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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 19, 2023 0:52:40 GMT
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Post by waywyrd on Jan 19, 2023 13:30:29 GMT
Oh wow. I hope they find him soon.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jan 19, 2023 16:32:13 GMT
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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 19, 2023 17:51:37 GMT
I'm not sure what kind of sentence that carries. I know it would be something but I don't see the guy doing hard time.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jan 19, 2023 18:46:33 GMT
First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies and special prosecutor Andrea Reeb have announced two involuntary manslaughter charges will be filed against 'Rust' actor and producer Alec Baldwin and the movie's armor Hannah Gutierrez-Reed. In a statement issued by the district attorney, Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed will be "charged in the alternative." That means a jury would decide not if they were just guilty, but under which definition of involuntary manslaughter they were guilty. The first charge of involuntary manslaughter must be proved that there was underlying negligence. New Mexico state laws mark this charge of involuntary manslaughter as a fourth-degree felony with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine. The DA says this charge also includes a misdemeanor charge of negligent use of a firearm and could merge together. www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/how-much-jail-time-could-alec-baldwin-face-for-involuntary-manslaughter/ar-AA16wK6tRelated video: Alec Baldwin Charged with Involuntary Manslaughter (Dailymotion) The second charge is involuntary manslaughter in the commission of an unlawful act. This charge must prove there was more than simple negligence involved in a death. This second charge is also punishable with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine. This particular charge includes a firearm enhancement, which means there's an added penalty that is mandatory because a firearm was involved. The enhancement includes a mandatory five years in jail. The charges will formally be filed in New Mexico's First Judicial District Court by the end of January. Each person charged will be required to make a first appearance in court.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 19, 2023 19:19:28 GMT
First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies and special prosecutor Andrea Reeb have announced two involuntary manslaughter charges will be filed against 'Rust' actor and producer Alec Baldwin and the movie's armor Hannah Gutierrez-Reed. In a statement issued by the district attorney, Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed will be "charged in the alternative." That means a jury would decide not if they were just guilty, but under which definition of involuntary manslaughter they were guilty. The first charge of involuntary manslaughter must be proved that there was underlying negligence. New Mexico state laws mark this charge of involuntary manslaughter as a fourth-degree felony with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine. The DA says this charge also includes a misdemeanor charge of negligent use of a firearm and could merge together. www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/how-much-jail-time-could-alec-baldwin-face-for-involuntary-manslaughter/ar-AA16wK6tRelated video: Alec Baldwin Charged with Involuntary Manslaughter (Dailymotion) The second charge is involuntary manslaughter in the commission of an unlawful act. This charge must prove there was more than simple negligence involved in a death. This second charge is also punishable with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine. This particular charge includes a firearm enhancement, which means there's an added penalty that is mandatory because a firearm was involved. The enhancement includes a mandatory five years in jail. The charges will formally be filed in New Mexico's First Judicial District Court by the end of January. Each person charged will be required to make a first appearance in court. Thanks.
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Post by nennie on Jan 19, 2023 20:09:10 GMT
I would highly doubt he serves time but will have to pay a hefty fine. Might be wrong.
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 28, 2023 15:20:39 GMT
Amy Robach and TJ Holmes have been let go by ABC. So the Bachelor franchise is okay by their standards but watching two consenting adults, both in the process of divorcing their current spouses, find love in real life is not? Hmm.
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Post by amber on Jan 28, 2023 17:01:48 GMT
Actually, they wouldn't qualify to be on The Bachelor. There is a morals clause that disallows partiipants from being married (to other people!).
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 29, 2023 0:32:13 GMT
Actually, they wouldn't qualify to be on The Bachelor. There is a morals clause that disallows partiipants from being married (to other people!). My comment meant that ABC seems perfectly comfortable with airing a reality TV show with consenting adults sleeping with 3 different people 3 nights in a row and/or in "paradise" getting sloshed on a beach while their date from the day before is rolling around on a cabana bed with someone else... but not airing an entertainment news program with consenting adults who are in the process of divorcing and fallen in love?
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Post by beerbelly on Jan 29, 2023 0:55:55 GMT
Agreed Cuddles. Seems pretty old-fashioned to me. I haven't been following the story very closely, but what I have seen is that they seem super happy together. Plus, I have totally fallen for a co-worker before. I get it. (Certainly not as handsome as that gent, however!)
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Post by Kao on Jan 29, 2023 6:12:25 GMT
It's not exactly the love story we've been sold. T.J. had at least one other affair with another coworker that ABC was aware of, so this is looking like a case of someone married who is constantly dipping his pen in the office inkwell. Not a good look. Besides not [censored] where you eat, most places have rules against that sort of thing for a reason. And considering how there's a preteen involved in this mess their constant pap excursions being all loved up is in extremely poor taste.
edit: Her husband is Andrew Shue and by all accounts he (along with TJs wife and daughter) are completed devastated and humiliated by this mess. My sympathies are with them.
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Post by FireWoman on Jan 29, 2023 7:44:29 GMT
Actually, they wouldn't qualify to be on The Bachelor. There is a morals clause that disallows partiipants from being married (to other people!). My comment meant that ABC seems perfectly comfortable with airing a reality TV show with consenting adults sleeping with 3 different people 3 nights in a row and/or in "paradise" getting sloshed on a beach while their date from the day before is rolling around on a cabana bed with someone else... but not airing an entertainment news program with consenting adults who are in the process of divorcing and fallen in love? I thought that the divorcing was due to the fact they both strayed.. not the other way around. Besides, there are normally clauses in the talent's contracts regarding things like this, not to mention the HR nightmare sexual harassment claims that can be made if things don't work out. The Bachelor is, as was said, consenting SINGLE adults with manufactured (for the most part) by producers to air the drama. I am not sure how they are comparable.
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Post by amber on Jan 29, 2023 16:40:10 GMT
It's not exactly the love story we've been sold. T.J. had at least one other affair with another coworker that ABC was aware of, so this is looking like a case of someone married who is constantly dipping his pen in the office inkwell. Not a good look. Besides not [censored] where you eat, most places have rules against that sort of thing for a reason. And considering how there's a preteen involved in this mess their constant pap excursions being all loved up is in extremely poor taste.
edit: Her husband is Andrew Shue and by all accounts he (along with TJs wife and daughter) are completed devastated and humiliated by this mess. My sympathies are with them.
Multiples. He's the office *slut*. Please forgive if you find using that word offensive.
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Post by amber on Jan 29, 2023 17:44:20 GMT
Actually, they wouldn't qualify to be on The Bachelor. There is a morals clause that disallows partiipants from being married (to other people!). My comment meant that ABC seems perfectly comfortable with airing a reality TV show with consenting adults sleeping with 3 different people 3 nights in a row and/or in "paradise" getting sloshed on a beach while their date from the day before is rolling around on a cabana bed with someone else... but not airing an entertainment news program with consenting adults who are in the process of divorcing and fallen in love? ABC canned both talents meaning there were issues beyond the affair taken into consideration. Stealing time? Expense report issues? Coworkers feeling uncomfortable working with them? Other concerns? All the above? I read they separated from their families after learning they would be ousted by a tabloid and attempted to get ahead of the story. Does anyone here believe their love affair will last?
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 29, 2023 18:13:06 GMT
I won’t pass judgment on either one of them. If they were happy in their marriages they wouldn’t have fallen in love. Doesn’t make him a cad or her the s word. ABC already came right out and said that no rules were broken. Their only concern is that the viewers will be uncomfortable. Uncomfortable why? Because viewers decide to be both judge and jury? Well that’s just not right. Amy has been through a health scare - we don’t know Jack. Again, lots of rumors about TJ, I agree, but Amy is a grown woman, this is her call. Some of the rumors have already been proven false, including a rumor about Amy that claimed she had a drinking problem.
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Post by momrek06 on Jan 29, 2023 18:18:21 GMT
My comment meant that ABC seems perfectly comfortable with airing a reality TV show with consenting adults sleeping with 3 different people 3 nights in a row and/or in "paradise" getting sloshed on a beach while their date from the day before is rolling around on a cabana bed with someone else... but not airing an entertainment news program with consenting adults who are in the process of divorcing and fallen in love? ABC canned both talents meaning there were issues beyond the affair taken into consideration. Stealing time? Expense report issues? Coworkers feeling uncomfortable working with them? Other concerns? All the above? I read they separated from their families after learning they would be ousted by a tabloid and attempted to get ahead of the story. Does anyone here believe their love affair will last? First of all I am commenting not knowing this couple at all as I never watched the show they were on. BUT that being said they have been ALL OVER ALL THE CELEBRITY RAG SHEETS DAILY. Now to comment on your question, amber .... NOPE. JMHO. Being fired does that mean they are currently without work and are they getting some kind of settlement from ABC. Did they totally leave NYC and move themselves lock stock and barrel to FLA? NOPE.
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Post by Kao on Jan 29, 2023 20:27:18 GMT
I won’t pass judgment on either one of them. If they were happy in their marriages they wouldn’t have fallen in love. Doesn’t make him a cad or her the s word. ABC already came right out and said that no rules were broken. Their only concern is that the viewers will be uncomfortable. Uncomfortable why? Because viewers decide to be both judge and jury? Well that’s just not right. Amy has been through a health scare - we don’t know Jack. Again, lots of rumors about TJ, I agree, but Amy is a grown woman, this is her call. Some of the rumors have already been proven false, including a rumor about Amy that claimed she had a drinking problem. I would agree with this except sometimes it's not what you do but in the way you do it that ruffles feathers. I'm sure there are plenty of people including myself on this forum who have had strong, intense feelings for someone who is NOT their SO; what matters is how you handle those feelings. These two are scabs. T.J. repeatedly lied to his wife after she forgave him the other affair(s) about his relationship with Amy, and Amy lied to Andrew as well. There's nothing firm, but there's been a lot of speculation that Marilee Fiebig (T.J.'s wife) hired a PI to trail his scrub ass and the first set of pictures is from that; allegedly she was so furious she leaked the pics to put them on blast. Considering she's an attorney and she was the one to intermediately file for divorce and not him I'm leaning more on the "she did that ****, lol" side. Both of them lied to their respective SOs and this also isn't the first time Amy has cheated as well so I think Marilee and Andrew will be a lot better off to let these cheating people have each other since it's only a matter of time before they cheat on each other!
Sometimes, things happen and people fall in love who shouldn't. In that case you do the honorable thing first and separate and divorce your spouse BEFORE you go public with your backdoor woman or man; you don't continue to lie and gaslight your SO because you enjoy having both the thrill of having an affair while having the security and stability of having a partner at home.
They also played up their relationship on GMA as well so yes, ick. Bringing your extra-curricular BS into work should be enough grounds for them to get fired. And what gets me the most is these two are delighting in doing photo ops of ~their love~ despite the wife, the husband, AND TJ's daughter asking them to at least act like decent people and not rub it in their faces publicly and the fact that they seem incapable to think about how their actions effect others says a lot about them. What's really upsetting is there are children involved in this mess (Amy and Andrew have 5 and T.J and Marilee have one) who are school age and are old enough to get the heat from their peers over this; normally I'm not a big "Won't somebody think of the children?" because it tends to be very performative in nature but in this case the horribleness is coming from their own house. I feel bad for everyone in this scenario that isn't Amy or T.J. because bull**** always floats; they got a payout from ABC and will probably get other jobs elsewhere. This isn't really going to hurt them, in the long run.
Their families, on the other hand...
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Post by Critical on Jan 29, 2023 21:39:14 GMT
Kao - AMEN, to your whole post. The astonishing lack of judgment just floors me. Plus, as you said, cheating is not new for either of them. Several reports say that the affair started in March of last year. Andrew Shue moved out and they separated last summer. I don't believe for a second that the relationship didn't start until they'd filed for divorce. Who said that was the case? THEY DID. Of course they did. They were trying to save their jobs. After the Matt Lauer fiasco that went on for year and the higher ups did nothing about it, there's no way Amy and TJ were going to stay in their jobs. The optics were terrible. Especially when they seem to have left their respective spouses with the kids and continued gallivanting around (and yes, I used "gallivanting" ) together and having major PDA on camera. If the network has a morals clause, they certainly ran afoul of it. Keeping them on the air would have been a very bad look for ABC. I'd bet that, after Lauer, the other morning shows were determined not to have any kind of scandal.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jan 29, 2023 22:20:40 GMT
The Bachelor franchise is made up of all single people..that's the major difference, here. Both TJ and Amy were married at the time of this mess. I feel SO BADLY for their spouses. There's unhappily married people who never act out this way.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jan 29, 2023 22:35:25 GMT
I don't have e a dog in this fight, so all I'll say is that they should've at least waited until divorces had been filed.
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 30, 2023 0:32:53 GMT
Wow, tough crowd.
I'm not seeing credible stories about Amy's children being upset - in fact, just the opposite. My take from what I've seen is that Andrew Shue and Amy's girls are all fine with this and wish everyone would back off. I am also seeing stories about how Amy said years ago, when. she was diagnosed, that the stress of her illness was weighing on her new marriage. Fast forward, she's rode it out for 5 years. This man was not the father of her girls, and I think anyone going through a crisis like that does a lot of reflecting. If she thought she could be a better person and mom without Shue then that's her decision.
Am I a TJ fan? Not especially. Nevertheless I think ABC way overstepped. He's not a Matt Lauer by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by nennie on Jan 30, 2023 1:16:25 GMT
They both should have been fired. They have flaunted this affair all over and seemed proud of it. He won't stay with her nor will she stay with him. Most affairs like this never last.
Kao and critical great posts.
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Post by Kao on Jan 30, 2023 3:58:26 GMT
Not sure about Amy's girls but from what I've read Andrew is far from fine with this. As for TJs wife and daughter, they released this statement:
"During the holiday season and in light of the challenging times, Marilee’s sole focus has remained on the overall best interest of her 9-year-old daughter,” Fiebig’s attorney Stephanie Lehman said in a statement at the time. “To that end T.J.’s lawyer and I have been working together to move their divorce forward privately, expeditiously and as amicably as possible.”
The statement continued: “Notwithstanding, we continue to be disappointed by T.J’s lack of discretion, respect and sensitivity toward Marilee and the party’s daughter. Marilee has been touched by the outpouring of support and looks forward to a new beginning in this new year.”
There's an saying that goes "The best revenge on someone who sleeps with your mate is to let them have your mate" and it's so true. The screwing they get ain't nothing compared to the screwing they'll get eventually, plus can you imagine trying to trust that person? Nope.
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Post by Critical on Jan 30, 2023 6:10:24 GMT
I don't think of it as being a tough crowd, but it IS a realistic crowd who doesn't believe statements released by PR reps and stories in People magazine.
As others have said, if you want to sleep with someone you aren't married to, get a freaking divorce. Simple. TJ has a history of cheating, as does, apparently, Amy. This feels like a case of "effed around and found out." Eventually, the relationship will end when one (or both) of them cheats.
I think their former partners are doing what they need to do to maintain their dignity and keep their kids from having two parents acting like fools in public. That doesn't mean they're not upset about the situation. They just have more class than their soon-to-be former spouses.
There's no way they were going to keep their jobs. Apparently, Robin Roberts, in particular, was furious over the situation. They were too much of a distraction to stay. They're simply experiencing consequences for their behavior.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jan 30, 2023 6:15:48 GMT
Agreed Cuddles. Seems pretty old-fashioned to me. I haven't been following the story very closely, but what I have seen is that they seem super happy together. Plus, I have totally fallen for a co-worker before. I get it. (Certainly not as handsome as that gent, however!) Ooh!! Did you now? Lol
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Post by beerbelly on Jan 30, 2023 11:23:50 GMT
Yes! I still look him up from time to time. *Blush*.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jan 30, 2023 12:48:01 GMT
Not sure about Amy's girls but from what I've read Andrew is far from fine with this. As for TJs wife and daughter, they released this statement: "During the holiday season and in light of the challenging times, Marilee’s sole focus has remained on the overall best interest of her 9-year-old daughter,” Fiebig’s attorney Stephanie Lehman said in a statement at the time. “To that end T.J.’s lawyer and I have been working together to move their divorce forward privately, expeditiously and as amicably as possible.” The statement continued: “Notwithstanding, we continue to be disappointed by T.J’s lack of discretion, respect and sensitivity toward Marilee and the party’s daughter. Marilee has been touched by the outpouring of support and looks forward to a new beginning in this new year.”
There's an saying that goes "The best revenge on someone who sleeps with your mate is to let them have your mate" and it's so true. The screwing they get ain't nothing compared to the screwing they'll get eventually, plus can you imagine trying to trust that person? Nope. It's tacky IMO, the way TJ and Amy did this (no discretion whatsoever), the timing and all. My heart goes out to Marilee. SHE is the one I feel empathy for, and the children.
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Post by nennie on Jan 30, 2023 14:13:26 GMT
It is never okay to cheat just because you found love with each other. Married people cheat all the time but IT STILL ISN'T OKAY. The fallout will be on the cheaters. General rule of thumb is if they cheated on their spouse for you then they will cheat on you. My problem with Amy and TJ is the way they have flaunted this affair in the public eye without regard to anyone especially their families. Apparently their jobs weren't that important to them.
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 30, 2023 15:32:51 GMT
I don't think of it as being a tough crowd, but it IS a realistic crowd who doesn't believe statements released by PR reps and stories in People magazine. As others have said, if you want to sleep with someone you aren't married to, get a freaking divorce. Simple. TJ has a history of cheating, as does, apparently, Amy. This feels like a case of "effed around and found out." Eventually, the relationship will end when one (or both) of them cheats. I think their former partners are doing what they need to do to maintain their dignity and keep their kids from having two parents acting like fools in public. That doesn't mean they're not upset about the situation. They just have more class than their soon-to-be former spouses. There's no way they were going to keep their jobs. Apparently, Robin Roberts, in particular, was furious over the situation. They were too much of a distraction to stay. They're simply experiencing consequences for their behavior. Sorry you think I am detached from reality, Critical, and that you don't find sources I may be looking at credible. I haven't seen anyone posting any of their sources while discussing this couple. I have heard references to rags, however, and I don't read those because the vast majority of the time they're bologna. From what I understand Amy was not living with Shue and TJ was not living with his attorney wife at the time they started their romance. And Amy's daughters babysat TJ's child and on and on - they were all close and fully aware that their parents were no longer living together and that they'd started building this new relationship. Shue's son is a grown man with his own issues. ABC screwed this up. They did not break any rules. They are merely saying they shouldn't be on the air because that would be a distraction. I personally think it's mute what the public thinks as far as when they supposedly should have made their relationship known. As long as the families knew first. And they did. As for TJ's wife... she's an attorney... of course she's putting out a message that puts her as a saint and him as a villain - that's how this works. Amy and TJ are all snuggly in current photos. There is no way on earth that Amy would purposefully be hurting her daughters. I 100% believe that she has their buy-in and had it right from the get-go. Maybe Shue wasn't a good step-dad to them. How can we know? Not going to speculate any further, but Amy isn't a cold B.
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