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Post by Bearcata on Jul 17, 2021 3:49:06 GMT
Ha. Britney had plentytime to write a coherent letter showing that she is a capable adult that can handle her own affairs, instead the letter shows that Britney at 39 years of age is a rambling, bumbling idiot, either mentally incompetent or on drugs or both. Nervous my hindie, that woman had appeared before thousands for nearly 20 years, she had been in court numerous times. What is sad is that her lawyers allowed that piece of garbage writing to represent her state of mind. Britney's lawyers did not represent her well by allowing her to do that. It is pretty obvious from her own 4 page letter that she is all over the place and if given the power to handle her own affairs will be financially broke in less then 10 years. There needs to be a compromise. I do not doubt Britney is way over medicated and I am sure by now both parties are happy to have her that way. Performing in front of ba crowd is very different than appearing before one person, a judge. Britney controls those crowds, shes in charge of them, and has done so for several decades. And you know, you aren't looking into anyones eyes. You are not in control of how a judge is going to react standing there alone making public your deeepest fears and concerns. Spilling your guts. Unless you've been through the latter experience you can't understand it. I am a performer and I've also had to speak before a judge, by myself, without anyone to guide me. I was more terrified of that than any performance I've given. I have compassion for her and will choose that always over critisizing her over her anxiety.I can't imagine coming down on her over being nervous in court. Legal scholars are certainly impressed with her. And really, these conservatorships are only used sparinglyy in cases involving elderly people who can no longer make bany decisions, usually due to alzheimers or complete incapacitation. On young people, they to would have to be fully incapacitated. THat's how rare these are. Britney had time to write a several page explanation of why she is competent and read it to the judge. I do not have a problem with anyone writing what they want to say and then read it to the judge. This is a good idea, especially if the person reading the document is nervous. My point which I think you are missing is the mess she wrote. It is wandering all over the place. If you have time to write your points do it in the best way possible to present your point of view. The fact her lawyer let her read that mess is a total disaster and does a huge disservice to his client. Have a professional writer help put a document like that together, to present the facts as you see them in a logical order and help your case not make it look like you are incompetent and off your meds.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 17, 2021 11:19:30 GMT
Agree. I think her legal advice has bordered on malpractice.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 17, 2021 13:27:28 GMT
Britney Spears' plight reveals the justice system's bias against those who live with mental illness -Matthew Rozsa
There are too many people in conservatorships right now, but the victims don't have a voice. Many echoed concern about the decision to put Spears in conservatorship in the first place.
Spears' new lawyer, Mathew Rosengart, told the court on Wednesday that he hopes Spears' father will prove he loves her by stepping aside. Either way, Rosengart expressed serious doubts as to whether it was ever appropriate for Spears to be put into conservatorship.
"I think that Britney absolutely did the right thing in seeking mental health treatment; it's just that I don't think immediately going for a conservatorship was the right answer," Haley Moss, an autism advocate and the first openly autistic female attorney in Florida history, told Salon. "I think it was very predatory on behalf of her father.""what people don't realize about conservatorships and guardianships is the very permanent nature of them. They're very difficult to get out of, as we've been seeing we're 13 years down the line here, and Britney Spears still is not out of it."
She added, "Just imagine that knowing that how difficult it must be for your average disabled person."
Anna Krieger, senior attorney at the Center for Public Representation, said that this distrust toward people with mental illnesses is compounded by a system that is biased toward medical professionals.
Shira Wakschlag, senior director of legal advocacy and general counsel at The Arc — an organization that helps people with intellectual and developmental disabilities — told Salon that one of the problems in the Spears case, and for disabled people more generally (it is unclear whether Spears herself is disabled due to mental health issues), is that they simply are not taken seriously.
"The scales are tipped towards trusting doctors, towards trusting experts, and not trusting the words of the people who have the living experience of either having a mental health disability or being labeled as having a mental health disability," Krieger observed. "Those are the folks who are the experts in their own lives."
Krieger recalled cases in which her clients tried to get released from involuntary detention at hospitals. Her clients could often explain in great detail how they could take care of themselves but were ignored because they would display their mental illness.
"The big issue with conservatorship, and guardianship more broadly, is that a lot of folks can lose civil rights," Moss told Salon, listing everything from the right to vote and choose where you live to your ability to get a driver's license. "When we're talking about abuse here, the thing is that at least for people with psychiatric disabilities, it's important to see is that guardians and conservators may not may not always act in the conservatee or the ward's best interest." In Spears' case, that is compounded by the fact she has a lot of money and assets.
"You also just don't have a lot of oversight from courts," Moss said. "Conservatorship and guardianship proceedings are typically confidential and private. So the fact that we have as much access to what's going on in Britney's case, it's very unusual."
Likewise, there is little public knowledge as to the extent to which conservatorships and guardianships are being abused. The necessary statistics simply aren't there.
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Post by Bearcata on Jul 17, 2021 13:56:40 GMT
Britney Spears' plight reveals the justice system's bias against those who live with mental illness -Matthew Rozsa There are too many people in conservatorships right now, but the victims don't have a voice. Many echoed concern about the decision to put Spears in conservatorship in the first place. Spears' new lawyer, Mathew Rosengart, told the court on Wednesday that he hopes Spears' father will prove he loves her by stepping aside. Either way, Rosengart expressed serious doubts as to whether it was ever appropriate for Spears to be put into conservatorship. "I think that Britney absolutely did the right thing in seeking mental health treatment; it's just that I don't think immediately going for a conservatorship was the right answer," Haley Moss, an autism advocate and the first openly autistic female attorney in Florida history, told Salon. "I think it was very predatory on behalf of her father.""what people don't realize about conservatorships and guardianships is the very permanent nature of them. They're very difficult to get out of, as we've been seeing we're 13 years down the line here, and Britney Spears still is not out of it." She added, "Just imagine that knowing that how difficult it must be for your average disabled person." Anna Krieger, senior attorney at the Center for Public Representation, said that this distrust toward people with mental illnesses is compounded by a system that is biased toward medical professionals. Shira Wakschlag, senior director of legal advocacy and general counsel at The Arc — an organization that helps people with intellectual and developmental disabilities — told Salon that one of the problems in the Spears case, and for disabled people more generally (it is unclear whether Spears herself is disabled due to mental health issues), is that they simply are not taken seriously. "The scales are tipped towards trusting doctors, towards trusting experts, and not trusting the words of the people who have the living experience of either having a mental health disability or being labeled as having a mental health disability," Krieger observed. "Those are the folks who are the experts in their own lives." Krieger recalled cases in which her clients tried to get released from involuntary detention at hospitals. Her clients could often explain in great detail how they could take care of themselves but were ignored because they would display their mental illness. "The big issue with conservatorship, and guardianship more broadly, is that a lot of folks can lose civil rights," Moss told Salon, listing everything from the right to vote and choose where you live to your ability to get a driver's license. "When we're talking about abuse here, the thing is that at least for people with psychiatric disabilities, it's important to see is that guardians and conservators may not may not always act in the conservatee or the ward's best interest." In Spears' case, that is compounded by the fact she has a lot of money and assets. "You also just don't have a lot of oversight from courts," Moss said. "Conservatorship and guardianship proceedings are typically confidential and private. So the fact that we have as much access to what's going on in Britney's case, it's very unusual." Likewise, there is little public knowledge as to the extent to which conservatorships and guardianships are being abused. The necessary statistics simply aren't there. I absolutely do agree that there is much abuse with conservatorships and guardianships especially toward the elderly. There are people who prey on people; who do this as profession to strip the victim of their assets and then discard those clients. That being said, concerning when families are involved. There are so many stories where family members don't want to take care of their elderly and basically dump it on a family member. That family member is then an unpaid caretaker whose free time is no longer theirs. When the client passes away it is amazing how all of a sudden family members who could not spare an hour or two once a year to sit with the now deceased family member will argue over the money or assets that are left or not left in any accounts. Is it time to revisit Britney's situation? Yes. Because of her medical situation I do think people will take advantage. As a successful and rich female, people will try to take advantage, looking at you new boyfriend. I do understand that her family thinks if they are not involved she will lose her fortune.
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Post by Kao on Jul 17, 2021 15:06:43 GMT
Here's the million-dollar question; Is Britney even getting help from a therapist or psychologist for her issues, or is it someone who is more or less a pill-pusher? Because part of being under a conservatorship is working with the person to make sure they can live the best life they can. Instead, it looks like she's being fed pills to make her more controllable, told that if she wants to see her children she has to do what "they say" (despite there never being an issue with the children) and getting her money stolen by "family." You can have a financial conservatorship and have a therapist work with you on the life-handling stuff. Part of being an adult means you are allowed to make mistakes and learn from them, and they have effectively prevented this woman from learning anything for the past 13 years. Bearcata mentioned that she sounded kinda off in court and I would say that this is a result of not getting some of the resources she needs (while being forced to work, of course). She also made a scathing subtweet this morning about her sister, Jaime Lynn after Jaime posted some sanctimonious mess about that situation. Looks like whatever closeness the two sisters had is now gone.
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Post by Cuddles on Jul 17, 2021 15:51:33 GMT
I would say Britney sounded pretty clearheaded in that tweet!
Her mother (apparently) tweeted a mysterious hidden message. I didn’t see it but I read about it.
Why can’t they let her have this moment and see if she is right? What are they so afraid of? Sometimes when you are right on top of something it is hard to get a clear view. They should just step back and breath.
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Post by Kao on Jul 17, 2021 20:31:50 GMT
I would say Britney sounded pretty clearheaded in that tweet! Her mother (apparently) tweeted a mysterious hidden message. I didn’t see it but I read about it. Why can’t they let her have this moment and see if she is right? What are they so afraid of? Sometimes when you are right on top of something it is hard to get a clear view. They should just step back and breath. Money, and not being allowed to feed from the fattened calf any longer.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 18, 2021 18:21:12 GMT
I would say Britney sounded pretty clearheaded in that tweet! Her mother (apparently) tweeted a mysterious hidden message. I didn’t see it but I read about it. Why can’t they let her have this moment and see if she is right? What are they so afraid of? Sometimes when you are right on top of something it is hard to get a clear view. They should just step back and breath. Money, and not being allowed to feed from the fattened calf any longer. Britney just told of her sister Jamie Lynn for singing Britneys songs over the last 13 years. W/O permission. Well, she was given permission from the conservatorship. So, Jamie Lynn would put on these concerrts consisting entirely of Britneys songs. Jamie Lynn got another earful from Britney because Jamie Lynn has paid for all her flights over 13 years to Britneys bank account. For someone supposedly scattered and un focused, Britney has managed to get a co-conservator to resign , her former lawyer resigned and she picked a new lawyer , not on her own(which is good because noone wants to make such a huge decision w/o counsel) but with the help of a lawyer deemed neutral. She's accomplished more in the last month than the conservatorship and her former lsawyer did in the last 13 years. Now, Britney does have ADHD , but that's the ONLY diagnosis we are privy to-We know Britney was twice held against her will under a 50/51. But, that's common. It isn't a red flag per se. She voluntarily began seeing a psychiatrist as well as a theraoist, voluntarily ebtered and completed treatment for substance abuse. So, , itr remains a total mystery as to why the initial conservatorship ended as it did. The rewason for the conservatorship remains under lock and key. I know thdere is some odd behavior by thde initial judge.I'll need to dig that up. What do you think about how it's going for her so far? It's scary to know she mzay have to battle her father FOR YEARS to even get a shot at overturning the conservatorship. So many people are stuck in these things, who shouldn;'t be. Especially those who have disabilities of some sort and those wsith a mental illness. THe stories about people with these diagnosies speaking for themselves in court,, but bdeing disregarded by the system neither trusts or believes these people, should scare everyone. It's a system that is ableist, discrimatatory and can be used by greedy relatives to lie about a parent, a sibling, a spouse, a grown child in orcer to access their assets. Because thdey ill be believed by the courts. ZSo will a doctor. Because their word is holy. Meanwhile the target, the person with the disabilty , the mental illness is waved away as incompetant baed on ableist viewpoints that are discrmiatory, baseless and insulting to the individual in the court fighting for their basic rights, their civil rights, for the freedom to live as they are without their symptoms being considered an example of incopetancy.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 18, 2021 18:23:46 GMT
I want to apologize to everyone here for all the typos in my posts. For some reason my spellcheck won't work on these boards. I'm a horrible typist!
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Post by Kao on Jul 19, 2021 14:51:38 GMT
You're fine, redsoxgirl . It happens sometimes, especially with longer posts. Jaime Lynn doesn't know when to stop, posting pictures of herself in a red dress while saying extremely passive-aggressive things directed at Britney on Instagram today. She is truly the younger version of older people who hide behind their religion to chastise others: "May the peace of the Lord be with you and your spirit".Britney obviously saw this mess because she then posted a video of her dancing on her own Instagram with this to say: May the Lord wrap your mean ass up in joy today .... PS RED 🌹🌹🌹 !!!!! Pssss … this is Bad Guy part 2 … same song new dance 💃 … if you don’t like it ... don’t watch it 🍒🍒🍒 !!!!!" Also, Sarah Jessica Parker liked her post LOL Apparently Jaime Lynn got the point because she changed her post to emojis. I hope Britney gets her freedom and has nothing to do with any of these people ever again.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jul 19, 2021 16:15:43 GMT
Lmao! That was funny on Brit's part.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 19, 2021 19:51:25 GMT
Humor is ond of the most effective coping tools.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jul 20, 2021 0:29:03 GMT
I'd no idea Jamie Lynn had performed using her songs. Yikes!
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Post by Kao on Jul 27, 2021 14:16:06 GMT
Well, Britney's new lawyer filed Monday to remove Jaime Spears from the conservatorship completely. In addition to that, her lawyer also hired a forensic CPA to track down where her money has gone because they suspect abuse; apparently after the conservatorship business is over Britney's also preparing to sue Jaime and other members of her family for stealing from her (note: this is for other money that has "disappeared" over the years from her trusts that have nothing to do with the payments Jamie is legally entitled to as the head conservator person). Considering how they discovered Jaime Sr. bought Jaime Lynn a 1.1 million dollar vacation condo in Florida a few years ago with Britney's money so far (and without her permission) I think there's more dirt where that comes from.
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Post by Critical on Jul 28, 2021 7:03:24 GMT
Bob Odenkirk collapsed on the set of Better Call Saul and was rushed to the hospital. There haven't been any updates in hours and there's no information about what actually happened. Really scary. They film in NM, so maybe it was a case of heart stroke. I hope he's okay
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 28, 2021 11:14:10 GMT
Me too. I love him.
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Post by Kao on Jul 28, 2021 13:50:16 GMT
It's morning and still no new news re: Bob. He's one of those actors that brightens up everything he is in, I hope he'll be okay.
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Post by Critical on Jul 28, 2021 19:29:48 GMT
Hearing no news about Bob Odenkirk is really upsetting. It reminds me of how there was no news about Luke Perry and Miranda Richardson:(
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Post by Kao on Jul 28, 2021 19:41:39 GMT
Bryan from Breaking Bad posted for everyone to please send positive thoughts and prayers but the way the post is written is like he knows what is wrong, but isn't at liberty to say. I'm trying to be hopeful but this looks like it could go either way.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jul 28, 2021 19:50:33 GMT
Bryan from Breaking Bad posted for everyone to please send positive thoughts and prayers but the way the post is written is like he knows what is wrong, but isn't at liberty to say. I'm trying to be hopeful but this looks like it could go either way. I keep waiting for an update. I pray he is okay.
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Post by Kao on Jul 28, 2021 23:07:34 GMT
Update, everyone:
Bob's son just posted on Twitter. He's gonna be okay!
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Post by Critical on Jul 29, 2021 0:01:18 GMT
I just now saw the news - I've been googling obsessively. What a relief! I was so worried the next news would be that he had passed from a stroke and the delay was because they were waiting for his family to get to NM. Hopefully, he can be back to normal and feeling good soon. I think he'll touched by how many people have expressed their love for him over the last day ETA: Based on the TMZ article ( link), it sounds like things were pretty touch and go yesterday, which is probably why no statement was released about his condition. I hope he's truly on the mend now. One thing that's in his favor is that he recently got into really good physical shape to film Nobody.
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Post by Kao on Aug 1, 2021 18:29:10 GMT
You know, when Alex showed up in Florida after JLo and Ben got together I just thought it was a coincidence but between that, buying a house in the Hamptons a block away from JLo, partying with Ben's ex-girfriend, showing up in St. Tropez to eat at the same restaurants and circling JLo's yacht while jetskiing there he is straight up stalking this woman. I can't imagine vacationing with a guy who is using the trip to stalk their ex: pagesix.com/2021/07/28/alex-rodriguez-melanie-collins-visit-shops-after-jennifer-lopezDaily Mail has the reports of him jetskiing next to her yacht. It's always the men who cheat and treat their SOs like garbage that snap after the SO has had enough and dumps them that stalk their exes. Go away dude, you've had your chance with her and you ruined it. Leave her and Ben alone.
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Post by Critical on Aug 3, 2021 23:39:04 GMT
John Corbett just announced on The Talk that, after nearly twenty years together, he and Bo Derek got married last December. I've always liked him and like them together. The story of how they got together is really sweet too. John was single and needed a date to an Oscar party. A friend of his who's an agent gave him a list of 20 different famous actresses and John circled only one name: Bo. They met and that was that.
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Post by Kao on Aug 7, 2021 16:46:13 GMT
That awful dog Jaime Spears is at it again, filing court documents saying that the other conservator Jodi Montgomery called him recently to say that Britney is mentally ill now and needs to be under a 5150. Montgomery says that while she has some concerns about Britney, having Jaime in her life is actually making her mental health worse and asked that he step down again. She denied asking for a 5150 and went on record saying so. I mean, what are you going to 5150 this woman for? Dancing on her Instagram? Letting her hypocritical sister have it publicly? Or perhaps getting another legitimate lawyer that she chose to check into seeing where her money is going and to release her from her father? Seriously though; what kind of greed and selfishness? "My daughter isn't being compliant so I know! Let's get her 5150ed again and this whole pesky "get rid of me as conservator" can just go away!" Absolutely vile.
edit: These papers from Jaime was filed 2 days after Britney's new lawyer filed in court that Jaime be removed immediately because of abuse. It's obvious what is happening here.
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Post by AZChristian on Aug 7, 2021 17:55:36 GMT
What's really sad is wondering whether her family would be so involved in her "care" if her name was Britney Smith and she had no money.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 8, 2021 2:09:57 GMT
What's really sad is wondering whether her family would be so involved in her "care" if her name was Britney Smith and she had no money. Personally, I think if they were only in it for her fame and money, they’d be out there defending their reputations instead of letting everything be said about them. That they’re not suggests to me they truly have her best interest at heart.
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Post by Kao on Aug 8, 2021 6:08:20 GMT
What's really sad is wondering whether her family would be so involved in her "care" if her name was Britney Smith and she had no money. Personally, I think if they were only in it for her fame and money, they’d be out there defending their reputations instead of letting everything be said about them. That they’re not suggests to me they truly have her best interest at heart. Actually, Jaime Lynn was doing exactly that in the most sanctimonious way possible on Instagram which is why Britney went off on her on her own social media. Lynn and her brother have also said some things. I think the only reason why Jaime Sr hasn't spoken up is because he doesn't have social media.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 8, 2021 11:43:52 GMT
He’s the main focus, and I’m pretty sure he could figure out how to get social media and followers if he wanted to
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Post by sweetmermaid1 on Aug 8, 2021 13:53:30 GMT
He’s the main focus, and I’m pretty sure he could figure out how to get social media and followers if he wanted to I'm curious as to why you think Brits dad is a good guy.
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