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Post by acookertv on Feb 11, 2021 21:44:28 GMT
I know about them from a dear client and friend of my mom who moved in with her after she couldn't live on her own anymore. Her conservator was an elder from their church who sold her house and had the proceeds put into a trust along with her late husband's pension and other funds for her. He took care of her day to day bills but also took her to a physical therapist to help with mobility issues as well as with a doctor who worked with cognitive abilities and memory because the poor dear was suffering from dementia as well as crippling arthritis. In addition, the doc gave my mom memory exercises that she practiced with her. The goal was to help her maintain what physical things she could do as well as to sharpen her mentally. I'm not an expert on mental health conservatorships but I always thought that the goal was to also help the beneficiary get the ability to take care of themselves. That does not seem to be happening in this case; while she was not in a good place back then it's been over ten years and Britney is still in the same place legally. I'm also skeptical because of the sad history of women with means being declared "unfit" and placed in asylums or "rest homes" while the men in their lives had control of their money; there's a really good reason why people can't get placed in psych wards and other places based on their relatives say-so now. The poor girl isn't asking for much. She's not even asking for the conservatorship removed at this time; all she wants is to have her dad removed (for good reason) and to have someone to work with her to help her regain her autonomy. Those are reasonable requests and unfortunately the only reason why I think it hasn't happened yet is because there's more of a payoff to someone for her to still have the legal status of a child rather than managing her own affairs. The only way she can fight back is by *not* doing things and considering that there was a year or two left on the residency if Jamie could physically make her perform he probably would. In the case of my friend, which similar to Britney is a conservatorship of a person in their 30s and is not what would be viewed as an elderly / end of life situation, there is no goal of getting him to a point of alleviating her of the conservatorship duties. In fact, her will lays out provisions for who would take over as conservator if she were to die before him. I think there are cases where it is accepted a person will be dealing with mental illness all of their lives, and things have to be planned accordingly. I can't ignore that we don't know why Jamie was selected to be the conservator in the first place, or why he's been kept on. Without that knowledge, I don't think it can be judged. In the case of my friend, she was given the role in place of other people in the family who on paper would make a lot more sense because she was the one the family knew would have the conviction to make the tough decisions if things got really bad. There's so much we don't know.
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Post by Amy Lee on Feb 17, 2021 18:28:55 GMT
But some of that shows what a poorly produced documentary it was. Other than saying Jamie really wasn't around when she was young, they didn't make a case against him. They just asked us to trust her fans in saying he wasn't the right person. I don't put a lot of weight into the argument that she can perform, so all of this is not necessary. I get the point that it's suspect she's allowed to do what makes money, but I don't see that as a strong argument that she's fine. Look at Michael Jackson - he performed very well for many years and I would not argue he was well! Another strike I'd give against the way the documentary was presented - there have been several Britney performances in past years that were notable because they were so bad. Those were not acknowledged - but they suggest that everything is not okay. There's no question that on the surface, things don't look good from her dad. However, he's also not in the business of protecting his public image. There's so much about the case we don't know that I just don't think people have any business insisting they know what is best for Britney when they don't know any of the pertinent facts. I would say so too except part of the reason why people get put on conservatorships is that they basically don't have the skills needed to function from day to day; and while that might have been the case when she was in the middle of her breakdown the fact that the law treats her legally as a child but she can work and make money in other ways is highly suspect. Fortunately, the one thing she can do is refuse to work which is what happened with the residency; she refuses to work until Jaime is not her conservator any longer because he is not getting her the help she needs other than meds. Not knocking meds, but they are generally used along with psychotherapy, behavioral modification and skill-building to get the person back on track and able to be self-sufficient and it seems like she is getting the med part but not the rest. He cancelled the residency but now his latest thing is releasing music that was unpublished previously, knowing she has rabid fans who will buy it.
I haven't seen the documentary yet; I'm just going by reports I've heard over the years as well as things that her team has leaked to the press. She's not asking for much; she just wants her dad removed for someone who will work with her to help her become self-sufficient again. As it is, the major beneficiary of what is going on now is Jaime as he has control over her money, whether her children can visit her, where she can live, whether she can have more children, etc.
Please by all means watch it when you have a moment. It genuinely made me feel bad for her.
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Post by Kao on Feb 19, 2021 21:53:30 GMT
It's official now; KimYe are officially divorcing and all things considered it...seems decent? Joint custody (with the children living with Kim most of the time), no one contesting the prenup, both of them are going to co-parent, and now they are working towards a property split agreement and once that is done so are they. I hope this continues to be lowkey for the sake of the children.
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Post by beerbelly on Feb 19, 2021 23:37:06 GMT
I heard that she was seen around Natick (where I went to boarding school) and rumor has it that she is buying a house near there. Natick Massachusetts is not usually in the news so it caught my eye.
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Post by Kao on Feb 19, 2021 23:51:46 GMT
I heard that she was seen around Natick (where I went to boarding school) and rumor has it that she is buying a house near there. Natick Massachusetts is not usually in the news so it caught my eye. Interesting for someone who is basically a ride or die CA type. I wonder what's in Natick that's bright and shiny that caught her attention?
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 19, 2021 23:53:44 GMT
I heard that she was seen around Natick (where I went to boarding school) and rumor has it that she is buying a house near there. Natick Massachusetts is not usually in the news so it caught my eye. How strange! My cousin used to live in Natick. It's been 30 years, so maybe things have changed, but it didn't strike me as a Kim K kind of place, but maybe she's looking for a getaway.
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Post by beerbelly on Feb 19, 2021 23:55:26 GMT
Right? I was there for three years and found it a snooze fest. I just did a quick Gooogle and I believe it was Khloe - whoops!
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 20, 2021 1:11:53 GMT
Right? I was there for three years and found it a snooze fest. I just did a quick Gooogle and I believe it was Khloe - whoops! Oh THAT definitely makes sense because she and Thompson (who now plays for the Celtics) what to get back together and have another baby. But weird Natick......why not WESTON OR DOVER OR SHERBORN, it is all MANSIONS or Wellsley which is lovely and also Needham, where I grew up, LOVELY. Or Lexington, even that is really nice. But Natick ...... maybe the Celts practice close to there?????
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Post by beerbelly on Feb 20, 2021 2:34:59 GMT
Someone reported seeing her at the Natick Mall! Oh, and Wellsey is far nicer than Natick, all of those places are much nicer than Natick. I mean, they didn't have a restaurant when I went to school there.
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Post by Amy Lee on Feb 20, 2021 3:10:53 GMT
Right? I was there for three years and found it a snooze fest. I just did a quick Gooogle and I believe it was Khloe - whoops! Oh THAT definitely makes sense because she and Thompson (who now plays for the Celtics) what to get back together and have another baby. But weird Natick......why not WESTON OR DOVER OR SHERBORN, it is all MANSIONS or Wellsley which is lovely and also Needham, where I grew up, LOVELY. Or Lexington, even that is really nice. But Natick ...... maybe the Celts practice close to there????? I wish her the best of luck on getting back together with community lover.🤦🏾♀️
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 20, 2021 3:32:56 GMT
Yeah. I didn't spend a lot of time in Natick when I was living in the Boston area. (I lived in Somerville and Watertown and worked in Cambridge, so totally on the other side of things.) My cousin moved to Natick shortly before I moved back out West, and I only visited a couple of times, but it definitely wasn't as nice or interesting as any of those places that you mentioned, momrek06. I'll bet you're right that the Celtics practice near there.
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Post by Kao on Feb 20, 2021 5:19:40 GMT
Oh THAT definitely makes sense because she and Thompson (who now plays for the Celtics) what to get back together and have another baby. But weird Natick......why not WESTON OR DOVER OR SHERBORN, it is all MANSIONS or Wellsley which is lovely and also Needham, where I grew up, LOVELY. Or Lexington, even that is really nice. But Natick ...... maybe the Celts practice close to there????? I wish her the best of luck on getting back together with community lover.🤦🏾♀️ I read this quote but used another word instead of "lover"
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Post by Amy Lee on Feb 20, 2021 5:44:58 GMT
I wish her the best of luck on getting back together with community lover.🤦🏾♀️ I read this quote but used another word instead of "lover" Trust me, I used the same word you're thinking. Ha!
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Post by redsoxgirl on Feb 25, 2021 5:52:46 GMT
But some of that shows what a poorly produced documentary it was. Other than saying Jamie really wasn't around when she was young, they didn't make a case against him. They just asked us to trust her fans in saying he wasn't the right person. I don't put a lot of weight into the argument that she can perform, so all of this is not necessary. I get the point that it's suspect she's allowed to do what makes money, but I don't see that as a strong argument that she's fine. Look at Michael Jackson - he performed very well for many years and I would not argue he was well! Another strike I'd give against the way the documentary was presented - there have been several Britney performances in past years that were notable because they were so bad. Those were not acknowledged - but they suggest that everything is not okay. There's no question that on the surface, things don't look good from her dad. However, he's also not in the business of protecting his public image. There's so much about the case we don't know that I just don't think people have any business insisting they know what is best for Britney when they don't know any of the pertinent facts.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Feb 25, 2021 6:00:34 GMT
The problem I have with it is that she has asked for her father to be removed as her conservator and for a non-biased party to oversee it for years and for some reason the current judge keeps denying her this, even after Jaime had an altercation with one of her boys and they have a restraining order against him. As it currently is there is no room for her to grow and develop as a person and is working to stifle her as a person. Here is a person who is not allowed to have any friends, is not allowed to make any financial decisions, is given a small allowance for groceries and Starbucks, is given limited time with her children when she gets "out of line" but yet is allowed to have a companion (that she is not allowed to marry, of course), make albums, go on tour, and maintain a Vegas residency for two years. Seems like everything that makes her trust (and Jaime's pocketbook) more money is allowed, while everything that can help her grow and take an active part in her life is not. Part of a conservatory's job is to also to help people either retain a certain amount of autonomy (in the case of elderly who have it) or to help give people skills to be able to cope with life, take care of themselves, and live their life. As someone who has gone through a similar mental health crisis I shudder to think of if a family member had placed me under one and not given room to grow to the point that I still needed one over a decade later! Also, another thing to keep in mind that even though Jaime claims he's only getting 150k/yr for being her conservator Britney's lawyers had uncovered some "irregularites" in her trusts and have asked him for receipts, etc. So far, he has not complied. I rarely post. But I had to here. Thank you for a on the nose assessment of the situation and how she is treated by Jaime. He's also angry with her because she refuses to perform until he is no longer conservator. At least there is a second conservator approved by Britany and her lawyers.
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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 1, 2021 3:07:01 GMT
Loved Jane Fonda's Golden Globes speech.
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Post by Cootie on Mar 1, 2021 3:15:02 GMT
Loved Jane Fonda's Golden Globes speech. Me, too! I just caught it as I turned on my TV. I also liked Jodie Foster's reaction to winning her Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actress for The Mauritanian! I haven't seen it but I've admired her for a long time.
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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 4, 2021 2:54:51 GMT
Gillian was actually raised in London from the time she was a baby until right before her teen years, so her accent tends to come back when she's there. Meanwhile, his wife was straight up caught lying about her origins, trying to throw dirt on someone else's name is foul, $hitty and doesn't make you look better by comparison. Have a seat.
Alec Baldwin Subtweets 'The Crown' Star Gillian Anderson Over Accent Switch
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Post by Kao on Mar 4, 2021 3:36:31 GMT
Not to mention they got a surrogate at the same time Hilaria was carrying Luca so they could have another girl! Seriously...you have 5 healthy children already, there's no need to rent a womb from some poor lady that you can't even bother to compensate properly!
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Post by dagwood on Mar 4, 2021 20:16:34 GMT
I have always thought Alec Baldwin was trash.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 21:10:05 GMT
I have always thought Alec Baldwin was trash. Same here. I don't care for any of the Baldwin's , I just haven't figured out why.
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Post by Critical on Mar 4, 2021 22:35:52 GMT
I have always thought Alec Baldwin was trash. I definitely have never labored under the illusion that he's a sweetheart of a guy. Because I know he's likely a GIANT s.o.b, I still can enjoy his work and not worry about the rest. I think he's talented and funny, but I definitely don't want to have lunch with him. I won't watch something just because he's in it, but I also won't avoid watching because he's in it.
He really did miscalculate with that jab an Gillian Anderson. Her switching between accents is totally valid and understandable because of her upbringing....unlike his wife's big bag of bs
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Post by ibot2much on Mar 5, 2021 21:53:05 GMT
Saw in PEOPLE that Garth put out the statement that his wife Trishia Yearwood tested positive for Covid and is still recovering.
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Post by Kao on Mar 6, 2021 4:42:11 GMT
Nic Cage just got married for the fifth time. New wife is two years younger than his son Weston. Considering how his last marriage only lasted for four days I wonder how long this one will last? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting this time will be different.
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Post by ibot2much on Mar 13, 2021 15:49:48 GMT
Saw a picture of Dolly Parton getting her Covid shot in PEOPLE. The story mentioned that she sang a few bars of JOLENE but used the word "vaccine".
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Post by Kao on Mar 13, 2021 17:07:10 GMT
JLo and A-Rod have either broken up or "working things out" depending on what gossip rag you read. Girl, it's okay to just have fun...you don't have to marry them!
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 13, 2021 17:20:03 GMT
JLo and A-Rod have either broken up or "working things out" depending on what gossip rag you read. Girl, it's okay to just have fun...you don't have to marry them! I barely follow any celeb news anymore because this semester of school is so intense I barely even have 5 minutes to read rag sheets. ANYWAY, was A-Rod cheating on JLo with some girl from the tv show Southern Charm/Madison ..... was her name?
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 13, 2021 17:41:59 GMT
JLo and A-Rod have either broken up or "working things out" depending on what gossip rag you read. Girl, it's okay to just have fun...you don't have to marry them! I wonder how attached her children got.. Yes, just have fun..
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 13, 2021 20:50:54 GMT
Saw a picture of Dolly Parton getting her Covid shot in PEOPLE. The story mentioned that she sang a few bars of JOLENE but used the word "vaccine". I heard she cracked some kind of cute joke about having helped financed it. Something like "Well, you get what you pay for." LOL
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Post by Arielflies on Mar 13, 2021 23:43:20 GMT
Yeah, I saw the Dolly spot. She's singing "Vaccine" to the Jolene song then sits with her open shoulder dress on and someone jabs her with a needle.
What she did was donate one Million dollars to Vanderbilt University in Nashville for their efforts with helping develop the vaccines.
It is an adorable spot.
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