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Post by MFWalkoff on May 3, 2020 2:39:24 GMT
We're still in the dark about any potential new season this year, so I'm starting this thread for us to post when we are binge-watching old seasons, or for posting favorite episodes, clips or moments from old seasons. Big Brother Home Page - CBS.com--------------------- Today I have been binge-watching BB17 since I haven't watched it in a while. I imagine I may fast-forward a little once Jason is evicted, but so far I'm entertained. Clay and Shelly still bug me though. Vanessa hasn't emerged yet as the dominant player -- I think I'm in week 2 right now.
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Post by MFWalkoff on May 3, 2020 3:52:55 GMT
Today I have been binge-watching BB17 since I haven't watched it in a while. I imagine I may fast-forward a little once Jason is evicted, but so far I'm entertained. Clay and Shelly still bug me though. Vanessa hasn't emerged yet as the dominant player -- I think I'm in week 2 right now. I forgot how Johnny Mac figured out the twin twist on his own by noticing the different dental work in each of their mouths. (Too bad it was after half the house already knew about it)
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Post by polarpi on May 6, 2020 15:41:35 GMT
I’ve been rewatching Season 10 - I’ve forgotten so many things about it from first viewing but the people that irritate me are still annoying! 😂😂
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Post by MissScarlet on May 17, 2020 0:34:14 GMT
I enjoy watching BB every Summer, but I have no desire whatsoever to rewatch any of the previous seasons. By the time the season in over I never want to see the cast members again. We just get to see so much ugly behavior, or worse. I usually find most of the cast disgusting. Even the decent ones I'm also glad to be rid of. We see them "warts and all", and I don't want to see the warts.
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Post by vanillalatte on Jun 24, 2020 13:26:44 GMT
I recently got CBS All Access and have binged just about everything else over the past 3 months, so I decided old BB episodes were next. Here's my observations so far:
BB Over the Top was actually a lot of fun! I didn't have CBSAA when it first aired, so I had never seen it. I actually really liked it! It was necessarily stripped down, and it made me wish for some of the simplicity of the early seasons.
Season 1 - I didn't actually start watching BB until Season 4, so I was looking forward to seeing the roots of BB. I made it through the first 12 episodes and had to skip ahead to the end. WAY too slow. Nothing going on. I was really happy to see Chicken George, but I kept wondering how in the world this show made it past that first season.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jun 24, 2020 15:36:10 GMT
I recently got CBS All Access and have binged just about everything else over the past 3 months, so I decided old BB episodes were next. Here's my observations so far: BB Over the Top was actually a lot of fun! I didn't have CBSAA when it first aired, so I had never seen it. I actually really liked it! It was necessarily stripped down, and it made me wish for some of the simplicity of the early seasons. BBOTT was great for doing things stripped-down, you're so right. It showed how much the regular show had become so bloated with twists, themes and production meddling. Seeing the competitions played live, with stops/hiccups and all, was such a revelation. I'm sure there are some things they could take from BBOTT to adapt to the new season in terms of dealing with the virus -- especially the nomination ceremony with the remote flashers that indicated who was safe, one by one. It would have been a perfect season if Jason had won, but that's just me.
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Post by vanillalatte on Jun 24, 2020 20:49:38 GMT
It would have been a perfect season if Jason had won, but that's just me. COMPLETELY AGREE!!! I was pretty mad about that, but otherwise, I loved it! So now, I'm on to Season 2. (It's nice, mindless noise while I'm working from home!) I miss the key-box nomination ceremony, but the light up pendents were really cool, too!
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Post by vanillalatte on Jun 26, 2020 17:40:59 GMT
Season 2 - First time seeing Dr. Will's first trip to the BB house. The guy is a master. I knew he'd won because I watched All-Stars, but to see how he did it! Once he lost Boogie, I couldn't figure out how in the world he was going to make it through. I will say this...players are much more savvy now. I wonder if his tactics would still work. I kind of doubt it.
I really miss the simplicity of some of the early season games. Tying the balloons to the baskets to get them over the wall...so much fun to watch. Bigger is not always better. The food and luxury comps. I miss those. The nomination ceremony with the circular key box...I miss that.
As for the people, Kent stayed way too long. Since I'd never seen this season, I was excited to see Hardy and Bunky. People here have talked about them so much, but it was fun to actually see their gameplay.
Only a few episodes of season 2 to go, and then on to season 3!
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Post by vanillalatte on Jul 1, 2020 12:28:50 GMT
I don't know if anyone is still reading this or even cares (HA!) but I'm almost done with Season 4.
A few thoughts on Season 3. This was the first season that I actually watched on TV, so it was fun to revisit my first experience with BB and the house guests. Marcellas's bonehead move of using the very first Golden Veto to save Amy was just as dumb now was it seemed then. Danielle....girl was totally robbed. Any other season, she would have won, and she is the reason why the jury started to be sequestered in Season 4. Almost every houseguest walked out of that house saying they were rooting for her, but their ability to watch from home poisoned that jury. Lisa played a good game, but Danielle should have won that season.
Season 4 - I'm remembering a great deal of dislike by the audience for Alison. I'm trying to remember why. Was it something from the live feeds? Watching the shows, she's playing a REALLY smart game and she's very self-aware throughout. I just finished the episode where she is talking to Robert and realizes that he's the only one she can beat in the finals. She's a floater, and yes, I get that nobody likes a floater, but she and Jun were really so strategic about it. BB4 was also the first season of the permanent Golden Veto and jury sequester.
Just a few thoughts as I'm watching these old seasons...I really hope that, if the rumors of a venue change are true, BB is forced to go back to basics on a few things. Less production value on the competitions, fewer twists, and a stripped down, early season type game would be really fun to watch again.
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Post by vanillalatte on Jul 2, 2020 20:18:07 GMT
Season 5 - The 4 Horseman. Oh, how I remember hating Jace and Scott. I'm not even halfway through it yet, but I had to stop an post quick, because Jace was just voted out in the most satisfying BB moment of the season! But to make it even better, I just laughed out loud at Holly coming to meet him during his post-show interview. As they sat on the couch talking to Julie, I found it so hysterical how Jace just squirmed and kept leaning away from Holly. And his FACE when she she said "oh yeah, that's my guy!" I'm dying!!!
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Post by acookertv on Jul 7, 2020 19:35:56 GMT
I just got a new Roku and with it could get a free week of CBS All Access. So I'm going to see how many old seasons I can binge in a week! I started with season 3 because I love love love the way Danielle played the game. I'd totally forgotten about food competitions!!!!! I miss those days along with the peanut butter and jelly!
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jul 7, 2020 19:58:26 GMT
They really do need to bring back food comps. Just picking people to be on slop is boring.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 7, 2020 20:14:37 GMT
it also added to the camaraderie in the house. They had to work together for food, and had to get creative when they didn't have much. I felt that way about the PB&J instead of slop too. There were some house guests that used to get really creative in what could be made with those three ingredients! I'm probably better off not going the whole summer with a mad craving for peanut butter. But it was better!
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Post by vanillalatte on Jul 10, 2020 12:57:26 GMT
I haven't checked in for a bit, but I'm glad to see someone else is watching old seasons, too. Since the last time, I've watched seasons 6, 7, and am almost done with 8.
So, season 6, fell in love with Janelle, Howie and Kaysar all over again. I had forgotten how self-righteous the Nerd Herd was. Maggie really was a nightmare.
Season 7 - All Stars. Where did fun Howie go? He was there for a bit, but completely disappeared after a bit and turned into annoying, angry Howie. And the whole house had SO many chances to get rid of Will and/or Boogie...I just don't know how they didn't get together and compare notes long before Janelle and Erika talked at the end. By then, it was too late.
Season 8 - I remember watching this season and completely loathing Evel Dick. Why am I enjoying watching him so much more this time? I don't know. Yeah, he's crass and a jerk and annoying as heck. But I'm finding myself laughing so hard at his antics this time and actually appreciating his gameplay. I still think Danielle played a better game than he did, but the truth is that she would have been gone without him.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 10, 2020 13:15:41 GMT
It is funny how with the benefit of knowing the outcome, some things don't seem quite as certain as they did watching the first time! Will and Evel Dick both go from seeming like jerks to seeming like good game players!
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Post by acookertv on Jul 12, 2020 18:54:41 GMT
The past couple of days I’ve been rewatching season 6. My memories of this season are loving Kayler for thinking three steps ahead, loving Janelle and Howie, and despising Maggie, Ivette, Cappy and crew. I remember this as a season so many people were so angry that the final two were two people as I likable as Maggie and Ivette.
Upon rewatching it, I’m realizing that they won because the other side played such boneheaded games! Kayler wasn’t thinking ahead as far as I remember him doing. He showed too many of his cards and when he had power didn’t really think about what would happen when he didn’t have it. Then, Janelle and Howie stopped playing with strategy and when each of them had power they made emotional short sighted moves instead of playing strategically. They had multiple chances to get strong players out and each time decided instead to carry out vendettas. When Kaysar left the numbers were in their favor. But they let Maggie and ivette plant seeds of doubt and imploded their own alliance evening out the numbers.
Maggie was not a charismatic player. The whining of her group ... really most of the house ... wasn’t fun. But I’m realizing she played a smart game. She controlled the information she gave out and was smart about what she gathered. I won’t say she played as smart as Derek a few years later. But she played a similar game and didn’t get credit for it because she didn’t explain it and wasn’t likable.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jul 12, 2020 20:27:02 GMT
Agreed about the gameplay. Kayser basically sealed his and his alliance's fate when he let Jennifer (ugh I couldn't stand her) win the pressure cooker HOH. There was absolutely no reason to trust her or anyone on her side at that point. They had just lost their idol/guru Eric for a second time when America picked Kayser to return. After that, the SOVs just made one bad decision after another.
America still rooted for them simply because they were more fun to watch than the stuck-up, preachy Friendship. And because Janelle and James kept winning comps to save them.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 13, 2020 1:27:20 GMT
Rachel should have won that season. I think her biggest mistake was to not watch Howie like a hawk when he was HOH. She tried to down play their bind. But she should have attached herself to his hip and not let him make any choices without her,
It also surprised me to see some of the comments made about Kayser being Iraqui that I don’t think would fly now!
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jul 13, 2020 6:38:11 GMT
BB6 Rachel is someone I would love to see on this alleged All Stars season coming up!
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Post by vanillalatte on Jul 15, 2020 17:26:55 GMT
It's been a few days since I checked in. I just started season 12...so I'm dealing with Brendan and Rachael right now. Heaven help me.
Season 9 - seriously, I skipped this one. I did start it, and made it through about 3 episodes wondering why I could not, for the life of me, remember anyone from that season. Then around episode 3, it hit me. First, this was the "winter season" that they threw together at the last minute due to the writers strike. Second, this was the season that Adam won. He's the one that use his winnings to fund his illegal oxy business, and I just wasn't going to put myself through watching him win again.
Season 10 - Dan Gheesling! But this was also the season of Renny, Jerry, Memphis and Keesha. If memory serves, this is the last time that an older-than-average houseguest made it very far. I often wonder why that is. They are not a physical threat for the end of the game, and if strong players can rope them into an alliance and protect them, they are an extra vote. It was pretty obvious that Ollie/April/Michelle alliance did just that with Jerry, and Memphis and Dan did the same with Renny. Jerry did get a couple of lucky wins later in the game to make final 3, but would not have made it that far without an alliance that protected him and an opposing alliance who saw him as the least threatening person.
Season 11 - Jeff and Jordan! I love those two so much, and just fell in love with them over again. I remember a lot of backlash from fans over Jordan's win (even though she was a fan favorite) because the feeling was the Jeff dragged her along. Would she have made it that far without Jeff? Oh heck no. But isn't that what Big Brother is about? Aligning with strong players who can help you advance your game. She did just that. Jeff's fatal mistake was back when he cut Russell loose too early, but had they not done it then, they may not have gotten the opportunity. I don't think Russell was going to stick with them longer than another week, so they'd have been badly outnumbered by strong players in both Russell and Natalie. Natalie's mistake was lying and backstabbing her own alliance so much. She had to know that they would compare notes when they got to jury. Bad jury management.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 15, 2020 17:39:57 GMT
yesterday was the last day of my free trial. I may subscribe and pay to watch more after I watch what I want on Apple TV and cancel that. To maximize my memories, I binged yesterday as many seasons as I could by watching the cast intros in the first episode of each season, up to the point that they sat around the couches introducing themselves. Then I skipped to finale of each season for the recap of the big moments of each season. Doing that I realized there are a few others I'd like to go back to watch. Oh, and I also ended my viewing by rewatching the episode in season 15 where Aaryn got evicted to recall how Julie handled that interview. I needed to do that to fully appreciate how well Howard conducted himself in the finale when he spoke out about the things that were said in the house that year. I also developed a theory remembering so many seasons back to back that the introduction of Big Brother After Dark really marked a big change in the way the show was cast. Before that, the main focus was to pull together different people from different walks of life to live together. After, there was more of a focus on casting pretty people who'd drink a lot and hook up with each other. They did try to get back on track liek you said vanillalate in season 10 with a more age diverse cast. I think some of that some of the manipulation they'd been trying by surprising people putting their enemies in the house was starting to get uncomfortable and getting to a place that they couldn't push it anymore. So instead of trying to manipulate by saying "try to live with this person you said you'd never speak to again" they went for manipulation by pushing crazy behavior that could be viewed on Pop TV.
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Post by vanillalatte on Jul 24, 2020 17:30:24 GMT
I also developed a theory remembering so many seasons back to back that the introduction of Big Brother After Dark really marked a big change in the way the show was cast. Before that, the main focus was to pull together different people from different walks of life to live together. After, there was more of a focus on casting pretty people who'd drink a lot and hook up with each other. They did try to get back on track liek you said vanillalate in season 10 with a more age diverse cast. I think some of that some of the manipulation they'd been trying by surprising people putting their enemies in the house was starting to get uncomfortable and getting to a place that they couldn't push it anymore. So instead of trying to manipulate by saying "try to live with this person you said you'd never speak to again" they went for manipulation by pushing crazy behavior that could be viewed on Pop TV. I agree with you about the shift in casting after BBAD started. It really did become all about pretty people and the party house. I also think that's when the decline of the show really started. I'm up to Season 16 now and honestly, they're starting the blur together into a mess of screaming matches, stupid house meetings, community voting (season 15 was TERRIBLE! Nobody wanted to vote for themselves.), binge drinking and overnight hookups. Season 12 - I found some old Facebook posts I made from Season 12 that indicated my level of annoyance with Enzo. He was still annoying. It's really too bad Britney was so blind to the guys' alliance. If she could have figured it out earlier, she would have had the numbers and the smarts to make it to the end. Even if she had been up against one of them in the F2, I think she would have won. Season 13 - Daniele! She made such a boneheaded move going against the veterans alliance. I didn't remember enjoying this season back then as much as I did this time. As annoying as Rachel is, once Brendon went out of the game for the second time, she really did get her head back in it and played a great game. They were right to get Jordan out when they did because girl would have won the whole thing a second time. Season 14 - Even though Janelle claimed to really want to be there, she just wasn't the same that season, was she? And is it possible to hate Boogie more than I hated him that season? Knowing Ian was the winner ahead of time made me really pay attention to Dan and how he really blew up his own game with the jury. Yes, he made it to the end, but he left each and every juror with a bad taste in their mouth. His only vote was Danielle, and honestly, after the way he treated her, I'm almost surprised that she still stayed loyal. Season 15 - The Season of the Mean Girls. This was the season where CBS had to place a disclaimer at the beginning of each episode because of the racist comments particularly from Aaryn. I really do hope that girl learned from watching herself. She kept using the excuse "well I'm from Texas and we make jokes like that". No, you're a racist and you make jokes like that thinking they're funny. I know plenty of Texans who don't joke like that. Anyway, Rachel's sister was on the show, and Andy won. Good for Andy.
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Post by vanillalatte on Jul 29, 2020 15:36:44 GMT
Season 16 - Derrick and the Hitmen. Why do I love Frankie so much? The early players evicted really did nothing for me in this season, but that's probably why they were evicted early. They did nothing for anyone else either. Joey's alter ego Alex, Devin crying about having a lack of integrity (what show did he think he was on???), Paola, Brittany, and Amber...meh. I still can't tell whether I loved Christine's game play or hated it. And I laughed out loud when Derrick told Victoria (stroking her ego, obviously) that she would be the most remembered female player of their season...um no. I actually didn't remember her at all when I started watching this season. Derrick played a masterful game and I'd really love to see him play again to see if he could replicate his success.
Almost done with Season 17 so I'll be back, but I've been thinking about a dream All Stars with some of the best strategists and competition beasts across the board. So far, these would be my dream houseguests:
Dr. Will (BB2 and AS1) Danielle (BB3 and AS1) Nakomis (BB5 and AS1) Janelle (BB6, AS1, and BB14) James (BB6 and AS1) Evel Dick (BB8) Dan (BB10 and BB14) Jeff (BB11 and BB13) Britney (BB12 and BB14) Amanda (BB15) Derrick (B16) Vanessa (BB17)
That's only 12, so I'll reserve the last 4 spots for the last few seasons as I watch. There are a few that I didn't include from previous seasons that could take those spots, but this is what I have so far.
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Post by vanillalatte on Aug 3, 2020 13:39:00 GMT
Season 17 - Meh...Steve wins. Second time BB used the twin twist. So many players focused on each other that they let mediocre Steve slide all the way to the end. Even Vanessa took her eye off the prize and let him through, and that's how she ended up 3rd. She should have won that season.
Season 18 - Nicole beating Paul. Yeah, I know that was a controversial win, but Paul left a hugely bitter jury which lost him the game. Considering he only lost by one vote, they still almost forgave him for it, but this season proved that social game truly is just as important as everything else.
Season 19 - I truly didn't even want to rewatch this season, because I know Josh won and quite frankly, I couldn't stand him. Didn't take many episodes to remember why. Cody and Jessica were just as unwatchable as they were the first time. But I wanted to rewatch for 2 reasons. First, the rumor that Christmas is going to be in All Stars. I really don't remember why so much hate for her. I'm actually glad to see that she's getting another shot at it without the cast on her foot. The fact that she made final 3 (granted, with a great deal of protection and help from Josh and Paul) while competing in a cast...I liked her this second time through. Now, it's true that I don't have the live feeds to see all the in-between pieces, but she got a pretty likable edit. The second reason I rewatched was to see Paul play a second time. It seems he didn't learn much from his first trip into the house. By far, he's the most strategic and manipulative player in the game, and he really should have won. His biggest problem is that he has not mastered the fine art of subtlety. The foot race HOH is a perfect example...he strong-arms Kevin so blatantly in to throwing it. Again, he left a trail of bitter jurors in his wake...they honestly would have given it to ANYONE over Paul.
Adding Victor and Christmas to my All Star wish list.
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