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Post by betty80 on Aug 9, 2018 2:01:23 GMT
I don't like it when they pull out those long lists of names. I prefer a more heartfelt speech. I know they don't want to forget anyone, but they could make a list on social media.
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Post by Kao on Aug 9, 2018 2:18:14 GMT
I don't like either of them, but it shouldn't matter that she is rich; he needs to pay child support, period. He's the father of those children, and taking care of your children financially is what you're supposed to do, unless you're a POS. What, he should get off scot-free just because she has money as well? It seems like they had an agreement about money that she then decided smartly to have an arrangement made through the courts instead to make sure the children would be provided for from both parents. Why she didn't do that in the beginning, I don't know. And for once she didn't leak this; TMZ got a hold of the court papers and ran with it.
Brad's PR has been busy as well; one of the rags this week has a report on how she's angry at everyone and how Brad is getting custody of the children. Both of them need to stop this.
As for the new Oscar categories, it's ridiculously obvious that Disney pushed for this.
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Post by Critical on Aug 9, 2018 2:59:30 GMT
My point is that he has been paying child support. She's just working to make it seem like he isn't. It's not really about the money; she's trying to paint herself as the victim again. NO, she doesn't need it and yes, he does still need to pay, but it sounds like he has been and his attorneys can prove it.
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Post by MissScarlet on Aug 9, 2018 3:01:50 GMT
I think the Popular Movie category is awful. The Oscars are supposed to be about quality, not a bunch of spoiled teeny boppers loading the theater & purchasing movie related junk. We don't need another category for dreck that panders to the lowest denominator & just makes money. I say keep some semblance of quality and artistry. Let the other stuff be satisfied with their money & sequels, but keep the awards for stuff that deserves acclaim.
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Post by MissGriss on Aug 9, 2018 4:07:00 GMT
I think Angie's more interested in sticking it to Brad. She clearly doesn't NEED the money. She's just waging a PR war and creating the (IMO, false) narrative that he's an abusive, neglectful father who won't pay child support because it helps her to paint herself as a loving and completely innocent mother. I actually watch the entire Oscars ceremony. I love it. I do mute if a winner gets a little too long-winded or if they pull out a speech. I hate those laundry lists of people they just read from. Say something heartfelt and in-the-moment and thank the phone book later. If they're going to give awards away during commercials, they need to offer it commercial free (and hopefully free to watch - I'm not paying for it) on another channel. Sort of like how you can watch coverage of political events on CNN or another cable news platform OR you can watch the whole thing, unedited on CSPAN. Bummer for any award winners whose family and friends tune in to watch them win an Oscar, only to find out that, while they did win, they were given the award during a commercial break They would likely show the award split screen, so you can see (but not hear?) the action. They've apparently been doing that this season on American Ninja Warrior, but I don't watch live, so I've missed it. As for Brad, yes. He grew up in a good Mid-Western family. I worked with a guy whose sister-in-law had gone to prom (or something) with him, and he was supposedly a nice guy. I had another friend who met him around the time when Thelma and Louise was filming, and she thought he was dumb as dirt, but I'm guessing he was stoned at the time.
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Post by Critical on Aug 9, 2018 6:26:10 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 9, 2018 10:48:33 GMT
I think the Popular Movie category is awful. The Oscars are supposed to be about quality, not a bunch of spoiled teeny boppers loading the theater & purchasing movie related junk. We don't need another category for dreck that panders to the lowest denominator & just makes money. I say keep some semblance of quality and artistry. Let the other stuff be satisfied with their money & sequels, but keep the awards for stuff that deserves acclaim. Well said, MissScarlet!!! Well said!! And I think that the key words you said, are "SUPPOSED TO BE." Yes, theoretically, the Oscars (and Emmys, etc.) are supposed to be about quality and artistry, but I think that it's pretty common knowledge that most (if not all) of the top categories are NOT --- instead, they're more about entertainment industry power, money, and public relations. So, to me those award categories are just as much a farce as this new 'popular' film category. It's come to the point that I only watch these award shows to see the stars, and to root for my favorites when, on occasion, a few happen to be nominated for something. And I mainly watch the music award shows and the Tonys to see the performances (which are usually fabulous).
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Post by acookertv on Aug 9, 2018 12:36:29 GMT
I think the Popular Movie category is awful. The Oscars are supposed to be about quality, not a bunch of spoiled teeny boppers loading the theater & purchasing movie related junk. We don't need another category for dreck that panders to the lowest denominator & just makes money. I say keep some semblance of quality and artistry. Let the other stuff be satisfied with their money & sequels, but keep the awards for stuff that deserves acclaim. I'm holding back to see how they end up judging that category. There are some movies that are made to draw a big audience and have fantastic quality as well. I'd throw out Logan as an example. Or Black Panther. Those are movies that are overlooked for the most part in a field that has other films like The Shape of Water or Three Billboards, but are worthy of recognition. If this category will give recognition to films like that, it could be interesting, and draw more interest from the people who are cineplex movie fans instead of arthouse cinema fans. On the other hand, if they recognize the blockbusters that draw the most people regardless of quality to make the Oscars more like the MTV Movie Awards or Peoples Choice Awards, I think they'll end up regretting it.
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Post by libgirl2 on Aug 9, 2018 14:05:49 GMT
I think Angie's more interested in sticking it to Brad. She clearly doesn't NEED the money. She's just waging a PR war and creating the (IMO, false) narrative that he's an abusive, neglectful father who won't pay child support because it helps her to paint herself as a loving and completely innocent mother. I actually watch the entire Oscars ceremony. I love it. I do mute if a winner gets a little too long-winded or if they pull out a speech. I hate those laundry lists of people they just read from. Say something heartfelt and in-the-moment and thank the phone book later. If they're going to give awards away during commercials, they need to offer it commercial free (and hopefully free to watch - I'm not paying for it) on another channel. Sort of like how you can watch coverage of political events on CNN or another cable news platform OR you can watch the whole thing, unedited on CSPAN. Bummer for any award winners whose family and friends tune in to watch them win an Oscar, only to find out that, while they did win, they were given the award during a commercial break I watch the entire thing too. If it gets too boring or I'm not that interested in an award, I always have a good book I can read or I can switch channels for a few minutes. And I think your idea is great, let those of us who want to see the whole thing be able to see it. I have always thought part of the fun of the Oscars is how long it goes!
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Post by lonnie on Aug 9, 2018 15:48:56 GMT
Does this mean that a transformers movie might get an oscar?
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Post by betty80 on Aug 9, 2018 16:42:32 GMT
The Oscars’ new ‘popular film’ award proves it’s out-of-touch and elitist"By creating some kind of popular consolation prize, the Academy is trying to seem more hip and with-it, and probably get more eyeballs for the telecast. Instead, it just reveals how elitist, condescending and out-of-touch they really are. Here’s an idea: If there’s a big movie that’s popular and also really good, just give it the damn award!"
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Post by ibot2much on Aug 9, 2018 17:19:35 GMT
Or any of the Adam Sandler movies......
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 9, 2018 17:29:51 GMT
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Post by Jamie5632 on Aug 9, 2018 18:59:12 GMT
I think it's very condescending to say "here's the Best Picture that we picked" and "here's the one the little people liked".
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Post by redsoxgirl on Aug 9, 2018 23:54:32 GMT
Hey Oscars, I know how you might attract a wider audience! How about casting a wide variety of people in your damn movies? This is a true story: An Asian guy can be a awesome romantic lead. A women who happens to be in a wheelchair can be a charismatic, intelligent, gorgeous lead. A small person can play a detective-yup with his size not being a punchline or even an issue. Blind actors can play blind characters instead of seeing actors pretending to be blind. Someone with a mental illness can play a lawyer or a superhero instead of being erroneously depicted as a axe murderer. You could hire Mexican Americans, Indian Americans, Native Americans...Women as producers and directors. Overweight people for normal roles. Because the audience wants to see itself up there on the silver screen. And your audience is dwindling precisely because not everyone in the audience is a white able bodied man or woman with perfect Arian looks looks. There is all kinds of beautiful out there.
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Post by Critical on Aug 10, 2018 0:50:31 GMT
I think there's so much focus on profits that they don't care as much about creating art. If Kevin Hart - a short black man - brings in money (which he does), they'll cast him in any pile of crap movie they can and capitalize on his popularity. Same thing they did with Jim Carrey back in the day. Ultimately though, people generally want to look at pretty people. It's just the way it is and how our brains work. I like British TV series because not everyone looks like a Ford model, but they're also pretty much all above average in the looks department. Just speaking for myself, but I actually don't care if I see myself on screen. I just want to be told a good story. I'd love more racial inclusivity and more women in power roles, but I don't care about seeing people like me on screen I can identify with all sorts of characters who are, at least from the outside, nothing like me. IMO, that's the power of great storytelling. As much as I agree that inclusivity matters, I also want better movies. I think it's possible to have both. There's so much crap being put out right now and very little that's smart and doesn't pander. I actually like a lot of super hero movies, but that doesn't mean I don't long for the great movies of the 70s and 80s (and earlier, obviously) when movies could be smart/funny/dramatic/etc. AND make money. Historically, so many of the movies that won Oscars were also huge box office draws. I hope the backlash about this new Oscar causes them to change their minds. There are other awards shows to reward "popular" movies: The Oscars should be about quality. I mean, Perfect Strangers was on the air for years, presumably because it got good ratings, but there's a reason it never won an Emmy.
This is a good list - the top grossing movies of all time, adjusting for inflation. Take a look and see how many of these movies were also critically acclaimed.
IMO, if something like Doctor Zhivago was released today, it would be in maybe a few thousand art house theaters for a limited run. It would still get Oscar nominations, but people would be complaining about and asking if anyone had actually seen it.
I just now realized we're in the Celebrity Gossip thread. Maybe we should take this to its own thread in the Movies forum if we want to keep discussing it?
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Post by MFWalkoff on Aug 10, 2018 5:48:35 GMT
I think it's very condescending to say "here's the Best Picture that we picked" and "here's the one the little people liked". They must have been trying to copy Cannes and Sundance -- they have both a Jury Award and an Audience Award. The trouble is that the Oscars aren't a festival with a jury -- the awards are voted on by thousands of industry people. Plus, they awkwardly announced it before they have even decided what to call it or how to run it -- what was the hurry? It won't even start till 2020.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 10, 2018 12:21:56 GMT
I just now realized we're in the Celebrity Gossip thread. Maybe we should take this to its own thread in the Movies forum if we want to keep discussing it?
Just a thought. . . We've already got a thread called The Golden Age of Hollywood which (unfortunately) hasn't been taken advantage of, so far. So why not combine that thread with your 'Movies' thread idea and call it something like The Entertainment Biz, Past and Present. (Not the greatest name for a thread, but you could surely come up with something much better.)
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Post by Amy Lee on Aug 21, 2018 3:02:46 GMT
Ben Affleck & Lindsay Shookus 'split'
Honestly, I never liked the way they rubbed it in Jenn's face, so I don't feel bad for Lindsay or Ben. Ben is scum and Lindsay doesn't come off looking good.
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Post by ibot2much on Aug 21, 2018 13:22:57 GMT
Saw that Kelly Ripa and Mark C's oldest son will play his father's character in flashbacks in RIVERDALE. I was always amazed at how much he looked like Mark.
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Post by Kao on Aug 21, 2018 13:52:47 GMT
Ben Affleck & Lindsay Shookus 'split'
Honestly, I never liked the way they rubbed it in Jenn's face, so I don't feel bad for Lindsay or Ben. Ben is scum and Lindsay doesn't come off looking good. I never liked them. He would be in pictures looking like a bloated alcoholic mess and she would either be smirking or grinning like she was proud to be with him in the open after sneaking around for so long. They're both gross. Apparently he cheated on her with a 22 year old Playboy model? Keep being predictable, Ben. /eyeroll
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Post by Amy Lee on Aug 21, 2018 13:54:28 GMT
Ben Affleck & Lindsay Shookus 'split'
Honestly, I never liked the way they rubbed it in Jenn's face, so I don't feel bad for Lindsay or Ben. Ben is scum and Lindsay doesn't come off looking good. I never liked them. He would be in pictures looking like a bloated alcoholic mess and would either be smirking or grinning like she was proud to be with him in the open after sneaking around for so long. They're both gross. Apparently he cheated on her with a 22 year old Playboy model? Keep being predictable, Ben. /eyeroll He looks ridiculous running around with that 22 year old. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 21, 2018 14:22:44 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 21, 2018 15:21:13 GMT
I agree about Ben being a screw-up in his personal life. Soooo sad for his family. As far as films though, he's written, acted in, and/or produced some of my favorites, like, for example, Argo, Gone Girl, Shakespeare in Love, Good Will Hunting, and others. This is one of those times that I'm willing to separate the 'jerk' from his 'work.'
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Post by acookertv on Aug 21, 2018 15:28:34 GMT
I may be wrong, but I would venture to guess that there are more people in Hollywood who behave like Ben than there are those who don't. It's an industry where a stars face and persona are a product being sold. That's going to feed an ego in unhealthy ways, and I think with a lot of people it's going to lead to self-indulgent "me first" behavior. In most cases, they have really good PR people who will control what is shown to the public and what is reported to the public. For whatever reason, Ben doesn't have that right now. So we're getting to see his true self - kind of like how we saw Tom Cruise's true self during his "Matt you're being glib" / couch jumping phase.
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Post by MissScarlet on Aug 21, 2018 19:26:36 GMT
For all intents & purposes, Ben has been single for a couple of years now. Sure, his divorce isn't final yet, but he's been separated for a number of years. There's nothing wrong with him seeing new women. Even if it's one right after another. He wasn't married to or even living with Lindsay. She liked to flaunt her relationship with him, so I guess what goes around comes around.
Still, my opinion of him isn't very high, aside from his women issues. As Imperfect1 said though he does make good movies.
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Post by lonnie on Aug 21, 2018 20:21:55 GMT
I had a tough time sitting through Batman vs Superman. I don't even know what that was. lol
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Post by JoRyMom on Aug 21, 2018 21:12:30 GMT
I had a tough time sitting through Batman vs Superman. I don't even know what that was. lol I agree he’s done some great movies, but he’s a horrible Batman. 😂
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Post by Amy Lee on Aug 21, 2018 21:48:16 GMT
I had a tough time sitting through Batman vs Superman. I don't even know what that was. lol I agree he’s done some great movies, but he’s a horrible Batman. 😂 I don't recognize or accept him as Batman. He's the worst Bruce Wayne ever. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk
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Post by Kao on Aug 22, 2018 21:04:20 GMT
David Fincher (the director of Gone Girl) has gone on record saying Ben was like a real life Nick Dunne. Make of that what you will.
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