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Post by Critical on Aug 22, 2018 22:03:24 GMT
There have been whisperings for a while that Ben's relationship with Lindsay began a lot sooner than they claim. Some even suggest that Ben is the father of her child and not her now ex-husband. I guess if the kid is finally seen out in public and looks like a little BA, we'll have our answer. IMO, none of his kids with JG look a thing like him - that all look like Jen.
I've always thought Jen was too good for him, so I hope her next relationship is with a NICE man....which probably means she's going to have to date a "civilian" and not someone in the business.
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Post by Kao on Aug 23, 2018 2:40:48 GMT
There have been whisperings for a while that Ben's relationship with Lindsay began a lot sooner than they claim. Some even suggest that Ben is the father of her child and not her now ex-husband. I guess if the kid is finally seen out in public and looks like a little BA, we'll have our answer. IMO, none of his kids with JG look a thing like him - that all look like Jen. I've always thought Jen was too good for him, so I hope her next relationship is with a NICE man....which probably means she's going to have to date a "civilian" and not someone in the business. I heard 3-4 years before it went public. He still had affairs with other women (the nanny comes to mind) but she was his number one, which made Jen very, very angry.
I hope Jen is able to let his pathetic behind go, but sometimes the screwing you get ain't worth the screwing you eventually get. She had a boyfriend at the time she was shooting Daredevil, and was sleeping with Ben behind her boyfriend's back.
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Post by Amy Lee on Aug 23, 2018 2:58:44 GMT
There have been whisperings for a while that Ben's relationship with Lindsay began a lot sooner than they claim. Some even suggest that Ben is the father of her child and not her now ex-husband. I guess if the kid is finally seen out in public and looks like a little BA, we'll have our answer. IMO, none of his kids with JG look a thing like him - that all look like Jen. I've always thought Jen was too good for him, so I hope her next relationship is with a NICE man....which probably means she's going to have to date a "civilian" and not someone in the business. Oh, I absolutely believe that he cheated on Jenn with Lindsay. I also believe that Jenn confronted her. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk
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Post by redsoxgirl on Aug 23, 2018 8:41:55 GMT
Here's the facts as we know them because they are VERIFIED: Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner married. Over the years they had three children. Two girls and a boy. Ben has multiple addiction Jennifer told him to get help or else. She was MIA from the screen for years, taking care of the children and dealing with Ben. There seems to be an unbreakable connection between the two. She clearly wants him to be in their children's lives but only if he is sober and living a clean life. A healthy productive one. Neither has gone after the other in court. Keeping it amicable. They have yet to finalize the divorce and are in no rush to do so, even though they might have to start the whole process over again, per the law. Jen wants to make sure Ben is responsible, healthy, in a good place, sober, not sleeping around etc.. She wants stability for their kids. She brought him to rehab today. Both looked extremely stressed. This is a family that clearly is doing everything to remain intact, in a healthy way, on some level. No matter what happens in their lives these two will always love one another. It's not pretty or perfect in any way, but in a time when people give up on one another... She deserves a medal. I respect her. Because she's never used the media to attack Ben It's always just between them. This is my speculation: I think neither of them want a divorce. I think they love each other very much. And yes, you can love someone to the ends of the earth but still be a slave to addictions. Ben seems to do well for awhile and then backslides. I think if he could keep it together for real they would remarry in an instant. He knows he has an awesome woman. And I bet he self-sabotages because he thinks he doesn't deserve her, the children or a happy life. It would be nice if it all worked out for them. People deserve happy lives.
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Post by Critical on Aug 23, 2018 9:19:34 GMT
There have been whisperings for a while that Ben's relationship with Lindsay began a lot sooner than they claim. Some even suggest that Ben is the father of her child and not her now ex-husband. I guess if the kid is finally seen out in public and looks like a little BA, we'll have our answer. IMO, none of his kids with JG look a thing like him - that all look like Jen. I've always thought Jen was too good for him, so I hope her next relationship is with a NICE man....which probably means she's going to have to date a "civilian" and not someone in the business. Oh, I absolutely believe that he cheated on Jenn with Lindsay. I also believe that Jenn confronted her. Totally. It sounds like Jen also put her foot down about Lindsay being around her kids. I think she probably stayed in the marriage longer than she should have because of the kids and also because I'd guess she did hope he could get his act together. You can love someone and still think they're a sh***.
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Post by betty80 on Aug 23, 2018 11:38:46 GMT
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Post by Amy Lee on Aug 23, 2018 11:51:34 GMT
Thanks, Betty! I meant to post this last night. Ben is a mess and a 22 year old who enjoys bourbon or whatever shouldn't be adding to that problem.
Side note: I swear that when I was in my early 20, I was never really impressed by alcohol, in fact, I always wondered what the big deal was. Then again, every experience is different.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 23, 2018 14:00:02 GMT
Jenn is AMAZING!!! I give her sooooo much credit! Yes, she is probably trying to rescue Ben mainly for their childrens' sake, but no matter the reason, she has done a noble thing for the best interests of all of their family. And she's kept hanging in there for his better welfare, through their marriage and for all this time afterwards. She really is amazing!
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Post by Kao on Aug 23, 2018 18:10:06 GMT
The things we do for our children.
Considering the various ways he has humiliated her over the years this manchild doesn't deserve her in his life. She also seems like the only woman who won't enable him; there's been numerous pics of him drinking with Lindsey and now this new girl.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 23, 2018 18:48:57 GMT
I'm not sure I'd agree that just because Jennifer is image aware enough to not have pictures of her drinking with Ben that she's never enabled him. Looking at their relationship, I've seen people on many occasions refer to the episode of Dinner for Five they did together as evidence of how taken she was by him. When they did that they were not even a couple, but she looked at him so adoringly that there are a lot of hints that she was a "whatever you want" girl for him. I think the big difference in the way she's dealing wit him now vs the way other women he's hanging out with now is that she's no longer dealing with him as a woman attracted to him and woo'd by him. She's dealing with him as an advocate for his children. That's going to transform her into a tougher critic towards him.
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Post by Critical on Aug 24, 2018 9:34:39 GMT
I think she may have enabled him in the beginning, maybe by being unrealistic about how big his problem really is. When you're in love, that just happens. I think the blinders have been off for a long time though and it was the kids that kept her in the marriage for longer than if they didn't have the kids.
I remember that episode of Dinner for Five and yeah, you could see how infatuated she was. He used to be much better looking and is quite charming when he isn't drunk and looking like an unmade bed. I can see the appeal back then. Now? Ick. He's a mess.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Aug 24, 2018 16:41:52 GMT
Isn't it strange, though, how his life is a train wreck compared to that of his good childhood friend Matt Damon? They had such a huge success early on with Good Will Hunting and Matt married Luciana and began a family and we never hear anything negative about him. Ben would seen to have it all with a beautiful talented wife and 3 gorgeous children, a respectable career. I just don't get it. But then again, I have been fortunate in my life to not have experienced addictions, whether alcohol or drugs, within my nuclear family and extended family. I believe Ben also has a gambling problem, too. I don't know much about alcoholism and have not really read up about it, but is it not true that researchers have found that there is some type of genetic component to it? A preponderance for it, if you will?
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 24, 2018 20:28:52 GMT
Isn't it strange, though, how his life is a train wreck compared to that of his good childhood friend Matt Damon? They had such a huge success early on with Good Will Hunting and Matt married Luciana and began a family and we never hear anything negative about him. Ben would seen to have it all with a beautiful talented wife and 3 gorgeous children, a respectable career. I just don't get it. But then again, I have been fortunate in my life to not have experienced addictions, whether alcohol or drugs, within my nuclear family and extended family. I believe Ben also has a gambling problem, too. I don't know much about alcoholism and have not really read up about it, but i s it not true that researchers have found that there is some type of genetic component to it? A preponderance for it, if you will? Good post, Eastcoastmom. And I was just asking myself about whether Ben has addiction issues in his family. And good points about Matt Damon and his family. Seeing as Ben and Matt are such very close friends, I wonder how Matt Damon and his family have been dealing with the Afflecks for all these many years. They must've seen Matt's unraveling --- My guess is that they've been very supportive to Jenn and the children, but I wonder how they've been in regard to Matt and his problems.
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Post by MissGriss on Aug 24, 2018 21:32:49 GMT
Ben's brother Casey has also struggled with alcoholism.
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Post by MissGriss on Aug 24, 2018 21:34:38 GMT
On a different front...
I was sad to hear today that John McCain has decided to stop treatment for his cancer. It sounds like the right choice for him, but I'll be sorry to see him go.
It's nice that The View is on break so that Megan can spend time with him.
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Post by betty80 on Aug 24, 2018 23:04:48 GMT
The McCain news is so sad.
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Post by Amy Lee on Aug 24, 2018 23:39:31 GMT
Very sad indeed. He fought hard.
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 25, 2018 4:15:19 GMT
Meghan is with him, I'm so glad. I was sad to hear he had stopped treatment, but I knew the time would come.
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Post by AZChristian on Aug 27, 2018 18:51:45 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 27, 2018 22:00:33 GMT
It is so TRAGIC what people do to each other for MONEY +/OR POWER. That's what it sounds like in this case. I'm just generalizing -- based on stereotypes, but this sounds like the typical 2nd wife (or 3rd or 4th, etc) trying to get as much as possible from the meal ticket husband. And the other family members have no power to stop her. How many times have we seen this play out over the years? Or if it's not the wife it's the caretaker or someone else trying to grab everything. I hope the court can intervene so that Mr. Conway can get the best quality of care. Poor soul. He is such a wonderful, funny, sweet man. It's almost a blessing that he can't comprehend all of the sh*t that is going on around him.
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Post by Critical on Aug 27, 2018 22:33:28 GMT
Sometimes it's the reverse though, with the wife trying to do the best for the husband and his children from another marriage making a money grab. In this case though, it does seem like the wife is shady. I'd be curious to know what her reasons for moving him are. In general, patients with dementia have trouble with change, so moving him could be detrimental. Very sad to think of him like this.
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Post by dagwood on Aug 28, 2018 1:39:14 GMT
The first thing that came to my mind was Casey Kasem. Jean Did the same thing to him to keep him from the kids and they had to take her to court. Sad.
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Post by Critical on Aug 28, 2018 22:15:51 GMT
I was thinking of Alan Thicke and how his kids went after his wife, Tanya. She made it pretty clear she wasn't after all of his money. IIRC, they insisted that she was challenging the prenup and threatening them with bad press, in spite of her statements to the contrary. I believe it was resolved, but it seemed very odd to me. I remember watching them both on Hollywood Medium and then her on the show after Alan's death and it seemed clear that they were very much in love. It didn't feel like a gold digger situation AT ALL.
I think grief can make people do awful things. I mean, my dad's family went a little nutty about stuff when his mother died, but it was nothing requiring lawsuits or blood oaths or anything.
That stuff with Casey Kasem was awful. It seems like we've seen several stories of children battling with second (or third or fourth..) wives over a father. It's sometimes hard to tell who's got the person's best interests at heart.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 28, 2018 23:26:03 GMT
All of these kinds of situations remind me of Anna Nicole Smith, the quintessential gold digger, who, at age 26, married an 89 year old billionaire, who died a year after the marriage. And yes, there were multiple lawsuits about the money that Anna Nicole thought she was going to inherit -- but ultimately didn't. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Nicole_Smith
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Post by Cuddles on Aug 29, 2018 16:31:37 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 29, 2018 16:35:18 GMT
I've never heard of her, I'm just glad it's not Anna:)
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 29, 2018 19:46:34 GMT
I've never heard of her either, but I must say, her family's political background is very impressive, and she seems to have had a pretty solid journalism career as well. There's a lot more information about her here, in Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_HuntsmanOne of the things I noted with great interest is that she worked as program host (or co-host) at both MSNBC and Fox News. Talk about polar opposites!!! Although it would probably surprise a lot of people to know that MSNBC (the network known for being very progressive/liberal) has a number of conservative Republican program hosts!
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Post by MissGriss on Aug 29, 2018 20:53:15 GMT
Her dad was our governor here in Utah and was well-liked by both conservatives and liberals. I was very disappointed when President Obama made him ambassador to China, because we lost a good governor. He was definitely qualified for the ambassador job, but he also was getting a lot of national attention and might have been a viable presidential candidate for the Republicans against Obama in his second run, and I felt that appointment was Obama's way of getting him out of circulation.
I kind of got side-tracked there, but what I wanted to say is that she comes from strong Republican roots but in a family that has historically been able to work well across the political divide, so I'm thinking she would be a good addition to the panel.
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Post by libgirl2 on Aug 29, 2018 21:16:15 GMT
Very sad indeed. He fought hard. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk My father passed away from glioblastoma a couple of weeks ago. I remember when he was diagnosed I said its the same thing McCain has. My dad was only a couple of years younger than him but they caught it too late. He had surgery but would never have made it through treatment. He didn't even live 4 months after diagnosis. When I heard he stopped treatment and wasn't speaking..... I was reminded of what we went through the last month. At a certain point, you pray for them to be at peace.
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 29, 2018 21:25:22 GMT
Very sad indeed. He fought hard. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk My father passed away from glioblastoma a couple of weeks ago. I remember when he was diagnosed I said its the same thing McCain has. My dad was only a couple of years younger than him but they caught it too late. He had surgery but would never have made it through treatment. He didn't even live 4 months after diagnosis. When I heard he stopped treatment and wasn't speaking..... I was reminded of what we went through the last month. At a certain point, you pray for them to be at peace. I'm so very sorry for the loss of your father, I'm reaching through my screen, to give you a hug.
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