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Post by libgirl2 on Feb 13, 2020 11:58:13 GMT
The age-old debate is, whether the ceremony should be more for the Academy members, or the TV audience. Even though it became a huge media event, ultimately it's the Academy's night to celebrate the industry, including the editors, agents, etc. They already give out the technical awards on another night -- but now we're talking about honoring people who died. And the famous actors and directors know all these tech people from working with them, so the names aren't strange to them. So should the Memoriam be for the viewers, or the people sitting in the seats at the awards?
I wasn't thrilled by Billie Eilish either. I don't get the love for her either. |
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Post by acookertv on Feb 13, 2020 14:06:43 GMT
I've long had a theory with a lot in the entertainment world that there is an emperor's new clothes effect on popularity - that when buzz is created over an album, movie, etc being fantastic, people will jump on the bandwagon to fit in. You either listen for the first time expecting it to be great so you convince yourself it is, or else you listen and think it's not that great but since everyone else says it is you don't want to seem odd so you go along with it. I think that Billie Eilish fits that bill. Heck, since this is the Oscars thread I'll admit that while I think that Parasite was a really great and creative movie, it winning best picture was also an emperor's new clothes effect.
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Post by libgirl2 on Feb 13, 2020 14:26:09 GMT
I've long had a theory with a lot in the entertainment world that there is an emperor's new clothes effect on popularity - that when buzz is created over an album, movie, etc being fantastic, people will jump on the bandwagon to fit in. You either listen for the first time expecting it to be great so you convince yourself it is, or else you listen and think it's not that great but since everyone else says it is you don't want to seem odd so you go along with it. I think that Billie Eilish fits that bill. Heck, since this is the Oscars thread I'll admit that while I think that Parasite was a really great and creative movie, it winning best picture was also an emperor's new clothes effect. I haven't seen it but I agree with your observation. Its different, its trendy (as opposed to 1917 which is more "standard") so it gets the recognition. |
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Post by MFWalkoff on Feb 13, 2020 21:45:11 GMT
I think another part of it was Parasite winning the SAG award for best cast over the other frontrunners. I think that caused a lot of Academy voters to decide to watch it when they might not have before.
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Post by Critical on Feb 13, 2020 22:03:47 GMT
Agreed. I also think that, if the voting for Best Song had happened after the performances of each song, Elton John would NOT have won. Sorry, still irritated that Cynthia Erivo didn't win. Voting for the well known singer seemed like laziness to me  |
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Post by MFWalkoff on Feb 13, 2020 22:34:32 GMT
Agreed. I think Elton John's win was a consolation prize after the movie was snubbed for other nominations, especially Taron Egerton for Best Actor. After EJ performed the song, someone on Twitter remarked that the song sounded suspiciously like the theme from The Golden Girls. And after hearing it, DAYUM they were right!  |
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Post by Kao on Feb 13, 2020 23:12:09 GMT
I think another part of it was Parasite winning the SAG award for best cast over the other frontrunners. I think that caused a lot of Academy voters to decide to watch it when they might not have before. Not to mention it's just a good movie with a new and unique premise, and when was the last time Hollywood has cranked out one of those? Lots of remakes, biopics that stretch the truth quite a bit and Marvel. Bong Joon-ho's movies are always rated high and he's quite an accomplished director in Korea, it just happens that this particular movie got a standing ovation at Cannes when it premiered, immediately got an American distributor, and has received great ratings and word of mouth since. It's more than just "Oh, it's trendy to like this!" because I think people have been wanting to see something fresh and to see stories that haven't been told ad nauseum for a very long time. Quite simply, it was the right movie at the right time.
If you enjoyed Parasite and want to see more of his films Memories of Murder will be in the Criterion Collection soon. It's a great crime film. Another film that got a lot of press this year and probably would have gotten Best Foreign Film if Parasite wasn't in the running is Portrait of a Lady on Fire. It's an excellent film that deserved all the accolades it got this year and will also be available through the Criterion Collection.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 13, 2020 23:37:55 GMT
I think that Get Out was an example of a good movie with a unique premise. So while Hollywood pumps a lot more of the remakes, biopics and superheroes, there’s still some originality out there. I don’t disagree that Parasite was really good and unique. But I thought it had some big plot holes. I think it deserved to be on the best picture list, but not the winner. I think it benefitted a great deal from the hype machine to win. I agree the Sag win helped drive the bandwagon, but I think it was more a bandwagon then a discovery of greatness.
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Post by Kao on Feb 14, 2020 0:31:13 GMT
I think that Get Out was an example of a good movie with a unique premise. So while Hollywood pumps a lot more of the remakes, biopics and superheroes, there’s still some originality out there. I don’t disagree that Parasite was really good and unique. But I thought it had some big plot holes. I think it deserved to be on the best picture list, but not the winner. I think it benefitted a great deal from the hype machine to win. I agree the Sag win helped drive the bandwagon, but I think it was more a bandwagon then a discovery of greatness. If you want to discuss the plot holes without spoiling for others my inbox is open. The movie leans heavily on symbolism, and some things (like the style of houses, etc) you would only get if you've lived in Korea or are familiar with Korean culture. |
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Post by Amy Lee on Feb 14, 2020 2:18:12 GMT
I've long had a theory with a lot in the entertainment world that there is an emperor's new clothes effect on popularity - that when buzz is created over an album, movie, etc being fantastic, people will jump on the bandwagon to fit in. You either listen for the first time expecting it to be great so you convince yourself it is, or else you listen and think it's not that great but since everyone else says it is you don't want to seem odd so you go along with it. I think that Billie Eilish fits that bill. Heck, since this is the Oscars thread I'll admit that while I think that Parasite was a really great and creative movie, it winning best picture was also an emperor's new clothes effect. I actually like Cardi B but I feel like this could totally apply to her. |
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Post by FireWoman on Feb 16, 2020 17:41:54 GMT
The Academy does a more complete list in their 'In Memoriam' slideshow on their website. This year's list has 164 entries, so it's easy to see why all of them wouldn't make it to the TV show. It would take a half hour to get through them all. Now matter how they edit the list down for TV, someone's not going to be happy. Oscars In Memoriam 2020 - Oscar.comFair or not, I feel like they should include the "big" names in the segment that's aired on TV. They give a whole mess of Oscars at a different ceremony that isn't even broadcast because there really isn't that much interest with the wider viewing public. They should put the well-known faces on the TV and leave the largely unknown editors, talent agents, etc. for the longer segment on the website. JMHO.
I know some people were upset that Tim Conway wasn't in the In Memorium, but in that case, I don't know that he should have been. He was almost exclusively a TV actor.
I guess I'm in the minority. I didn't love Billie Eilish's rendition of "Yesterday." I also think she showed her immaturity throwing snotty faces in the audience. She's talented, but that business isn't all about talent.
As a huge Billie fan I will say that was not her best, and she has even said as much. She does have a beautiful voice but that song was not for her. As far as her maturity, i feel that for someone of her age she actually has a lot of maturity she takes constructive critiques very well and appreciates the honesty. She has a great deal of talent and she will mature into the other things.. she is a child still for the most part. |
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