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Post by MFWalkoff on Mar 27, 2020 4:28:17 GMT
Ep 02: Haute Couture - Heidi and Tim meet up with the designers to give them their next assignment: a two-look, Haute-Couture inspired mini collection for a fashion show that will take place at the historic Musée Des Arts Décoratifs. As the fashion show draws near, an indecisive designer struggles to stay on track, while another designer attempts to push their creative boundaries. Now streaming on Amazon Prime Video.
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Post by Kao on Mar 27, 2020 14:39:26 GMT
I'm noticing something about this show that isn't so cute. Not trying to start a debate here, but the people who they decide to feature and the people who barely get any screentime...is not a good look. Hopefully it will be different for the next show. I had to laugh at the designer who said that he went to this pompous school, and made all these avant garde outfits--and then the next shot is him working at a Belgian fast food restaurant!  I'm not mad though; sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get to where you want to go. How big a budget do these people get for fabric? That Southern girl picked out two pricey fabrics, decided she couldn't work with them and went back to the store to pick up 2 more pricey fabrics! Then she decided that "the stress was too much" and walked out of the workroom and out in the streets. It took Tim to convince her to come back. She annoyed me for the sheer fact that she was a mess and so much screen time was wasted on her that could have been spent getting to know the other designers that were barely featured! The Musée Des Arts Décoratifs is an absolutely beautiful place to have a fashion show. I would say that out of the fashion shows this one has the best runways; they are opulent and enhance the designs rather than overwhelm them (a problem I had with Next in Fashion). I'm also enjoying the Tim and Heidi shorts of them just enjoying Parisian things between the fashions; in this episode Heidi got to perform with the Moulin Rouge dancers. Out of the judges, Naomi Campbell and French lady have the best feedback. The designer is mostly quiet, but his comments tend to be thoughtful. Nicole is somewhere between making good comments and being useless. So glad that Southern girl went home. Naomi ripped her a new one; she deliberately had her bring one of her dresses up to the judges so she could show them it was held together with safety pins (a fact she already knew, but wanted the other judges to know as well as letting the girl know you can't put anything over poor Naomi). She also took the other dress apart showing it was only wrapped around the model's body and then stated "You have to have a certain respect for haute couture...and this isn't it." Naomi is SO DAMN SHADY on this show and what makes it funnier is she's saying what everyone else is thinking. Yay again at my fav winning! |
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Post by Arielflies on Mar 27, 2020 23:22:45 GMT
After watching both episodes, I was surprised that I got a feeling of claustrophobia...mainly because I was holding my breath a lot and not in a good way. To me, Heidi and Tim felt forced in their enthusiasm for the designers. Since Next in Fashion, designers from around the world is not a new concept. I liked the two non-USA designers the best - Germany and Italy. They have the most gravitas of an of the others I noticed. Frankly I was embarrassed by a few of the USA designers.
Anyway, I'll continue to watch and hope they will tell us more about the fabrics and the designers careers to his point in time.
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Post by kocky_Kamikaze on Mar 28, 2020 2:22:53 GMT
I can’t believe that the winning dress already sold out! Sheesh! I guess I’ll see it posted up again on EBay or something like that with a higher price tag. 😕
The juniors clothing designer had waaay too much screen time. But she was indeed a character. To me it seems like she wanted to be like a Betsy Johnson-ish character?
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Post by Kao on Mar 28, 2020 3:06:20 GMT
At least Betsy knows how to sew!
I watched again tonight and she had the lions share of screen time and frankly I found her annoying. It was like it was her show and they just squeezed everyone else in. Granted, most designers get someone else to sew for them but good Lord, most of them at least know the basics! Christian Siriano has seamstresses now but if push came to shove you know he could stitch the hell out of a dress. How did she get on this show in the first place?
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Post by Critical on Mar 28, 2020 3:31:02 GMT
I fully understand that designers generally do not sew their own pieces. However, how on earth can a designer not know HOW to sew? And why would they cast her on this show? Many designers DO have to sew their own stuff when they start out - there's no money for seamstresses. I mean, we saw in episode 1 that Esther hadn't done much sewing for about 15 years, but she still did it; she was just rusty. There's a difference. Martha MORE than deserved to go home, Did she really think she'd get away with putting a garment on the runway that she'd literally thrown together with safety pins? I guess she thought picking wild fabrics would save her. It reminded me a bit of Brittany on PR and that hot pink dress. The difference, of course, is that Brittany actually sewed that garment. Naomi had the same reaction of Jonny's "kimono" that I did: it looked like a robe they give you at the hairdressers. Naomi's pretty savage (and from the previews, it looks like she becomes even more brutal), but I prefer that to sugar-coating things. At least you know where she stands. Plus, she didn't hate everything, so it's not as if she showed up ready to just bash all of it. She clearly had pieces she liked. Heidi's face as it looked like Nicole and Naomi were about to throw down I'm enjoying seeing them create two looks. While most people never wear a couture piece, it's an important part of the fashion industry. I certainly hope they added a few inches to Ji Won's look when they sold it on Amazon  That walked right up to the edge of lewd. A few inches longer and it would be super cute, but WAY too short. If you sat down in that, it would cause an incident. |
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Post by Navybelle on Mar 28, 2020 4:21:39 GMT
I agree w/ most of everyone's posts! How could Martha go on a show, and be cast on a show, and not know how to sew or cut patterns? Wow. Besides drawing/sketching, and then choosing the fabrics, what would you do all day if you can't cut, can't sew anything, etc? They keep saying it's not a sewing competition, but then it's not fair to have the seamstresses only available overnight and not on demand if you're in a timed competition.
Naomi Campbell was downright disgusted at the lack of respect for haute couture! She is a bear. I didn't think most of the looks were couture either, though.
I'm glad the white dress kind of "won" too, since she keeps coming in second to Esther, and I think she's got great ideas!
But some of those looks were cheap looking, weird, or boring. I still wonder how some of them got in this competition (Will? Sander?). At least Sander's couture look was weird, which it was supposed to be.
The locations are stunning, and I'm looking forward to seeing more. Seeing Tim again is so nice too, he's such a nice man.
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Post by babbred on Mar 28, 2020 17:27:12 GMT
I fully understand that designers generally do not sew their own pieces. However, how on earth can a designer not know HOW to sew? And why would they cast her on this show? Many designers DO have to sew their own stuff when they start out - there's no money for seamstresses. I mean, we saw in episode 1 that Esther hadn't done much sewing for about 15 years, but she still did it; she was just rusty. There's a difference. Martha MORE than deserved to go home, Did she really think she'd get away with putting a garment on the runway that she'd literally thrown together with safety pins? I guess she thought picking wild fabrics would save her. It reminded me a bit of Brittany on PR and that hot pink dress. The difference, of course, is that Brittany actually sewed that garment. Naomi had the same reaction of Jonny's "kimono" that I did: it looked like a robe they give you at the hairdressers. Naomi's pretty savage (and from the previews, it looks like she becomes even more brutal), but I prefer that to sugar-coating things. At least you know where she stands. Plus, she didn't hate everything, so it's not as if she showed up ready to just bash all of it. She clearly had pieces she liked. Heidi's face as it looked like Nicole and Naomi were about to throw down I'm enjoying seeing them create two looks. While most people never wear a couture piece, it's an important part of the fashion industry. I certainly hope they added a few inches to Ji Won's look when they sold it on Amazon That walked right up to the edge of lewd. A few inches longer and it would be super cute, but WAY too short. If you sat down in that, it would cause an incident.
Amen to everything you said about Martha. I confess I was biased since I hated her design aesthetic. As somebody pointed out, though, at least Hester from PR could sew and, if you liked her style, produce outfits that were decent. Besides the lack of sewing, the other thing that really bugged me about Martha was her sense of entitlement. For both episodes she threw away perfectly good pieces of fabric because she suddenly that she didn't like them. And in the second challenge she threw out that gingham blouse that had already been sewn. What disrespect for the seamtsress who worked to get it ready for her! So yeah, I shed no tears when she left. Oh, and this might be kind of nitpicky, but I'm a fellow Southerner, so I'll say it.  Choosing that purple and gold fabric because it reminded her of LSU was just tacky. Don't get me wrong; I love our city's NFL team. I would never dream, though, of choosing a fabric in their colors for a couture challenge.
Overall, I love this show. Yes, the segments with Heidi and Tim are a little cheesy. But right now, it' good to see people having fun. I loved all those shots of Paris. My husband has actually been there, so he loved seeing The Moulin Rouge. (Although I think it's a little hypocritical for Heidi to complain about too-short runway looks, when she was wearing next to nothing while she danced!) Oh, that runway show with the Eiffel Tower in the background was just awesome. And so was that other one in the museum. I'm looking forward to seeing their other shows.
I loved Naomi Cambell. She's just being British when she fusses. We lived in England for a while, and I loved watching Project Catwalk. I remember one season they had this Welsh girl on. I can't remember what she did to annoy the judge, I just remember him snapping, "So why is it there's never been a famous designer from Wales?" Ouch. Anyway, I liked Campbell because she was usually spot-on with her criticisms. I LOL when that kimono outfit came down and she groaned "Oh no no no." That's exactly what I was thinking! And she was right. Haute Couture is supposed to be the highest level of fashion, but some of those outfits looked like you could pick them up off-the-rack at Sears.
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Post by Kao on Mar 28, 2020 20:14:04 GMT
I fully understand that designers generally do not sew their own pieces. However, how on earth can a designer not know HOW to sew? And why would they cast her on this show? Many designers DO have to sew their own stuff when they start out - there's no money for seamstresses. I mean, we saw in episode 1 that Esther hadn't done much sewing for about 15 years, but she still did it; she was just rusty. There's a difference. Martha MORE than deserved to go home, Did she really think she'd get away with putting a garment on the runway that she'd literally thrown together with safety pins? I guess she thought picking wild fabrics would save her. It reminded me a bit of Brittany on PR and that hot pink dress. The difference, of course, is that Brittany actually sewed that garment. Naomi had the same reaction of Jonny's "kimono" that I did: it looked like a robe they give you at the hairdressers. Naomi's pretty savage (and from the previews, it looks like she becomes even more brutal), but I prefer that to sugar-coating things. At least you know where she stands. Plus, she didn't hate everything, so it's not as if she showed up ready to just bash all of it. She clearly had pieces she liked. Heidi's face as it looked like Nicole and Naomi were about to throw down I'm enjoying seeing them create two looks. While most people never wear a couture piece, it's an important part of the fashion industry. I certainly hope they added a few inches to Ji Won's look when they sold it on Amazon That walked right up to the edge of lewd. A few inches longer and it would be super cute, but WAY too short. If you sat down in that, it would cause an incident.
Amen to everything you said about Martha. I confess I was biased since I hated her design aesthetic. As somebody pointed out, though, at least Hester from PR could sew and, if you liked her style, produce outfits that were decent. Besides the lack of sewing, the other thing that really bugged me about Martha was her sense of entitlement. For both episodes she threw away perfectly good pieces of fabric because she suddenly that she didn't like them. And in the second challenge she threw out that gingham blouse that had already been sewn. What disrespect for the seamtsress who worked to get it ready for her! So yeah, I shed no tears when she left. Oh, and this might be kind of nitpicky, but I'm a fellow Southerner, so I'll say it. Choosing that purple and gold fabric because it reminded her of LSU was just tacky. Don't get me wrong; I love our city's NFL team. I would never dream, though, of choosing a fabric in their colors for a couture challenge.
Overall, I love this show. Yes, the segments with Heidi and Tim are a little cheesy. But right now, it' good to see people having fun. I loved all those shots of Paris. My husband has actually been there, so he loved seeing The Moulin Rouge. (Although I think it's a little hypocritical for Heidi to complain about too-short runway looks, when she was wearing next to nothing while she danced!) Oh, that runway show with the Eiffel Tower in the background was just awesome. And so was that other one in the museum. I'm looking forward to seeing their other shows.
I loved Naomi Cambell. She's just being British when she fusses. We lived in England for a while, and I loved watching Project Catwalk. I remember one season they had this Welsh girl on. I can't remember what she did to annoy the judge, I just remember him snapping, "So why is it there's never been a famous designer from Wales?" Ouch. Anyway, I liked Campbell because she was usually spot-on with her criticisms. I LOL when that kimono outfit came down and she groaned "Oh no no no." That's exactly what I was thinking! And she was right. Haute Couture is supposed to be the highest level of fashion, but some of those outfits looked like you could pick them up off-the-rack at Sears.
Goodness, yes. She's that person everyone knows who is less than competent at their job but because they're pretty, or have money, or connections people are willing to blow smoke up their ass and give them chances that more talented people who don't have those attributes don't get. Someone on the Making the Cut facebook page said that all the designers get a lump sum for fabric to last them for the whole competition. The fact that she got 3 pricey fabrics for what is the second week speaks volumes.
I know they are cheesy, but I too enjoy the shots of Paris and the Heidi and Tim shorts. I also love the fact that the designers got a chance to see landmarks, museums, etc to inspire them in their work.
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Post by babbred on Mar 28, 2020 21:41:18 GMT
I was so busy carping over Martha, I forgot about the other eliminated designer, Jasmine. "Size fluid"? Good grief.  I am a middle-aged, overweight woman. If one of those rail-thin models and myself can all wear the same outfit, then that's not a good outfit. That's a piece of fabric that's been draped and probably would look like a tent on the model.
I loved seeing Paris, too. Maybe they should gone inside the Louve and seen what inspiration the Mona Lisa could give them.  Speaking of which, I didn't mind that ginormous doughnut dress. At least that looked like haute couture. I'd rather see that than the kimono/bathrobe again. |
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Post by Critical on Mar 28, 2020 22:54:55 GMT
Overall, I love this show. Yes, the segments with Heidi and Tim are a little cheesy. But right now, it' good to see people having fun. I loved all those shots of Paris. My husband has actually been there, so he loved seeing The Moulin Rouge. (Although I think it's a little hypocritical for Heidi to complain about too-short runway looks, when she was wearing next to nothing while she danced!) Oh, that runway show with the Eiffel Tower in the background was just awesome. And so was that other one in the museum. I'm looking forward to seeing their other shows. Disagree. Those are two completely different contexts. The dancers at the Moulin Rouge have been known for over a century for being titillating and for dressing provocatively. Dance costumes, even outside revues like the Moulin Rouge, are generally form-fitting and show the body. You have to be able to MOVE. OTOH, Heidi calling out designers who put too-short garments on the runway is totally valid. There are different standards for garments that will be worn in everyday life by regular people who don't work as dancers in a racy revue. It's apples and oranges.
Totally agree about Jasmine and her "size fluid" nonsense. It's no better than One Size Fits All - that means one size flatters none....or maybe a few. Neither of the dresses she designed were interesting or new. They were lazy, IMO.
I liked the donut crotch design too. It looked like couture. At least it was inventive and different.
I'm not a fan of Naomi Campbell as a person - her anger management issues and connections to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are particularly troubling - but she knows fashion.
I don't dislike Nicole Richie as much as I thought I would. She had some good criticism.
Has Heidi's hair always been so blah? I feel like she needs a trim and a new hairstylist.
IMO, it's unfair to only give the designers access to seamstresses overnight. They should also be on hand in the workroom. It was especially unfair in the case of Esther when the seamstress just didn't sew her garment.
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Post by babbred on Mar 30, 2020 14:15:43 GMT
Overall, I love this show. Yes, the segments with Heidi and Tim are a little cheesy. But right now, it' good to see people having fun. I loved all those shots of Paris. My husband has actually been there, so he loved seeing The Moulin Rouge. (Although I think it's a little hypocritical for Heidi to complain about too-short runway looks, when she was wearing next to nothing while she danced!) Oh, that runway show with the Eiffel Tower in the background was just awesome. And so was that other one in the museum. I'm looking forward to seeing their other shows. Disagree. Those are two completely different contexts. The dancers at the Moulin Rouge have been known for over a century for being titillating and for dressing provocatively. Dance costumes, even outside revues like the Moulin Rouge, are generally form-fitting and show the body. You have to be able to MOVE. OTOH, Heidi calling out designers who put too-short garments on the runway is totally valid. There are different standards for garments that will be worn in everyday life by regular people who don't work as dancers in a racy revue. It's apples and oranges.
Totally agree about Jasmine and her "size fluid" nonsense. It's no better than One Size Fits All - that means one size flatters none....or maybe a few. Neither of the dresses she designed were interesting or new. They were lazy, IMO.
I liked the donut crotch design too. It looked like couture. At least it was inventive and different.
I'm not a fan of Naomi Campbell as a person - her anger management issues and connections to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are particularly troubling - but she knows fashion.
I don't dislike Nicole Richie as much as I thought I would. She had some good criticism.
Has Heidi's hair always been so blah? I feel like she needs a trim and a new hairstylist.
IMO, it's unfair to only give the designers access to seamstresses overnight. They should also be on hand in the workroom. It was especially unfair in the case of Esther when the seamstress just didn't sew her garment.
That's a great way to put it! 
I didn't know Campbell had a dodgy past. Sigh. There goes my admiration.
I thought the same thing about the seamstress. If Esther had been able to meet the lady in person and show her what she needed, that disaster wouldn't have happened.
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Post by justCoz on Mar 31, 2020 2:38:53 GMT
I concur with much of what has already been said. Martha could have gone the first episode. Tim should have let her quit. I think she just pinned it to be sent home because she was over being there.
I like the Heidi and Tim segments! It seemed like we got to see more of the judges critiques in the second episode, which was better.
I don't love the runway segment. I think they're trying to show off their video rather than showcasing the garments enough. I want to see those closer up. The far away shots are cool, so I wouldn't mind them if they then spent longer in a close-up view.
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Post by Bearcata on Mar 31, 2020 3:24:27 GMT
Wow, Martha you had two whole days. You have your own brand and a seamtress available and you wrapped your models in cloth and safety pinned it and called it haute courture. Wow.
At least of Next In Fashion where the one guy could not sew he was a fashion director and at least could direct and get things done.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 31, 2020 4:29:25 GMT
I agree with the things that people have said in comparing Martha and Hester from project runway. Hester was frazzled in the beginning, too, but she managed to pull it together. Martha just kept spinning out.
The way she kept buying things and not using them was nuts. If she didn't like how bright that Louisiana floral was, she could have used the wrong side. It looked like the color went all the way through but was more subtle from the back. Her problem-solving skills were severely lacking in this instance.
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Post by Bearcata on Mar 31, 2020 7:13:16 GMT
On Netflix there is a series called 7 Days Out, one of the episodes is about Carl Lagerfield getting ready for a runway showing on Chanel haute couture. Watch it if you can. There are so many scenes showing the clothes being made it is exquisite. I totally understand Naomi's reaction to some of the designers pieces being disrespectful.
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Post by lizard on Mar 31, 2020 17:05:57 GMT
I am really enjoying Making the Cut. It is better than the last versions of Project Runway.
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I'm not mad though; sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get to where you want to go.
That walked right up to the edge of lewd. A few inches longer and it would be super cute, but WAY too short. If you sat down in that, it would cause an incident. 
Choosing that purple and gold fabric because it reminded her of LSU was just tacky. Don't get me wrong; I love our city's NFL team. I would never dream, though, of choosing a fabric in their colors for a couture challenge. 
I am a middle-aged, overweight woman. If one of those rail-thin models and myself can all wear the same outfit, then that's not a good outfit. That's a piece of fabric that's been draped and probably would look like a tent on the model.
Speaking of which, I didn't mind that ginormous doughnut dress. At least that looked like haute couture. I'd rather see that than the kimono/bathrobe again.
