annoys me at this point. She commented about Nancy making the same pants over and over, and rolled her eyes in agreement when the judges said the same on the runway. Yet she made the same asymmetrical, criss cross, cut out outfit over and over herself.
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Post by silver18 on Feb 8, 2020 4:51:38 GMT
Victoria really annoys me at this point. She commented about Nancy making the same pants over and over, and rolled her eyes in agreement when the judges said the same on the runway. Yet she made the same asymmetrical, criss cross, cut out outfit over and over herself. Yeah... that was rich 😜
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 8, 2020 8:53:02 GMT
I'm still puzzled about something -- Sergio claimed total ignorance to Celine Dion's Oscars look to the judges, but when he was pronounced in and went back to the lounge, he sat down, smiled and said, "Celine Dion, 1996." (She actually wore it in 1999, but whatever.) I don't remember the judges stating what year the look came from. Was he announcing to the group that yes, he did know about the look, and that he was pleased with himself for fooling the judges with his denials? Because it looked that way to me... I'd have to go back and look, but I had the impression that Sergio had googled the Galliano look (or maybe someone had told him when it was). I think he was still claiming he hadn't known about it, because he said something about having been in grade school in 1996, so how would he have known about it. I don't remember if it was on the After Show video on YouTube or on Andy Cohen's show, but someone asked Christian if he believed that Sergio didn't know about the Galliano tuxedo for Celine Dion, and Christian basically smirked and said "no way!' So he was definitely in the "Sergio lied" camp. I personally think Sergio was telling the truth, but like Nina, I think that's shocking for someone who claims to know fashion. (For the record, While Galliano was one of my favorite designers ever, I hated the Celine Dion backwards tuxedo, but love it or hate it, it was iconic!)
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Post by Bearcata on Feb 8, 2020 14:20:07 GMT
I have been watching Next in Fashion on Netflix and it is way better then PR. What the designers can do in a day and a half is amazing.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Feb 8, 2020 18:00:41 GMT
I'd have to go back and look, but I had the impression that Sergio had googled the Galliano look (or maybe someone had told him when it was). I think he was still claiming he hadn't known about it, because he said something about having been in grade school in 1996, so how would he have known about it. I don't remember if it was on the After Show video on YouTube or on Andy Cohen's show, but someone asked Christian if he believed that Sergio didn't know about the Galliano tuxedo for Celine Dion, and Christian basically smirked and said "no way!' So her was definitely in the Sergio lied camp. I personally think Sergio was telling the truth, but like Nina, I think that's shocking for someone who claims to know fashion. (For the record, While Galiano was one of my favorite designers ever, I hated the Celine Dion backwards tuxedo, but love it or hate it, it was iconic!)That's a truly funny aspect of this whole issue -- all the judges were speaking about that "moment in fashion" with such reverence, BUT, at the time, the fashion media almost universally hated the outfit, and/or the idea of Celine wearing it backwards.
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Post by babbred on Feb 8, 2020 18:55:29 GMT
I'm still puzzled about something -- Sergio claimed total ignorance to Celine Dion's Oscars look to the judges, but when he was pronounced in and went back to the lounge, he sat down, smiled and said, "Celine Dion, 1996." (She actually wore it in 1999, but whatever.) I don't remember the judges stating what year the look came from. Was he announcing to the group that yes, he did know about the look, and that he was pleased with himself for fooling the judges with his denials? Because it looked that way to me... I'd have to go back and look, but I had the impression that Sergio had googled the Galliano look (or maybe someone had told him when it was). I think he was still claiming he hadn't known about it, because he said something about having been in grade school in 1996, so how would he have known about it. I don't remember if it was on the After Show video on YouTube or on Andy Cohen's show, but someone asked Christian if he believed that Sergio didn't know about the Galliano tuxedo for Celine Dion, and Christian basically smirked and said "no way!' So her was definitely in the Sergio lied camp. I personally think Sergio was telling the truth, but like Nina, I think that's shocking for someone who claims to know fashion. (For the record, While Galiano was one of my favorite designers ever, I hated the Celine Dion backwards tuxedo, but love it or hate it, it was iconic!)
Yes. He said something like, "1996. I was in middle school back then!" I also got the impression that somebody told him/he looked it up. His tone definitely indicated "Why in the heck would I have been paying attention to fashion back then when I was concentrating on not getting pimples?" I remember, because it snagged a memory in me. I was in college then, and I remember the controversy at the time. However, unlike Elaine & Nina & Brandon, I had completely forgotten about it until this episode. I mean, I occasionally flip through People or a tabloid when I'm waiting in line at the grocery or at the dr's office. I don't remember seeing that outfit referenced over the years. So in a strange way, I actually believe Sergio. I still find him incredibly annoying, but fair is fair. And yeah, personally, I thought Celine's look was terrible, and that Sergio actually did a prettier version. Go figure.
Speaking of fair, I couldn't remember if it was Victoria or Delvyn who sneered at Nancy for sending out the same pants. Thank you for clarifying that. Talk about the mother of all hypocrites, when the other designers (even Brittany & Delvyn!) have been complaining that Victoria gets away with sending out the same look every week. I swear, if Victoria wins this season I will stop watching. I don't know what the heck is wrong with the judges. They keep returning designers who backtalk them or ignore the challenges or put out variations of the same outfit. The judges on the old PR never would have put up with all this crud. I really hate to say this, but given that most of the lineup on Bravo is trashy reality TV, I wonder if they're trying to pull PR down to that level. It would certainly explain this season, since the designers are at each other's throats and the fans are riled up.
I can't wait until Tim and Heidi's show starts in March.
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Post by Critical on Feb 8, 2020 22:25:33 GMT
I'd have to go back and look, but I had the impression that Sergio had googled the Galliano look (or maybe someone had told him when it was). I think he was still claiming he hadn't known about it, because he said something about having been in grade school in 1996, so how would he have known about it. I don't remember if it was on the After Show video on YouTube or on Andy Cohen's show, but someone asked Christian if he believed that Sergio didn't know about the Galliano tuxedo for Celine Dion, and Christian basically smirked and said "no way!' So her was definitely in the Sergio lied camp. I personally think Sergio was telling the truth, but like Nina, I think that's shocking for someone who claims to know fashion. (For the record, While Galiano was one of my favorite designers ever, I hated the Celine Dion backwards tuxedo, but love it or hate it, it was iconic!)That's a truly funny aspect of this whole issue -- all the judges were speaking about that "moment in fashion" with such reverence, BUT, at the time, the fashion media almost universally hated the outfit, and/or the idea of Celine wearing it backwards. Totally. I remember that dumb suit when she wore it and thought it was poorly fitted AND I hated the hat. I also immediately thought of that suit when Sergio told Christian what he was making. Good or bad, that suit was iconic. Sergio is a big fat liar to say he wasn't aware of it.
I loved that Elaine really blasted him for talking about the 50's like it was so great. He deserved it. Like with most of his "political" designs, his explanation had pretty much nothing to do with the garment. I think he's just hoping that the judges will agree with what he's saying and ignore the weaknesses in his design.
I didn't hate Nancy's design, but I also don't think it looked like a tuxedo in any way. She should have left the sleeves on.
Someone upthread mentioned that Victoria's design with the high slit skirt wasn't original either (like Sergio's design). The difference is that there's been only one backwards white suit that we've seen on the red carpet. While it wasn't my favorite, I liked Victoria's look and the crystal garter (which made the look, IMO). She's still a problem, but I don't think it's her time to go yet. Sergio, OTOH, needs to be gone NOW. I'm tired of his nonsense.
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Post by ccl on Feb 8, 2020 23:08:01 GMT
That was me. The crystal garter wasn’t original either. Lol. I actually thought her dress was poorly made - it bunched and pulled in the middle something awful and nothing was said about that either. I think Victoria has something on the judges.
Sergio is an idiot and I have no problem with him being eliminated. I don’t really have a favourite this year, more ones I root against if anything. I miss Sebastian.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 9, 2020 0:05:16 GMT
That was me. The crystal garter wasn’t original either. Lol. I actually thought her dress was poorly made - it bunched and pulled in the middle something awful and nothing was said about that either. I think Victoria has something on the judges. Sergio is an idiot and I have no problem with him being eliminated. I don’t really have a favourite this year, more ones I root against if anything. I miss Sebastian. I agree about Victoria's dress. It had all sorts of fit issues, In addition to what you've mentioned, it was all loose and sagging around the neckline. I thought it was very strange, given those glaring problems, that the judges commented on how well it fit.
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Post by Arielflies on Feb 9, 2020 4:23:17 GMT
I can't wait until Tim and Heidi's show starts in March.
In the meantime, if you have Netflix, hop on over to NEXT IN FASHION if you want to see a well-done fashion competition show. I was gobsmacked. I really, really liked it.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 9, 2020 6:03:17 GMT
I can't wait until Tim and Heidi's show starts in March.
In the meantime, if you have Netflix, hop on over to NEXT IN FASHION if you want to see a well-done fashion competition show. I was gobsmacked. I really, really liked it. I may need to get Netflix again (for a while at least) just to watch that show. I love Tan France. I'm not as familiar with his co-host.
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Post by justmythoughts on Feb 10, 2020 2:36:40 GMT
The only thing you haven't mentioned is that, on the Carli/Christian set-up, they mentioned different interpretations of a tuxedo and when Christian said he designed Billy's tuxedo dress for the Oscars and they showed the photo, the camera swung to Sergio and his face had fallen...caught out, or et.tu. Brute. I watched Andy Cohen's show with Christian afterward and he said that he doesn't watch the comments or interviews of the designers made during the show. He also said he was not a fan of Sergio bringing politics to the runway, that it should be about the clothes, only. Arielflies: Glad you mentioned this. I could have sworn that at the very beginning of this competition, Sergio laid claim to the tuxedo/dress worn by Billy Porter, so when it was announced that Christian did it.... I thought I had misunderstood. If in fact Sergio DID lie about this, I can't believe it will help him in the judges's eyes. And yes, his "political designing" took a beating this week. Obvious he was winging it, and had no idea what he was talking about. Was surprised the judges kept him in the top three when his outfit was an obvious rip off. Even I, a non fashion person, recognized it as soon as he drew it on the paper. (Maybe I remember it because I thought it was hideous in the first place when Celine wore it.)I am still a fan of Geoffrey's, but was disappointed by the ill fitting jump suit. Not flattering on his model at all. I guess I am glad Brittany was saved. She is usually much better than she was this night. But what pressure she must now feel, wanting to justify the save. Marquis was the clear winner. And his model showed off his design beautifully. He actually looked masculine in the skirt (how could this guy look anything BUT masculine?) On to next week. It is getting down to the short straw.
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