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Post by beerbelly on Jan 17, 2021 14:40:02 GMT
If a person wants a divorce from someone, I'm not sure why they would keep sleeping with that person. Machine gun kelly reminds me of a foot fungus. OMG this made me laugh!
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Post by Kao on Jan 24, 2021 4:21:02 GMT
Ben Affleck and Ana Ana de Armas split a week ago and they haven't even been together for a year. This is what happens when you rush everything in your relationship and milk it for the paps and publicity. I wonder if she's going to try for Chris Evans again?
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Post by momrek06 on Jan 24, 2021 4:47:32 GMT
Ben Affleck and Ana Ana de Armas split a week ago and they haven't even been together for a year. This is what happens when you rush everything in your relationship and milk it for the paps and publicity. I wonder if she's going to try for Chris Evans again? I read Ana does not want to make her permanent home in LA. She wants to be in her home land Cuba. Ben wants to stay in LA with his children. Ana has her own home in Cuba. The couple did not even spend the Christmas holidays together, Ben stayed in LA and Ana was with her family in Cuba.
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Post by acookertv on Jan 24, 2021 13:34:35 GMT
They were together for about a year and filmed a movie together. I’d venture to guess they split because the contract ran out.
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Post by Kao on Jan 24, 2021 15:42:18 GMT
This is one case where calling the paps over all the time really made the relationship look inauthentic. All the obvious posing they did, the daily pap walks (even though Ben lives on a pretty big property), the flouting of quarantine and covid until they got a clue and started wearing masks, exploiting his children by dragging them into the pap shots...all of it. She seems like a lady always looking for the next, best, opportunity and he just likes to bed younger pretty women so I guess it worked until it didn't. I got sick of them really quickly. Now the latest thing is to photograph Ben with packages and Dunkin Donuts looking sad. You can't make this crap up, I tell you.
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Post by beerbelly on Jan 24, 2021 15:44:01 GMT
I feel with the latest shot of Ben juggling packages and the Dunkin Donuts is just him showing off now.
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Post by springmaiden27 on Jan 24, 2021 15:49:48 GMT
This is one case where calling the paps over all the time really made the relationship look inauthentic. All the obvious posing they did, the daily pap walks (even though Ben lives on a pretty big property), the flouting of quarantine and covid until they got a clue and started wearing masks, exploiting his children by dragging them into the pap shots...all of it. She seems like a lady always looking for the next, best, opportunity and he just likes to bed younger pretty women so I guess it worked until it didn't. I got sick of them really quickly. Now the latest thing is to photograph Ben with packages and Dunkin Donuts looking sad. You can't make this crap up, I tell you. Oh so those coffee walks are setups? I was beginning to wonder about the number of folks out and about with coffee. Is anything real?!
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Post by Arielflies on Jan 24, 2021 17:06:06 GMT
Speaking of the Afflecks, Casey is in a new touted movie, "Our Friend". I didn't realize he had been allowed back into the club.
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Post by MissGriss on Jan 26, 2021 0:41:38 GMT
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Post by Kao on Jan 26, 2021 9:11:18 GMT
I mean, I can't stand Kanye now but he is not himself, and vultures exploiting his mental illness for profit is disgusting. At the same time this is the same man who cheated with Kim while he was with Amber Rose (and possibly his fiance who predated Rose) and ultimately chose Kim to be his wife, despite knowing she was vacuous and her family is all about being cheap as long as it makes them money. When people show you who they are, believe them.
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Post by MissScarlet on Jan 27, 2021 0:43:49 GMT
I mean, I can't stand Kanye now but he is not himself, and vultures exploiting his mental illness for profit is disgusting. At the same time this is the same man who cheated with Kim while he was with Amber Rose (and possibly his fiance who predated Rose) and ultimately chose Kim to be his wife, despite knowing she was vacuous and her family is all about being cheap as long as it makes them money. When people show you who they are, believe them. I agree with your opinion of Kanye, but I think there's more to Kim's thinking than this. I think she's genuinely trying to become a lawyer. She seems to be all in on this amnesty for too harsh sentences. Unfortunately with a husband like Kanye, and his actions, she doesn't think people will take her seriously. She seems to be growing past him. Maybe she should also divorce that family she was born into. Their reputation isn't doing her any favors either. As for Kanye, a lot of people with mental/emotional conditions who should be on medication seem to think they can handle it themselves without the meds. They can't. Therefore they keep going off their meds & going over the edge and behaving irrationally or worse. I know a few people who have done this. They don't like feeling they are being controlled by their meds, & either try to self wean themselves off or quit cold turkey, with the same results either way. Friendships, jobs & marriages are destroyed this way. It never ends well. I've seen it with enough people that I can see it with Kanye clear as day. I have compassion for him and others like him, but somewhere along the line they have to accept the reality that they have a condition that isn't just going to go away. They need to accept the help of their doctors. If not, their loved ones end up like Kim where she just can't take it any more. I've been there with a couple of friends that I eventually had to cut ties with. Not because I didn't still care for them, but because I just couldn't take the behavior & abuse directed toward me any longer. Nor could I continue to watch them do this to themselves by denying the problem.
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Post by Kao on Jan 27, 2021 15:40:43 GMT
I agree with you about Kanye but Kim is always working an angle. I really hope it's not true that she's seeing Van Jones because this family has a habit of using and discarding people when they are no longer useful to them. I also noticed that it's beyond time for her to have taken the mini-bar but she didn't take it and there's no more stories about her studying. These vultures will literally do and say anything to keep their name in the lights. I'm sure the Kanye storyline will be edited to make him look as horrible as possible (which if I'm being honest is not that hard) and make her look like the wronged party for ratings since this is their last year on E. They're going to Hulu, and the premise of the new show is "Kim's new start." Ugh.
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Post by MissGriss on Jan 27, 2021 19:10:45 GMT
I agree with you about Kanye but Kim is always working an angle. I really hope it's not true that she's seeing Van Jones because this family has a habit of using and discarding people when they are no longer useful to them. I also noticed that it's beyond time for her to have taken the mini-bar but she didn't take it and there's no more stories about her studying. These vultures will literally do and say anything to keep their name in the lights. I'm sure the Kanye storyline will be edited to make him look as horrible as possible (which if I'm being honest is not that hard) and make her look like the wronged party for ratings since this is their last year on E. They're going to Hulu, and the premise of the new show is "Kim's new start." Ugh. Ugh, indeed! I knew they were going to Hulu, but I hadn't heard that the focus was "Kim's new start." Disgusting! Users!!!
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Post by MissScarlet on Jan 29, 2021 1:58:50 GMT
I agree with you about Kanye but Kim is always working an angle. I really hope it's not true that she's seeing Van Jones because this family has a habit of using and discarding people when they are no longer useful to them. I also noticed that it's beyond time for her to have taken the mini-bar but she didn't take it and there's no more stories about her studying. These vultures will literally do and say anything to keep their name in the lights. I'm sure the Kanye storyline will be edited to make him look as horrible as possible (which if I'm being honest is not that hard) and make her look like the wronged party for ratings since this is their last year on E. They're going to Hulu, and the premise of the new show is "Kim's new start." Ugh. Ugh, indeed! I knew they were going to Hulu, but I hadn't heard that the focus was "Kim's new start." Disgusting! Users!!! I guess Once a bottom feeder, Always a bottom feeder. Too bad. I was hoping age was making her grow up a bit. But it hasn't worked for her mother, so why would it.
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 4, 2021 16:46:17 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Feb 4, 2021 18:25:19 GMT
It seems like her daughter is too young to make the decision to participate in this on her own - or at least to do it with a mature mindset. It sounds very exploitive to do this with her at her young age.
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Post by Kao on Feb 4, 2021 19:50:45 GMT
Oh my goodness, no. Her mom's life was a tragedy masquerading as a train wreck and her dad shouldn't be shoving her in the limelight like this. She's at the age where she can actually see the things written about her mom and probably feels conflicted, especially since she barely knew her. The once every couple of years fluff articles about how Dannielynn is doing now is fine but this TV special is a bad idea.
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 5, 2021 19:39:03 GMT
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Post by MissScarlet on Feb 6, 2021 22:19:06 GMT
Oh my goodness, no. Her mom's life was a tragedy masquerading as a train wreck and her dad shouldn't be shoving her in the limelight like this. She's at the age where she can actually see the things written about her mom and probably feels conflicted, especially since she barely knew her. The once every couple of years fluff articles about how Dannielynn is doing now is fine but this TV special is a bad idea. I watched the special, and this was going through my mind the whole time. She didn't seem all that comfortable with the whole thing. Maybe it was the cameras & TV show. If Larry was going to do this, I think it would have been way better to have done it in private. It was a lot to dump on a 14 year old. Especially since what we saw was clearly the sanitized and sugar coated version, but I'm sure there was a lot of the darker underbelly of her life learned during this trip/show. At this point in life, she only needs to know that her mother loved and wanted her very much, but life took her away too soon. All in all, Larry seems to be an attentive father, and seems to be raising her just fine, but I can't help but wonder: What does he do for a living? Does he work? Somehow he has to be earning enough money to be providing for them, and apparently pretty well. He does resurface every few years at least with some type of interview, TV appearance, etc. Maybe he's getting enough to support them in between that way. I really hope he's not using his daughter as a bank account without consideration for her.
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Post by Critical on Feb 7, 2021 5:40:08 GMT
Oh my goodness, no. Her mom's life was a tragedy masquerading as a train wreck and her dad shouldn't be shoving her in the limelight like this. She's at the age where she can actually see the things written about her mom and probably feels conflicted, especially since she barely knew her. The once every couple of years fluff articles about how Dannielynn is doing now is fine but this TV special is a bad idea. I watched the special, and this was going through my mind the whole time. She didn't seem all that comfortable with the whole thing. Maybe it was the cameras & TV show. If Larry was going to do this, I think it would have been way better to have done it in private. It was a lot to dump on a 14 year old. Especially since what we saw was clearly the sanitized and sugar coated version, but I'm sure there was a lot of the darker underbelly of her life learned during this trip/show. At this point in life, she only needs to know that her mother loved and wanted her very much, but life took her away too soon. All in all, Larry seems to be an attentive father, and seems to be raising her just fine, but I can't help but wonder: What does he do for a living? Does he work? Somehow he has to be earning enough money to be providing for them, and apparently pretty well. He does resurface every few years at least with some type of interview, TV appearance, etc. Maybe he's getting enough to support them in between that way. I really hope he's not using his daughter as a bank account without consideration for her. He's a photographer. He met Anna because he used to work as a celebrity photographer. Now he has a photography business in KY, I believe.
I didn't watch the special and probably won't, but I think he's done a pretty good job of raising her out of the spotlight. You only see her once a year, at the Kentucky Derby, which is meaningful for Larry, because he was born (and I presume, raised), in Louisville, KY.
I think 14 is old enough to decide if she wants to take part in a TV special. I can't imagine that he'd do it if she didn't want to. He's been pretty great about protecting her. I can hardly think of a time when pics of her (outside the KY Derby) ended up in the media. If she was shy and nervous, I'd call that the behavior of a normal 14-year old not used to being in front of TV cameras.
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Post by MissScarlet on Feb 7, 2021 21:04:36 GMT
I watched the special, and this was going through my mind the whole time. She didn't seem all that comfortable with the whole thing. Maybe it was the cameras & TV show. If Larry was going to do this, I think it would have been way better to have done it in private. It was a lot to dump on a 14 year old. Especially since what we saw was clearly the sanitized and sugar coated version, but I'm sure there was a lot of the darker underbelly of her life learned during this trip/show. At this point in life, she only needs to know that her mother loved and wanted her very much, but life took her away too soon. All in all, Larry seems to be an attentive father, and seems to be raising her just fine, but I can't help but wonder: What does he do for a living? Does he work? Somehow he has to be earning enough money to be providing for them, and apparently pretty well. He does resurface every few years at least with some type of interview, TV appearance, etc. Maybe he's getting enough to support them in between that way. I really hope he's not using his daughter as a bank account without consideration for her. He's a photographer. He met Anna because he used to work as a celebrity photographer. Now he has a photography business in KY, I believe.
I didn't watch the special and probably won't, but I think he's done a pretty good job of raising her out of the spotlight. You only see her once a year, at the Kentucky Derby, which is meaningful for Larry, because he was born (and I presume, raised), in Louisville, KY.
I think 14 is old enough to decide if she wants to take part in a TV special. I can't imagine that he'd do it if she didn't want to. He's been pretty great about protecting her. I can hardly think of a time when pics of her (outside the KY Derby) ended up in the media. If she was shy and nervous, I'd call that the behavior of a normal 14-year old not used to being in front of TV cameras.
Thank you for the answer & info. I knew he used to be a celebrity photographer, but had no idea he still has a photography business, or lives in Kentucky, although that explains why I've seen pictures through the years of Dannielynn at the Kentucky Derby. I don't really follow them or any other celebrities unless I occasionally see a headline somewhere about them & read the article. It's nice to know the info you gave. It makes me feel a bit better about her. He does seem like a good father.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 8, 2021 5:39:35 GMT
I didn't watch the whole 20/20 segment, but I searched until I found a bit with Danilynn, and I was pleased to see that she was a cute gawky 14-year-old girl who looked and acted her age. Very sweet!
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 8, 2021 22:55:42 GMT
I didn't watch the whole 20/20 segment, but I searched until I found a bit with Danilynn, and I was pleased to see that she was a cute gawky 14-year-old girl who looked and acted her age. Very sweet! I think her father has done very well with her, I didn't think he would, but imho, the little I have seen, he has
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Post by libgirl2 on Feb 9, 2021 1:53:23 GMT
I watched the special, and this was going through my mind the whole time. She didn't seem all that comfortable with the whole thing. Maybe it was the cameras & TV show. If Larry was going to do this, I think it would have been way better to have done it in private. It was a lot to dump on a 14 year old. Especially since what we saw was clearly the sanitized and sugar coated version, but I'm sure there was a lot of the darker underbelly of her life learned during this trip/show. At this point in life, she only needs to know that her mother loved and wanted her very much, but life took her away too soon. All in all, Larry seems to be an attentive father, and seems to be raising her just fine, but I can't help but wonder: What does he do for a living? Does he work? Somehow he has to be earning enough money to be providing for them, and apparently pretty well. He does resurface every few years at least with some type of interview, TV appearance, etc. Maybe he's getting enough to support them in between that way. I really hope he's not using his daughter as a bank account without consideration for her. He's a photographer. He met Anna because he used to work as a celebrity photographer. Now he has a photography business in KY, I believe.
I didn't watch the special and probably won't, but I think he's done a pretty good job of raising her out of the spotlight. You only see her once a year, at the Kentucky Derby, which is meaningful for Larry, because he was born (and I presume, raised), in Louisville, KY.
I think 14 is old enough to decide if she wants to take part in a TV special. I can't imagine that he'd do it if she didn't want to. He's been pretty great about protecting her. I can hardly think of a time when pics of her (outside the KY Derby) ended up in the media. If she was shy and nervous, I'd call that the behavior of a normal 14-year old not used to being in front of TV cameras.
I believe he met Anna at the Kentucky Derby.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 11, 2021 16:15:41 GMT
I'm not sure where to post it, but this thread seems appropriate. I watched the Britney Spears documentary on Hulu last night. I'd been aware of the Free Britney movement, but had not paid a lot of attention to it prior to watching this.
I have to say, I was really turned off by he documentary. I thought they included a lot of misleading or misrepresented information. For example, they kept talking about how conservatorships are for elderly people who can no longer make decisions for themselves. That's not true. They are also used for people with mental health issues deemed to prevent them from making decisions on their own. I have a dear friend who is the conservator for her 30-something year old brother - certainly not elderly. Why misrepresent that unless it's for an agenda? I felt the same way during the part where they were showing how horrible the paparazzi was with her. No question, it was brutal. However, the first time I ever learned that celebrities coordinated with the paparazzi was watching the Britney and Kevin reality show where they would show them each morning going out to the end of their driveway to let the paparazzi who gathered there know what their plans were for the day so they could get their pictures accordingly. She could certainly have encouraged it and then lived to regret that and want to reverse it. But a documentary from the NY Times should acknowledge both sides of that. Leaving out that detail to me says they set out to portray Britney as a victim instead of looking at the full story.
The other thing about the documentary that REALLY bothers me is that in the first half, they did a really great job of portraying how horribly intrusive the press and public can be in a celebrities personal life. They do a great job of reminding us of how horrible it is to ask a teenage girl about the details of her sex life. We don't belong on those private intimate moments, and they show it so well. But then in the second half ... they portray the "free Britney" people as heroes who care about her so much. But what are they doing? Delving into the private and intimate details of her mental health. They are making a lot of assumptions and reading a lot of tea leaves - so much so that the NY Times made a documentary! I started cringing watching it and started regretting that I had watched.
I don't know what Britney Spear's mental state is. I remember Chaning Tatum talking once about how when a person becomes a celebrity at an early age, their development is stunted at that age and it's difficult for them to advance beyond that. I see signs in Britney that may be true with her. I think there are a lot of signs that the people around her when she was growing up treated her more like a cash cow than like a young girl who needed love and nurturing. But I don't know enough to know whether or not she needs a conservator, or who it should be if she needs one. But I do know I'm not comfortable with so many people being so insistent that they do know the answers to these questions for a woman they don't even know!
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Post by Kao on Feb 11, 2021 18:38:48 GMT
The problem I have with it is that she has asked for her father to be removed as her conservator and for a non-biased party to oversee it for years and for some reason the current judge keeps denying her this, even after Jaime had an altercation with one of her boys and they have a restraining order against him. As it currently is there is no room for her to grow and develop as a person and is working to stifle her as a person. Here is a person who is not allowed to have any friends, is not allowed to make any financial decisions, is given a small allowance for groceries and Starbucks, is given limited time with her children when she gets "out of line" but yet is allowed to have a companion (that she is not allowed to marry, of course), make albums, go on tour, and maintain a Vegas residency for two years. Seems like everything that makes her trust (and Jaime's pocketbook) more money is allowed, while everything that can help her grow and take an active part in her life is not. Part of a conservatory's job is to also to help people either retain a certain amount of autonomy (in the case of elderly who have it) or to help give people skills to be able to cope with life, take care of themselves, and live their life. As someone who has gone through a similar mental health crisis I shudder to think of if a family member had placed me under one and not given room to grow to the point that I still needed one over a decade later!
Also, another thing to keep in mind that even though Jaime claims he's only getting 150k/yr for being her conservator Britney's lawyers had uncovered some "irregularites" in her trusts and have asked him for receipts, etc. So far, he has not complied.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 11, 2021 19:05:31 GMT
But some of that shows what a poorly produced documentary it was. Other than saying Jamie really wasn't around when she was young, they didn't make a case against him. They just asked us to trust her fans in saying he wasn't the right person.
I don't put a lot of weight into the argument that she can perform, so all of this is not necessary. I get the point that it's suspect she's allowed to do what makes money, but I don't see that as a strong argument that she's fine. Look at Michael Jackson - he performed very well for many years and I would not argue he was well! Another strike I'd give against the way the documentary was presented - there have been several Britney performances in past years that were notable because they were so bad. Those were not acknowledged - but they suggest that everything is not okay.
There's no question that on the surface, things don't look good from her dad. However, he's also not in the business of protecting his public image. There's so much about the case we don't know that I just don't think people have any business insisting they know what is best for Britney when they don't know any of the pertinent facts.
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Post by Kao on Feb 11, 2021 19:37:53 GMT
But some of that shows what a poorly produced documentary it was. Other than saying Jamie really wasn't around when she was young, they didn't make a case against him. They just asked us to trust her fans in saying he wasn't the right person. I don't put a lot of weight into the argument that she can perform, so all of this is not necessary. I get the point that it's suspect she's allowed to do what makes money, but I don't see that as a strong argument that she's fine. Look at Michael Jackson - he performed very well for many years and I would not argue he was well! Another strike I'd give against the way the documentary was presented - there have been several Britney performances in past years that were notable because they were so bad. Those were not acknowledged - but they suggest that everything is not okay. There's no question that on the surface, things don't look good from her dad. However, he's also not in the business of protecting his public image. There's so much about the case we don't know that I just don't think people have any business insisting they know what is best for Britney when they don't know any of the pertinent facts. I would say so too except part of the reason why people get put on conservatorships is that they basically don't have the skills needed to function from day to day; and while that might have been the case when she was in the middle of her breakdown the fact that the law treats her legally as a child but she can work and make money in other ways is highly suspect. Fortunately, the one thing she can do is refuse to work which is what happened with the residency; she refuses to work until Jaime is not her conservator any longer because he is not getting her the help she needs other than meds. Not knocking meds, but they are generally used along with psychotherapy, behavioral modification and skill-building to get the person back on track and able to be self-sufficient and it seems like she is getting the med part but not the rest. He cancelled the residency but now his latest thing is releasing music that was unpublished previously, knowing she has rabid fans who will buy it.
I haven't seen the documentary yet; I'm just going by reports I've heard over the years as well as things that her team has leaked to the press. She's not asking for much; she just wants her dad removed for someone who will work with her to help her become self-sufficient again. As it is, the major beneficiary of what is going on now is Jaime as he has control over her money, whether her children can visit her, where she can live, whether she can have more children, etc.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 11, 2021 19:45:46 GMT
But some of that shows what a poorly produced documentary it was. Other than saying Jamie really wasn't around when she was young, they didn't make a case against him. They just asked us to trust her fans in saying he wasn't the right person. I don't put a lot of weight into the argument that she can perform, so all of this is not necessary. I get the point that it's suspect she's allowed to do what makes money, but I don't see that as a strong argument that she's fine. Look at Michael Jackson - he performed very well for many years and I would not argue he was well! Another strike I'd give against the way the documentary was presented - there have been several Britney performances in past years that were notable because they were so bad. Those were not acknowledged - but they suggest that everything is not okay. There's no question that on the surface, things don't look good from her dad. However, he's also not in the business of protecting his public image. There's so much about the case we don't know that I just don't think people have any business insisting they know what is best for Britney when they don't know any of the pertinent facts. I would say so too except part of the reason why people get put on conservatorships is that they basically don't have the skills needed to function from day to day; and while that might have been the case when she was in the middle of her breakdown the fact that the law treats her legally as a child but she can work and make money in other ways is highly suspect. Fortunately, the one thing she can do is refuse to work which is what happened with the residency; she refuses to work until Jaime is not her conservator any longer because he is not getting her the help she needs other than meds. Not knocking meds, but they are generally used along with psychotherapy, behavioral modification and skill-building to get the person back on track and able to be self-sufficient and it seems like she is getting the med part but not the rest. He cancelled the residency but now his latest thing is releasing music that was unpublished previously, knowing she has rabid fans who will buy it.
I haven't seen the documentary yet; I'm just going by reports I've heard over the years as well as things that her team has leaked to the press. She's not asking for much; she just wants her dad removed for someone who will work with her to help her become self-sufficient again. As it is, the major beneficiary of what is going on now is Jaime as he has control over her money, whether her children can visit her, where she can live, whether she can have more children, etc.
I am certainly not an expert on conservatorships, but from what I know primarily from the friend I have who is one, I don't think the basic set up of what we know from Britney is that unusual for a mental health conservatorship. I also don't think it should be forgotten what was happening in Britney's life when all of this was set up - she was showing clearly signs in public of not being well mentally, and was attached to a boyfriend / manager who certainly did not seem to be acting in her best interest. It seems to be an ugly and complicated situation - and I don't get the impressions that her fans leading the Free Britney movement understand all the complexities. They're gaining their "knowledge" from reading meaning into social media posts which may or may not be accurate.
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Post by Kao on Feb 11, 2021 21:26:55 GMT
I know about them from a dear client and friend of my mom who moved in with her after she couldn't live on her own anymore. Her conservator was an elder from their church who sold her house and had the proceeds put into a trust along with her late husband's pension and other funds for her. He took care of her day to day bills but also took her to a physical therapist to help with mobility issues as well as with a doctor who worked with cognitive abilities and memory because the poor dear was suffering from dementia as well as crippling arthritis. In addition, the doc gave my mom memory exercises that she practiced with her. The goal was to help her maintain what physical things she could do as well as to sharpen her mentally. I'm not an expert on mental health conservatorships but I always thought that the goal was to also help the beneficiary get the ability to take care of themselves. That does not seem to be happening in this case; while she was not in a good place back then it's been over ten years and Britney is still in the same place legally. I'm also skeptical because of the sad history of women with means being declared "unfit" and placed in asylums or "rest homes" while the men in their lives had control of their money; there's a really good reason why people can't get placed in psych wards and other places based on their relatives say-so now. The poor girl isn't asking for much. She's not even asking for the conservatorship removed at this time; all she wants is to have her dad removed (for good reason) and to have someone to work with her to help her regain her autonomy. Those are reasonable requests and unfortunately the only reason why I think it hasn't happened yet is because there's more of a payoff to someone for her to still have the legal status of a child rather than managing her own affairs. The only way she can fight back is by *not* doing things and considering that there was a year or two left on the residency if Jamie could physically make her perform he probably would.
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