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Post by Critical on Jun 13, 2018 21:37:49 GMT
There's just as much evidence that it was Angie who mounted a PR campaign against Brad after the split. How did all those stories about his drinking and that incident with the kids on the plane end up in the media? IMO, lots of those stories got leaked by her people in order to make him look like a violent alcoholic and give her the upper hand in any custody fight AND in the court of public opinion. Maybe he's got addiction issues, but he seems to have owned up to it and is working on improving himself. She's just likes being painted as Saint Angelina. IMO, she's nuts. Beautiful, but crazy. Remember when she and Billy Bob wore vials of each others blood? Yeah.
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 13, 2018 23:15:23 GMT
Thank you Critical I was waiting for someone to jump in and say Angelina is no saint herself if the rumors are to be believed (infidelity and drugs also)
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Post by dagwood on Jun 14, 2018 1:30:46 GMT
I have never liked her, she seems too stuck on herself. In it for the attention. Plus don't sleep with a married man. Yes, I know he is to blame as well but she had her part in it
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Post by mika06 on Jun 14, 2018 2:26:54 GMT
I know that in the GQ interview he did, Brad admitted to drinking too much, saying he could drink a Russian under the table. He also admitted that he had not had a day since college without alcohol or pot, and said that when he realized it was a problem he quit cold turkey. I also recall that in that interview he accepted responsibility for failing his marriage and his family. I don't recall him admitting to being abusive, and honestly I don't recall him owning the word alcoholic. There's little question to me that he did that interview after being advised to accept resonsibility - how much of that was his genuine expression and how much of it was PR advised words to help his image we'll probably never know. But in all of that, I have to say I don't remember him saying he was an abusive alcoholic and a terrible father. That sounds more to me like the conclusion someone would have drawn from taking his words and assuming the worst. If you drink too much your an alcoholic if you can't go a day without alcohol that is an alcoholic. He also didn't quit until he had to in order not to lose access to his children even with the fact it impacted his marriage. Still commendable. But most alcoholics can be pretty abusive. Either way he's cleaned up his act he should have full access to his kids without interference from the co parent. |
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Post by acookertv on Jun 14, 2018 9:50:26 GMT
I know that in the GQ interview he did, Brad admitted to drinking too much, saying he could drink a Russian under the table. He also admitted that he had not had a day since college without alcohol or pot, and said that when he realized it was a problem he quit cold turkey. I also recall that in that interview he accepted responsibility for failing his marriage and his family. I don't recall him admitting to being abusive, and honestly I don't recall him owning the word alcoholic. There's little question to me that he did that interview after being advised to accept resonsibility - how much of that was his genuine expression and how much of it was PR advised words to help his image we'll probably never know. But in all of that, I have to say I don't remember him saying he was an abusive alcoholic and a terrible father. That sounds more to me like the conclusion someone would have drawn from taking his words and assuming the worst. If you drink too much your an alcoholic if you can't go a day without alcohol that is an alcoholic. He also didn't quit until he had to in order not to lose access to his children even with the fact it impacted his marriage. Still commendable. But most alcoholics can be pretty abusive. Either way he's cleaned up his act he should have full access to his kids without interference from the co parent. You and I have a different definition of alcoholism, which explains the different way we see this. |
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 14, 2018 21:55:24 GMT
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Post by Critical on Jun 14, 2018 22:10:00 GMT
I guess I have a different take on it. Yes, that's her father and it's crummy to graffiti anything, BUT....a good friend of my mom's worked in law enforcement and was assigned to the MJ molestation case, specifically with the children who were victims (trying not to give too much info that would identify this person). This person was intimately familiar with the details of the case and the statements of the victims and, in reference to the case would say only one thing: "Oh yeah, he did it." That's why I have a hard time seeing all the MJ worship. He was an amazingly talented man, but also caused a lot of pain to many children.
IMO, the whole Jackson family is messed up - probably largely due to Joe Jackson, who I truly believe is evil, AND his wife, who likely stood by and did nothing. It seems that Paris has pretty much NO ONE actually looking out for her best interests. I worry, based on rumors about her drug use and the kinds of people she surrounds herself with, that she's going to end up being another tragedy. I hope that's not the case.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 14, 2018 22:28:31 GMT
She's a lovely looking girl..what a shame some thing did this..  |
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 14, 2018 22:29:54 GMT
I have never liked her, she seems too stuck on herself. In it for the attention. Plus don't sleep with a married man. Yes, I know he is to blame as well but she had her part in it I dont like her, or her acting...  |
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 14, 2018 22:36:58 GMT
Id seen the footage briefly on FB, but i had no idea it was her cleaning it up. Yes, some people suck. Agreed. I like both Ange and Brad and hope they can get it together for the sake of the kids. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk |
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Post by dagwood on Jun 15, 2018 1:35:21 GMT
I guess I have a different take on it. Yes, that's her father and it's crummy to graffiti anything, BUT....a good friend of my mom's worked in law enforcement and was assigned to the MJ molestation case, specifically with the children who were victims (trying not to give too much info that would identify this person). This person was intimately familiar with the details of the case and the statements of the victims and, in reference to the case would say only one thing: "Oh yeah, he did it." That's why I have a hard time seeing all the MJ worship. He was an amazingly talented man, but also caused a lot of pain to many children. IMO, the whole Jackson family is messed up - probably largely due to Joe Jackson, who I truly believe is evil, AND his wife, who likely stood by and did nothing. It seems that Paris has pretty much NO ONE actually looking out for her best interests. I worry, based on rumors about her drug use and the kinds of people she surrounds herself with, that she's going to end up being another tragedy. I hope that's not the case. I have a friend that knows people involved in the case and that is her opinion as well. He did it. |
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 15, 2018 16:13:20 GMT
I guess I have a different take on it. Yes, that's her father and it's crummy to graffiti anything, BUT....a good friend of my mom's worked in law enforcement and was assigned to the MJ molestation case, specifically with the children who were victims (trying not to give too much info that would identify this person). This person was intimately familiar with the details of the case and the statements of the victims and, in reference to the case would say only one thing: "Oh yeah, he did it." That's why I have a hard time seeing all the MJ worship. He was an amazingly talented man, but also caused a lot of pain to many children. IMO, the whole Jackson family is messed up - probably largely due to Joe Jackson, who I truly believe is evil, AND his wife, who likely stood by and did nothing. It seems that Paris has pretty much NO ONE actually looking out for her best interests. I worry, based on rumors about her drug use and the kinds of people she surrounds herself with, that she's going to end up being another tragedy. I hope that's not the case. I have a friend that knows people involved in the case and that is her opinion as well. He did it. I only hope he treated his children better than that. I was never an MJ fan. His upbringing and his parents created the damaged person he was and the probably pedo he was. Paris is a lovely woman, I hope she has someone good she can turn to.. |
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 15, 2018 17:22:33 GMT
I think MJ loved his children, and they loved him.
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Post by waywyrd on Jun 15, 2018 19:58:51 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 15, 2018 20:12:05 GMT
Yeah, this is quite a shocker! He did seem like a good guy! |
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 15, 2018 20:53:01 GMT
Yeah, this is quite a shocker! He did seem like a good guy! I've never heard anything bad about him on any gossip sites. We have to be so careful not to judge so fast. People's livelihoods and reputations are at stake. Do we start believing every accusation? I'm not saying every woman lies but sometimes some relationships are toxic. I am not writing him off yet. |
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Post by beerbelly on Jun 15, 2018 22:25:25 GMT
I don't know. That was a very strong piece that she wrote and it felt true to me.
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Post by Critical on Jun 16, 2018 0:01:47 GMT
But yet she never actually named him, right? I don't know, something just feels off about that one. Like libgirl said, there's never been ANYTHING on any gossip site about CH and he has a rep as a really good guy.
I'm always wary when it's an ex coming forward. I've just known "regular" people who've started whisper campaigns against exes and they caused a lot of damage in their friendship groups....and then it turned out to have been all lies. I'm not saying this woman is a liar, but i need more information. Her being a good writer isn't proof of anything.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 16, 2018 2:03:18 GMT
She didn’t name him for legal reasons but gave so much information that it’s hard to claim it’s anyone else. If she’s lying, she became one hell of an expert on abuse to craft her lies. That includes the normal pattern in emotional abuse of the abuser appearing to look great on the outside.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 16, 2018 3:37:22 GMT
Things aren't always what they seem. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk |
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Post by justCoz on Jun 16, 2018 3:51:08 GMT
I find it strange, even if he did what she says, that they would scrub his name from the website, even as an original founder. I don't like that kind of revisionist history. Taking his name off doesn't make it less true that he helped found it.
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Post by Critical on Jun 16, 2018 4:58:15 GMT
She didn’t name him for legal reasons but gave so much information that it’s hard to claim it’s anyone else. If she’s lying, she became one hell of an expert on abuse to craft her lies. That includes the normal pattern in emotional abuse of the abuser appearing to look great on the outside. And what of the dozens of other women who HAVE named their abusers? Sorry, this one just doesn't add up to me. Since this apparently happened many years ago - she's 29 now and claims this happened when she was in her early 20's - she's certainly had time to "craft her lies" as you said. I'm reserving judgment. |
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Post by beerbelly on Jun 16, 2018 17:30:17 GMT
I was out with a friend who has worked and knows CH and he said it does fit his personality. He said he was super controlling....
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Post by acookertv on Jun 17, 2018 1:44:57 GMT
I think it’s a complicated story. I dint know enough about him to know his personality. I think the absence of blind gossip about him is a fair point to defend him. However, he doesn’t have a dating history with a lot of players, and the fewer people who may have experienced anything lessens the chances of anyone leaking info. His profile has also been slowly rising which is important for two things - it shows the ambition she talks about. But since he’s just been becoming a big name, it explains the absence of blind onfo. There’s rarely blind gossip about celebs no one has known about.
I do somewhat question her claims of sexual assault. She talks as if she didn’t want to have sex with him at times but consented anyway. If she consented, I’m not sure she can call it assault. Seems to me it was a couple not communicating well, but there she may have gone too far.
I will also say I dint think his response did him any favors. In many ways, he came across as saying she knows what she did and it’s her fault. Unfortunately for him, that’s the behavior of an emotional abuser.
Lastly, to the question of why she took so long to come forward ... it’s a result of coming out of an a Us I’ve relationship. The fear and worry that a victim feels often leaves him or her convinced no one would believe the story and they will cause trouble for themselves in coming forward. Some of Cosby’s accusers took a long time to come forward. Weinstein’s accusers too. While this story is quite different on many fronts, the reluctance to come forward right away is a common norm.
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Post by lonnie on Jun 17, 2018 3:23:52 GMT
libgirl, I agree. I don't like how sjws tend to automatically believe every accusation that comes out when there have obviously been plenty of fake ones. If someone does make false allegations, I think the penalty should usually include jail time.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 18, 2018 16:37:00 GMT
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 18, 2018 17:18:20 GMT
It is sad. She is just not doing well at all. |
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 18, 2018 17:26:27 GMT
No she isn't doing well, and she hasn't for some time. I would not be surprised to wake up and find that she had died.
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Post by Kao on Jun 18, 2018 19:27:34 GMT
I'm glad that she is somewhere safe, and is getting the help that she needs.
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Post by dagwood on Jun 18, 2018 19:34:48 GMT
Has she had issues with drugs or is mental health related? Does anyone know?
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