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Post by acookertv on Jun 15, 2021 10:49:54 GMT
@acooker - I was reacting the comment of "I guess we'll have to wait and see if she's changed." Unless people come forward, we won't know. She wasn't bullying people on her Twitter or Insta - she was doing it via DM and text. In private messages. That was my point. Even when she had a better public image, there were still a lot of blind items about how terrible she was to people behind the scenes. I think many weren't willing to come forward because John was and is still quite popular and no one wanted to a) go against him or b) deal with even more nastiness from Chrissy. It's sort of how there were rumors for YEARS about Ellen being so nasty, but no one ever spoke up because she was pretty powerful. Once her show declined a bit, it became a bit "safer" for people to speak out against her behavior. Same with Lea Michelle. On Glee, she was the queen bee, so no one was speak out against her nastiness (look what happened to Naya when she went up against Lea). Now that she's not got much power, those stories are coming out. If Chrissy really has been going after Michael Costello for, what, 7+ years, I'd say that this is just how she is and no, I don't believe she can change. It's not a slip up; it's a pattern of behavior. Speaking about public figures like we do in this thread isn't the same thing as send nasty, ugly messages directly to them. I have an issue with people saying hideous things to public figures too. In spite of Chrissy's behavior, I'm still not okay with how people bashed her after she came forward about losing their baby. I don't think she's a nice person, but I don't see the need to bash her on her Insta or something. I don't understand the need to do that. If I don't like someone, I don't follow them on social media. I don't hope she dies or anything. I just believe she should experience some consequences for her behavior, which is what is happening now. I understand your point. I also think you understand mine that what she does behind the scenes is not really the mystery you suggested initially given the number of things she's done privately that have come to light. Now, there's even more safety in numbers for anyone she bullies privately to come forward. So I stick to the original point - we can wait to see if she's changed because she doesn't have a lot of power to keep things she does privately a secret.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 15, 2021 12:55:04 GMT
I typically don't comment on celebrity gossip but this whole Jen/Ben thing has my head spinning. She's moved her kids from Miami (where their dad is) and has gone to LA to be near Ben... and they're already doing family outings? I know they have a history and I know kids are flexible and resilient but huh? She once said that Ben was her one or first heart break. He's the one guy she's been with that has the same level of fame. It is one sad ass tattoo, isn't it? Lol
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 15, 2021 13:15:46 GMT
There's a lot of it, but the good news is that if she doesn't like it, she doesn't have to see it unless she's standing behind him. 😁
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Post by Kao on Jun 15, 2021 23:23:25 GMT
Apparently there was an issue a few years back about Michael stealing design ideas from a Black designer and when he was confronted about it let loose with a bunch of racial slurs to the designer? Also, Beyonce was apparently involved? I don't know if it's Internet talk or not, but I do know that he used to get a considerable amount of business from the RnB girls for award shows, etc...and all of a sudden they just stopped using him a few years ago. When you're a designer how you treat people and what you say really matters; that's why Christian Sirarino has all the business he can handle because he's kind and like Octavia Spencer's go-to designer makes really good clothing for bigger women. It's also why John Galliano hasn't been able to make his way back and he made absolutely beautiful clothes. In fact, I'm still mad about Galliano being a POS because I used to love his shows and his talent.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 16, 2021 2:33:29 GMT
Apparently there was an issue a few years back about Michael stealing design ideas from a Black designer and when he was confronted about it let loose with a bunch of racial slurs to the designer? Also, Beyonce was apparently involved? I don't know if it's Internet talk or not, but I do know that he used to get a considerable amount of business from the RnB girls for award shows, etc...and all of a sudden they just stopped using him a few years ago. When you're a designer how you treat people and what you say really matters; that's why Christian Sirarino has all the business he can handle because he's kind and like Octavia Spencer's go-to designer makes really good clothing for bigger women. It's also why John Galliano hasn't been able to make his way back and he made absolutely beautiful clothes. In fact, I'm still mad about Galliano being a POS because I used to love his shows and his talent.Me, too! He was my favorite!
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Post by Kao on Jun 16, 2021 16:03:23 GMT
Galliano and McQueen were pretty much equals in my eyes who both went to St Martins and made fashion design into an art form. Now, one is dead and the other a pariah which is his own fault; no one asked him to sit in that restaurant hurling racist and anti-Semitic BS at people. I'm not even going to get into the hypocrisy of people who went in on Galliano but still buy Chanel because that's a subject for another day. Another day and the floodgates have opened; allegedly Michael got into yet another altercation with yet another Black designer a couple of years ago in the middle of a fabric store (!) where he hurled the N and B word at her. Leona Lewis entered the chat last night and said that Michael was supposed to design a dress for her and fit it for an award show and he completed ghosted her and didn't show up for any of the fittings, including the final one the day of the show. The dress was sample size and didn't fit at all so she couldn't do the show, and when she finally got in touch with him a couple of days later he pretty much told her he was busy and it wasn't his fault she was too big to fit the sample. :/ There were other people chiming in with their recollections of Michael and while some of those folks might have been talking for clout I don't buy that all of these people are lying; in fact, it's looking more and more like his unpleasantness got around and people stopped hiring him full-stop because why would you buy clothes from a known bigot? While Chrissy and her stylist friend might have helped to "spread the word" I think it's a combination of that plus his reputation that sunk him.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 16, 2021 19:18:31 GMT
It's so weird that Michael would have resurrected the bigotry controversy if he knew that there had been other instances besides the one that proved to be Photoshopped. I can see how he saw the current exposure of Chrissy Teigen's bullying as being a possible way for him to reclaim his reputation, but was he really so naive as to think that other people he had wronged wouldn't come forward to say that it wasn't a misrepresentation, and he had done things that negatively impacted his reputation.
Since he's said that he's suicidal, it's likely that he's not in a good space mentally and didn't think it through, but he's created such a mess for himself.
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Post by Kao on Jun 16, 2021 22:08:28 GMT
I feel for anyone being in a bad place but more and more this is looking like the meme "Man Realizes Personal Demons Are Actually Consequences of His Actions." Let's just say I don't see Christian Siriano or Anthony Williams having this issue.
The world of art and design tends to be very close-knit, and while there's always exceptions your reputation matters and a lot of mid-level designers get the vast majority of their work from word of mouth. A stylist or a celeb wears your clothes, she tells her celeb friends what a good time she had with the designer during the fittings and they go to him as well, etc. The R and B girls were really wearing his stuff years ago and it looks like the same network that was giving him buzz back then has effectively shut down and I don't think it was by accident either because people tend to be somewhat loyal to their designers. He just didn't bite the hand that feeds...he crapped all over it. I hope he gets help for his depression but honestly, he brought this on himself.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 17, 2021 11:08:17 GMT
You beat me to it, Kao, I was going to reply to you with the Leona Lewis story. I thought his response was a not great. Nonetheless, she accepted it. "I reached out to you directly in an Instagram DM after seeing your Instagram Stories, but I have yet to hear from you," he wrote. "Given that you have publicly shared your experience with me on Instagram without coming to me privately first, I have no choice but to respond to you here as I tried reaching out to you privately without much luck." He wrote that he was "really surprised" to hear about her experience with him at the 2014 event, saying he believed the two "had a wonderful time at the fitting." He claimed she said she "absolutely loved the dresses" and said he's dressed her many times since. Costello said the most recent request from her team came as recently as May 2021. "I don't take accusations of body shaming lightly, as I have built a career as celebrating diverse women of all shapes and sizes. But if I did unintentionally hurt you, and you continued to support me, I want to apologize to you directly," he continued. "This caught me by surprise, I am completely blindsided, as you have always looked fabulous in my gowns, and I thought you truly loved them." He expressed disappointment that she never reached out to him directly, especially during a time where he was "not in a good mental state of mind." He said, "I wish you spoke to me directly instead of on Instagram, especially when I am at my most vulnerable moment. After years of trauma and getting blacklisted with receipts shown to me by my friends and allies, I have been suicidal and often feel no purpose to live." "I pray your intentions are pure, and that you're not acting recklessly in an attempt to smear me and all the dresses I created for you to save a friend," he continued. "If you were in my position, I'm sure you would equally be as shocked. Someone who has continuously reached out to ask for more dresses, someone who has supported you, worn you, tagged you, all of a sudden comes out and say that you hurt them 7 years ago." He concluded his post writing, "Whenever you're ready, I'm here. Let's have a heart-to-heart-conversation." toofab.com/2021/06/16/michael-costello-posts-open-letter-to-leona-lewis/
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Post by Kao on Jun 17, 2021 12:53:37 GMT
Hmm...wait; how did "they have a good time at he fitting" when he didn't bother to show up? And if she continued to use him after the 2014 event that is on her.
All of this is messy.
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Post by AZChristian on Jun 17, 2021 14:00:08 GMT
Hmm...wait; how did "they have a good time at he fitting" when he didn't bother to show up? And if she continued to use him after the 2014 event that is on her. All of this is messy. A whole lot of what happens between "celebrities" in Hollywood is messy. It seems that - often - at least half of the people involved in these "messes" is primarily looking for publicity.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 18, 2021 14:28:10 GMT
Whoops-a-daisy! It looks like Michael Costello could have doctored his "DMs" from Chrissy Tiegen in order to insert himself in the story -
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Post by Kao on Jun 18, 2021 14:38:41 GMT
LOL, I was just reading about this acookertv !
Pretty much everyone involved with this except Leona Lewis and the designers he stole from and had altercations with are trash. Team No One.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 18, 2021 15:17:38 GMT
WOW!!!!!! My Lord, all this is such a MESS.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 19, 2021 1:44:27 GMT
LOL, I was just reading about this acookertv !
Pretty much everyone involved with this except Leona Lewis and the designers he stole from and had altercations with are trash. Team No One.
Lmao at team no one.
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Post by Kao on Jun 22, 2021 15:19:48 GMT
In "OK, this is really getting creepy" news A-Rod was spotted partying with Lindsey Shookus (Ben Affleck's ex who broke up his marriage) in the Hamptons recently. A-Rod claims they have been friends for 15 years and it was her birthday but this is a weird look. He also rented a house in the Hamptons that is 3 minutes away from JLo's house. How typical of someone who cheats and instead of their partner "working things out" beat feet instead and now they are upset their now ex-partner found happiness with someone else.
Speaking of JLo and Ben, they look extremely happy together these days so who knows? It might work out. Weirder things have happened.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 22, 2021 16:25:35 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Jun 22, 2021 16:39:32 GMT
Based on the video I saw of A-Rod with Shookus, I think their being together was much ado about nothing. They were at the same party, sitting next to each other in a large group. No reports of anything happening between them other than being in the same place at the same time. He's had more intimate encounters with Derek Jeter. I think JLo and Ben would look happy together regardless because they are putting on a performance to get attention. They may actually be happy together - but Jen has a long history of being happy with known cheaters up until the point that they embarrass her by getting too comfortable and cheating in ways that she can't ignore. But Ben has a history of getting lazy and embarrassing the women he's with. I think the common bond between Jen, Ben, and Arod is that they are all self centered people who crave attention and are willing to put their lives on display for attention. At least when Jennifer Anniston does the same, there are no children involved.
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Post by Kao on Jun 22, 2021 16:55:46 GMT
Word around town says that Tristan was involved in a orgy this time. I've ceased feeling sorry for Khloe because 1. when someone shows you who they are, believe them, and 2. Girl, how many times are you going to do this dance? He was with his pregnant GF when he got together with her in the first place and that's a pretty strong lack of character indicator. She also taunted his ex about her relationship with him. Now the ex is doing fine while Khloe is out here looking like BooBoo the Fool being angry at the women who cheat with him instead of him.
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Post by Kao on Jun 22, 2021 18:38:50 GMT
The NYT has a detailed article about Britney's court battles with her father today and wow, it's an eyeopener. She has a court date tomorrow and I really hope they remove her dad as conservator and stop allowing this man to take her money.
Definitely, the article is a good read. This poor woman.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 22, 2021 18:42:56 GMT
Does this article do a better job of explaining the other side than their "documentary" did? Or is it more story telling from her fan's assumptions?
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Post by Kao on Jun 22, 2021 19:33:02 GMT
It does a good job because it actually gets the information from court documents, people associated with both Britney and her dad, etc. I had no idea that Britney tried to petition to have him removed ages ago. Also, the judge is also not looking too hot either; it would not surprise me one bit if in the future we find out he was on the take.
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 22, 2021 19:33:34 GMT
Do any of you follow her on Instagram?
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Post by acookertv on Jun 22, 2021 20:33:15 GMT
Do any of you follow her on Instagram? I don't. I've read about her instagram and looked at it from time to time, but i don't follow. It makes me uncomfortable - but that may simply be due to the tea leaf reading that is attempted with it. It's a sensitive area for me. I've got a friend who serves as the conservator for a close family member, so I've seen first hand how often she's portrayed by the family member as well as others close to them as being controlling and unreasonable. She just tolerates all of it, because fighting back and defending herself does nothing to help the situation. It's a very difficult and complicated thing - and I don't think any of the outside observers have enough information on Britney's case to make the declarations that they are. It's easy to be really bold in opinions when you don't have all the facts!
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 22, 2021 23:01:07 GMT
It makes me uncomfortable too. She's obviously not ok. But I don't know if that's from years of being under someone's thumb or if it's her mental illness. Or both. Like you said...no one really knows all sides to the story or all the facts. But I do know that after watching that documentary I felt like a big POS for not standing by her as a woman. In no way should people have cared whether her and Justin Timberlake had sex. In no way should people have been SO much in her business. She was let down by so many people. And used by others.
I'm Team Britney. What ever that may be. I just want her happy and healthy.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 23, 2021 0:54:19 GMT
Word around town says that Tristan was involved in a orgy this time. I've ceased feeling sorry for Khloe because 1. when someone shows you who they are, believe them, and 2. Girl, how many times are you going to do this dance? He was with his pregnant GF when he got together with her in the first place and that's a pretty strong lack of character indicator. She also taunted his ex about her relationship with him. Now the ex is doing fine while Khloe is out here looking like BooBoo the Fool being angry at the women who cheat with him instead of him. The article I saw had a quote from a friend saying how hard Khloe has worked to trust him. My immediate reaction was: Why would you work at trusting someone who is so clearly untrustworthy?
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Post by acookertv on Jun 23, 2021 1:20:59 GMT
I think Khloe has set herself up for a lot of disappointment in life by wishing for a fantasy version of the men she’s with instead of accepting who they are.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 23, 2021 2:06:25 GMT
Word around town says that Tristan was involved in a orgy this time. I've ceased feeling sorry for Khloe because 1. when someone shows you who they are, believe them, and 2. Girl, how many times are you going to do this dance? He was with his pregnant GF when he got together with her in the first place and that's a pretty strong lack of character indicator. She also taunted his ex about her relationship with him. Now the ex is doing fine while Khloe is out here looking like BooBoo the Fool being angry at the women who cheat with him instead of him. I genuinely think that Khloe hung on just so that True can have a sibling with the same father.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 23, 2021 14:59:55 GMT
Word around town says that Tristan was involved in a orgy this time. I've ceased feeling sorry for Khloe because 1. when someone shows you who they are, believe them, and 2. Girl, how many times are you going to do this dance? He was with his pregnant GF when he got together with her in the first place and that's a pretty strong lack of character indicator. She also taunted his ex about her relationship with him. Now the ex is doing fine while Khloe is out here looking like BooBoo the Fool being angry at the women who cheat with him instead of him. I genuinely think that Khloe hung on just so that True can have a sibling with the same father. I agree Amy Lee. She is not even in a relationship with him at all. I mean Kourtney did the SAME thing YEARS ago. Unlike Khloe though, Kourtney lead Scott to think that they were possibly getting back together. She slept with him. Found herself pregnant with baby #3. Then broke up with Scott before telling him she was pregnant. Later on Scott found out, confronted Kourtney about her scheming actions and she LIED and said that was not her intent to just get pregnant WHILE IT WAS. Khloe has been using a fertility clinic to conceive baby #2 together with Thompson. She is not sleeping with Thompson. She has had a lot of trust issues with Thompson.
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Post by ibot2much on Jun 23, 2021 16:58:30 GMT
Seriously, that K Clan----they all make me gag!!!!
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