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Post by Cuddles on Sept 30, 2021 12:27:39 GMT
She’s still under a conservator for now though - just not her father. Which allows her to get away from being exploited and abused. And that's what was so exciting about yesterday. Britney's popularity as a pop star won't be her greatest legacy. The #FreeBritney Movement brought to the floor new legislation - the introduction of a bill named the FREE Act, giving people in guardianships the right to petition the court to change their guardians from private to public.
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 30, 2021 12:55:59 GMT
Judge throws out conservatorship effective immediately. No appeals permitted. And that passion that you speak of is why! Far from a mess! Today is a good day!!! This bolded part makes no sense to me. The judge made this decision based on the facts of the case not the public's passion. I'm happy for Britney, and I hope things will go well for her moving forward. All I can think of when I see this is "The law is reason, free from passion." I would seriously have to rethink a judges position on the bench if they allowed some fan-based public sentiment movement to sway their opinion over the facts of any particular case. I have never been a fan of Brittany or her music but I feel a lot of what she was ridiculed in the media for was directly related to her family's direction and control over her and her career. When I heard about the conservatorship and her dad's position in it it was like a fox in the henhouse to me. And the IUD BS, I was livid after reading her testimony about that.
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Post by Cuddles on Sept 30, 2021 16:10:12 GMT
I feel like others are missing my point. Going back to redsoxgirl's prior comments, there are cases such as Britney's that will never see the light of day. All of the hype that surrounded Brit's case and the documentaries that came out were essential in pushing this further into the court system and that's how she got new representation and that's why she's now free of her father's abuse, and furthermore, that's why there's hope for new legislation.
I'm not sure why the hangup on my comment. That's what movements do, they move things forward by promoting change/reform.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 30, 2021 16:22:09 GMT
I feel like others are missing my point. Going back to redsoxgirl's prior comments, there are cases such as Britney's that will never see the light of day. All of the hype that surrounded Brit's case and the documentaries that came out were essential in pushing this further into the court system and that's how she got new representation and that's why she's now free of her father's abuse, and furthermore, that's why there's hope for new legislation. I'm not sure why the hangup on my comment. That's what movements do, they move things forward by promoting change/reform. We'll never know whether this is true or not, will we? There is no alternate universe where the legal briefs are filed without the Free Britney movement happening. If the case was judged on legal grounds and not political pressure, it stands to reason the entire thing would have happened as it did even without the movement.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Oct 1, 2021 18:20:23 GMT
fansofrealitytv.freeforums.net/thread/36/miscellaneous-celebrity-news?page=78Britney’s conservatorship is one example of how the legacy of eugenics in the US continues to affect the lives of disabled women Spears’ anguish over the loss of her reproductive agency was palpable. And her story is one shared by disabled women across the country who are denied the right to make decisions about their sexual and reproductive health.Ensuring the reproductive rights of disabled women is a professional and personal issue for me. I am a public health researcher at the University of Iowa studying the social factors that influence accessibility for disabled people. I am also a disabled woman who has faced tough decisions about my own sexual and reproductive health.he United States has a history of forced sterilization policies that targeted disabled people, women of color, and those living in poverty. These policies arose from the 1927 Supreme Court case Buck v. Bell, which permitted the sterilization of Carrie Bell, a young woman deemed “feebleminded” by her adoptive family and, eventually, the Supreme Court. Buck v. Bell became a bellwether of the eugenics movement, which sought to eliminate “negative traits” through selective breeding. The ruling opened the door for an estimated 60,000 to 70,000 forced sterilizations in the U.S. in the 20th century. Buck v. Bell and the U.S. eugenics movement has affected both state disability policies and reproductive health services. Today, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recognizes that disability is not a reason for sterilization, and that people should be able to make decisions about their own health as much as possible. However, this is only an ethics guideline for medical professionals, not enforced by robust public policy. Stigma, stereotypes and reproductive agency Stigma refers to the discrimination and exclusion that individuals or groups face when certain characteristics are labeled as undesirable. Disabled people often experience stigma because their bodies fall outside of what is considered “normal” by society. One way that stigma takes shape against disabled women is that they are often stereotyped as uninterested, asexual or incapable of consent. These stereotypes prevent honest conversations with health care providers, sex education teachers and others about access to reproductive care and contraception. Disabled women also report barriers to accessing family planning counseling because of these assumptions. Paternalism, or when an authority figure limits an individual’s or group’s freedom in what they perceive to be their best interests, also affects the sexual autonomy of disabled people. One way it manifests is through consent determination, a legal strategy that attempts to gauge whether a disabled person is capable of consenting to a sexual relationship. While it is supposed to protect disabled people from sexual abuse, prevention of sexual activity does not necessarily equate to protection. Disabled people are still at an increased risk of experiencing sexual abuse and violence regardless of their consent determination status. Interviews with women with mild intellectual disability have revealed that they felt unable to report sexual abuse and that they lacked both social support and the ability to protect themselves.Spears’ conservatorship centered around the stereotype that disabled people are unable to manage their own lives. However, she had produced four albums and gone on several world tours in this 13-year period. That she was still not allowed to act on her desire to have children is a testament to the enduring stigma around disability and especially mental illness.Recognizing the reproductive rights of disabled women is about promoting reproductive justice for all women. This includes ending what one research subject called the “roaring silence” around sterilization, supporting evidence-based sex education, and fighting disability health stereotypes. The disability rights slogan “Nothing About Us Without Us” conveys that disabled people know what is best for them and should not be excluded from conversations about their own health. And this includes reproductive rights. Michaela Kathleen Curran is affiliated with the Center for Disabilities and Development at the University of Iowa. She has received internal funding for her research from this organization. ETA: Sometime after the courts ruled against Bell in 1927 it was discovered Bell was not feeble-minded. But, she was not allowed to speak to that in court during the initial hearing. That is something which still occurs today.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Oct 1, 2021 18:26:10 GMT
The next hearing is scheduled for Nov.12.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Oct 1, 2021 18:28:29 GMT
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Post by Critical on Oct 1, 2021 19:38:53 GMT
Now he can go play cowboy with his own money and not on a ranch his wife owns (per the article, her name only is on the deed) and that costs $81K/month to maintain.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Oct 1, 2021 21:01:32 GMT
Now he can go play cowboy with his own money and not on a ranch his wife owns (per the article, her name only is on the deed) and that costs $81K/month to maintain.
The title is hilarious, though! Appropriate, but super hularious,.
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Post by momrek06 on Oct 22, 2021 4:33:45 GMT
Sadly it appears Alec Baldwin killed a photographer and shot a producer while
filming on the set of “RUST”. 😨😨😨
Total accident as he was given a prop gun that had real bullets in it.
I am certain AB is devastated as is the families of the deceased and all those on the set of “RUST”.
How absolutely tragic.
😰😰😰😰😰
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Post by MissGriss on Oct 22, 2021 5:03:38 GMT
OMG! How sad!
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Post by momrek06 on Oct 22, 2021 5:40:57 GMT
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Post by Critical on Oct 22, 2021 6:50:41 GMT
I can't imagine how Alec Baldwin must feel. It's gutting. It was the cinematographer who died. The director was also injured and I think is still in the hospital. Reminds me of when Jon-Erik Hexum died on set back in 1984. He jokingly "shot" himself in the head with a prop gun loaded with blanks
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Post by momrek06 on Oct 22, 2021 15:38:38 GMT
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 22, 2021 18:51:53 GMT
It's so sad. Oh my gosh, momrek06 , seeing Alec in that link you provided just bent over. He must be so distraught. What a heartbreaking situation for everyone involved.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 22, 2021 19:20:27 GMT
But you never point a gun, real or fake at someone, never. It's a number one rule. Someone wasn't keeping an eye out. What a terrible terrible ( but unnecessary) accident..
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Post by MissGriss on Oct 22, 2021 19:30:56 GMT
But you never point a gun, real or fake at someone, never. It's a number one rule. Someone wasn't keeping an eye out. What a terrible terrible ( but unnecessary) accident.. Yeah. Safe gun handling practices clearly weren't being followed. I think most people don't realize how dangerous prop guns can be. Such a devastating thing for everyone involved, and I hope it will lead to safer practices in the future.
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Post by Arielflies on Oct 22, 2021 20:01:13 GMT
I'm wondering, though, was there a live round inserted in the gun either intentionally or as a joke. I'm sure the type of projectile is being investigated by the police.
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Post by ccl on Oct 22, 2021 20:21:20 GMT
I don’t know why they have to have loaded guns (even with just blanks) on sets anyways. Can’t they add the bullet sounds and visuals in post production? It’s too dangerous, as this and previous cases show.
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Post by Amy Lee on Oct 22, 2021 20:51:29 GMT
I'm wondering, though, was there a live round inserted in the gun either intentionally or as a joke. I'm sure the type of projectile is being investigated by the police. I imagine it was intentional. The one person that would know would be the person in charge of any weapons on that set, but they're probably not going to speak publicly. This is such a tragedy and my heart goes out to all involved. I wish People magazine hadn't published the picture of Alec immediately after. It's a really messed up and gross thing to do.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 22, 2021 20:56:33 GMT
I'm wondering, though, was there a live round inserted in the gun either intentionally or as a joke. I'm sure the type of projectile is being investigated by the police. It was a prop gun, but they can be dangerous..
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Post by dagwood on Oct 22, 2021 21:16:08 GMT
So awful. I do not like him but feel so bad for him. This is going to hang over his head for the rest of his life.
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Post by FireWoman on Oct 23, 2021 3:51:17 GMT
Sadly it appears Alec Baldwin killed a photographer and shot a producer while filming on the set of “RUST”. 😨😨😨 Total accident as he was given a prop gun that had real bullets in it.I am certain AB is devastated as is the families of the deceased and all those on the set of “RUST”. How absolutely tragic. 😰😰😰😰😰 The gun was 'live' but not necessarily with 'real' ammo, per se. What many do not realize is that guns are used as props on sets.. not a 'prop' gun, as in a fake gun and that anything loaded into it is real ammo. The AD told Baldwin that the gun was 'cold' meaning that is was NOT loaded at all. All guns on sets are loaded with something, a blank is still loaded into a gun, the bullet is missing but there are still things needed to make the sound, flash, and make it look and sound real (the flash and pop). They are not harmless, and as seen can still cause serious injury or death.
There are a lot of questions I have on this whole thing, I do not place blame on Baldwin at all but I do place a great deal of blame on the people responsible for set safety and the armorer. If it was me and some hands me a gun and tells me it is 'cold' I STILL CHECK it. IMO, all sets should have someone to train anyone involved with the production, and most especially anyone who will handle any firearm, on the proper handling of them. This is a awful, tragic, and horrific result of that. My heart goes out to all involved and all impacted by this, it never should have happened and there were many involved with this production that walked off this week because of safety concerns, makes me wonder what else happened beyond this and the other 2 accidental discharges of a weapon on set.
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Post by Critical on Oct 24, 2021 3:57:52 GMT
While it's the armorer or weapons master who's in charge of guns on set, I've read several stories indicating that it was the assistant director who handed the gun to Alec Baldwin saying, "cold gun," so there are likely multiple people to blame in this scenario. I know that the armorer on the film is a fairly young woman who doesn't have a lot of credits under her belt. Whatever happened, it sounds like that set was an absolute mess and an accident waiting to happen.
I've seen some pretty nasty comments online - and not just from right-wing politicians, some of whom have made some really horrid comments - attacking Alec Baldwin because they think he's a jerk OR because of his politics. Unfortunately, because AB is a producer on the film, he might end up with some of the blame, legally, but this is not his fault. I've said many times that I'm sure AB is an absolute SOB, but I still enjoy his work and I can separate the two things. The fact that there are people who take some sort of sick pleasure in this situation is sickening.
This is getting really bad. I only hope that maybe this will lead to stricter oversight in the industry....although a bunch of people said the same thing after Brandon Lee died
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 24, 2021 5:05:29 GMT
I'm no fan of the Baldwins, but it was a horrible thing to happen. HBO are filming here, and were surprised, because several people, including a propmaster should check the gun. (Including the last to handle it.)Perhaps,someone was lax on this set,
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Post by redsoxgirl on Nov 5, 2021 2:56:31 GMT
Updated November 3 at 10:19 a.m.: Britney Spears’s mother, Lynne, is requesting that over $600,000 of her own legal fees come “out of the conservatorship estate or assets on hand,” in a court petition filed Monday. “Page Six” reports that while Lynne never had a formal role in the conservatorship case, her attorneys want Britney to pay for their services as Lynne is an interested party who told the court details about her daughter’s restrictive conservatorship. Lynne’s attorneys filed this request one day before Britney posted, and then deleted, a caption about how Lynne is the one who gave Jamie the idea of establishing a conservatorship. Britney Spears’s conservatorship may be over sooner than planned. After Britney’s father Jamie Spears was suspended as the conservator in Sept. 2021, Britney’s attorney Mathew Rosengart believed the conservatorship would be terminated next week on Nov. 12, the date of her next hearing. However, Britney’s father filed court documents saying he supports Britney’s desire to immediately terminate the conservatorship. The papers were filed Nov. 1 in Los Angeles Superior court. “Jamie unconditionally loves and supports his daughter,” states the court papers.” Full stop. As he has done for her entire life, Jamie will do everything he can to protect and care for her. For the last 13 years, that included serving as her Conservator. Now, it means ending her Conservatorship. So it is said in no uncertain terms, Jamie believes that the Conservatorship should end, immediately. Jamie will not seek to continue to serve as Conservator.” The papers state that “Jamie has always and will always have Britney’s best interests at heart.” He also says that he supports a “full and transparent examination of the conservatorship and has every confidence that said review will put to rest the outlandish, scurrilous and irresponsible speculation that has accompanied the media circus surrounding these proceedings.” He also stands by his belief that 13 years ago Britney’s life was in “shambles” and that the conservatorship was necessary.” “The mission has been successful and it is now time for Britney to re-take control of her life,” state Jamie’s court papers. “Not tomorrow or next week, now.” Britney herself took to social media tonight to address her future freedom. In a now-deleted Instagram post, Britney accused her mother Lynne Spears and Lou Taylor, her former business manager, of giving Jamie the idea to begin a conservatorship. Britney added her accusation onto an existing caption to criticize her father, “Pssss my dad may have started the conservatorship 13 years ago… but what people don’t know is is that my mom is the one who gave him the idea !!!!” She also claimed her father “is not smart enough to ever think of a conservatorship” and called out her mother and Lou Taylor by name for allegedly setting up the conservatorship. Vulture has reached out to Britney Spears’ attorney and Lynne Spears’ attorney for comment. www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/jamie-spears-files-to-immediately-terminate-conservatorship/ar-AAQfwm5?ocid=msedg
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Post by dagwood on Nov 5, 2021 14:34:24 GMT
Pay my bills because I am an interested party? Um, no. Pay your own damn bills. Quit seeing your child as a cash cow.
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Post by JustJuls on Nov 12, 2021 23:07:33 GMT
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Post by dagwood on Nov 13, 2021 0:07:27 GMT
Yay for Brittany!
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Post by AZChristian on Nov 13, 2021 15:57:51 GMT
Paris Hilton got married this past week. I thought her wedding dress was amazing, and the THREE reception dresses were very pretty as well.
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