Joe Millionaire - For Richer or Poorer (Fox)

From RS this morning:

UPDATE): I’ll be having MULTIPLE people from the @joemillfox
finale tonight at 8/7c on the pod tmrw. Find out what went down during filming & after filming commenced. So tune in @foxtv
tonight to see who chose who, & tune in to the pod tmrw to hear from some of those involved.

Kurt can't help himself with Carolyn. He is just drawn to her.



The guys meet up and compare dates. Say only one more and then there will be hell.



Calah and Steven cook at home and he will make margarita's. They try to cook. I see that neither of them cook. They set off the smoke alarms and the food sucked but they had a great date. Discuss her dating life and she has dated rich guys before but the values they share are more important. He thinks with Calah there is still a lot of things he doesn't know. Is that a good thing? Making out.



Kurt says he lights up with Amanda and they have fun. Hmmm...That never goes well. apparently they are cooking too. They are making pizza and both enjoy cooking. Discuss money. She doesn't care, but wants her guy to be hard working. He is more confused.

Some making out.Guys get a wake up call from Martin.

I love these guys. Steven says he was hoping to find the women of his dreams and had no idea he would also find the man of his dreams!

Kurt says his head is telling him Amanda, but his heart is telling Carolyn.

Kurt tells Carolyn as much as it breaks his heart, his heart belongs to someone else. He thinks they would burn out quickly. She is pissed!!!

OMG I am surprised.

I can't wait to watch this now. It will be so great to see her go

Per an article that just posted on TMZ, Kurt & Amanda broke up after about a month & a-half.

That's sad, I really thought Kurt and Amanda would last longer than that. I was screaming when he sent Carolyn home, never thought he'd do it! Of course she left with all the grace I'd expect.

So happy about Steven and Calah, he was posting up a storm on Twitter last night. They're adorable.

I listened to Reality Steve's podcast with Steven, Calah and Amanda earlier today.

It sounds like Steven and Calah are really happy. They were able to spend a good deal of time together after filming at his home because he lives in the middle of nowhere - I think he said the nearest neighbor is 5 miles away. They just got to be normal: watching TV, cooking, taking walks and just getting to know each other. One thing they didn't show was that Steven is involved in residential construction. Calah is a real estate agent (can't remember if they said "realtor"), so they're going to do business together with him building homes and her selling them. They bought a home in Kansas City, which is where he's often doing business. KS is maybe 70 miles from Gallatin, so it's not a huge drive. Basically, they seem like they're really well-suited.

Also, both Steven and Calah said that there was a lot about their relationship that wasn't shown and she wasn't nearly as conflicted in her decision between the two guys as it may have seemed. Neither had a bad word to say about Annie. It just sounds like Steven and Calah fit better, as far as their real lives.

As we know, Amanda and Kurt broke up. The statements I've seen say that it wasn't contentious, but that they just didn't work in the real world. Amanda was pretty diplomatic, but she hinted that he's just not ready to be in a relationship. Whatever that means, I don't know. They spent time together a few times after the show wrapped and pretty quickly realized it wasn't going to work. Amanda is doing just fine. She moved from CA to NYC - she actually had a moving van and an apartment in NYC right when the show called - and is working on a new business. I don't think she's dating anyone and it's pretty clear the door is closed with Kurt.

Reading between the lines of what Amanda said, it sounds like she's not Carolyn's biggest fan. No surprise there. She said things like she felt Carolyn had a good heart....but it seemed like the unsaid part was, "under all that self-involved bitchiness."

Both women said the money was not a factor for them. Both guys were driven and owned their own business. Also, it sounds like all of the ladies were pretty split down the middle in who they thought was the millionaire.

A note about the filming of the decision night: they started filming before midnight, IIRC, around 9pm and didn't finish until around 5am with Steven and Calah. They alternated "decisions," so while it seemed like the guys were doing their decisions with their women simultaneously, it was Kurt, Steven, Kurt, Steven. Poor Calah said she was ready to go at like 7:30 that night and had to wait all that time. Instead of worrying about losing daylight, they were losing night They all said they sat around, napped, talked, etc. Steven said he and Martin were drinking Red Bulls together to stay awake.

I wonder if RS is going to have Kurt on. He did have Steven and Kurt on together before the season started, but I haven't listened to that one. I might go back and check it out.

All in all, it sounds like Steven and Calah are doing really well and so is Amanda.

No word on whether there'll be a second season.

I finally caught up with this mess and goodness, it delivered!

I can't believe....I felt kinda bad for Carolyn? I mean, she was bitter as hell but I don't blame her because this man gassed her up to be his one and only for weeks, only to basically dump her? Her being secretive about certain things didn't help, but she looked genuinely hurt. Yeah...I don't blame her for being put out.

Steve seemed like he put a great deal of thought into who he chose, which was nice. He and Callah seem like a good pairing. I would not be one bit surprised if Kurt ends up looking Carolyn up after all of this because I honestly feel like he chose Amanda because she looked good on paper rather than who his heart was calling to.

provenceguy if you could please listen and report back? Because I got the impression that they slept together at some point, and even though both of them are adults with agency if he did all that and then didn't pick her that's kinda grimy.

No, Clayton did not sleep with Susie. She left during the dinner part of the episode, and the two did not go to the Fantasy Suite. Susie's main issue had been that Clayton had professed his love for Gabby and Rachel and had also slept with him. She didn't think she would have to tell her "future husband" not to sleep with other women.

Okay, I listened to the podcast.

Annie: Very well spoken. Was Miss High School America in 2013 and Miss Georgia in 2018. Participated in the Miss America pageant, and her talent was dance.
Seeing the two men, Steven was her typical type, so she purposefully focused on Kurt initially to try a different "type". As it turned out, she was still drawn to Steven, though.
Annie was 99% sure Steven was going to choose her. She though Calah was really into Kurt until the 4 women were sitting together near the end and Martin said that she and Calah were there for Steven while Amanda and Carolyn were there for Kurt.
After the hometown date and the girls' visit to the farm, they all pretty much thought that Steven was the millionaire.
She and Steven had talked about possibly living in Kansas City or Nashville. Could she have lived forever in Gallatin? No. But she didn't really see herself as married and raising a family in NYC, either.
Annie said that she didn't read Steven's body language very well when she came to him at the finale. Looking back on it and after watching it on TV, she says it was obvious that he was not going to choose her. Steven reached out to her and DM'd just before the finale aired & said that he wished her the best, which she thought was sweet. They have had no other contact.
Annie and Carolyn are great friends and watched the finale together. Amanda lives 2 subway stops from her, and the two see each other all the time.
Reports that Annie was seeing Tyler Cameron are false: she saw him at a bar once post-show and the two talked for about 5 minutes, at her girlfriends' urging.
Annie loved being away from the show, loved having a break from her cell phone, and would gladly be on reality TV again.
General feedback from the world has been very positive for Annie, but she also knows not to base her self worth on what strangers on the internet think of her.

Carolyn: Some of the other women on the show had been married before or had been engaged, but she was the only one with a child.
She said she was not on the show for a lark, has a business to run and has a son & therefore had no time to waste.
Her skin care product has been featured in Vogue and was originally for stretch marks but is now a multi-use product that helps with hyperpigmentation etc., too.
She was immediately drawn to Kurt, even before she knew the premise of the show and that there was money involved.
After their first date, Kurt told her he was obsessed with her. Carolyn encouraged him to get to know the other women so that he'd be sure with her & their relationship but told him not to rub it in her face--like he ultimately did with Amanda. At the same time, Kurt told Carolyn he did not want her to try to explore anything with Steven.
Carolyn said she was constantly having to reassure Kurt. She wanted to see how their relationship would be off camera and didn't feel the need to rush in to anything once filming was done. She told Kurt she could give him 2 weeks per month and was only an hour's flight away, that her mom works in family law and could set up custody parameters if needed, etc. But through it all, Kurt continued to have a problem with the idea of her ex being in their lives.
At the finale, she saw that Kurt's eyes were basically glazed over, and she mouthed to him, "What is it". At that moment she knew he wasn't going to pick her.
In the house Amanda pitted Carolyn against the other women and eventually apologized for having done so. Carolyn was great friends with the producers & crew.
She was heartbroken for 2-3 months after the show ended.
When Kurt and Amanda broke up in December, Kurt contacted Carolyn via text, said he had made a huge mistake & that he wanted to rekindle the relationship. They have not seen each other, but there have been a lot of texts.
Carolyn was born in the Dominican Republic & lives in Miami. She has managed the properties of people with considerable money, even as a 23 and 25 year-old, and knows how people with money talk and act. Therefore, she knew immediately that Kurt was not the millionaire.
Overall, she has no regrets.

Is this the same woman who kept dodging his serious questions and declared his family her "in-laws"? Yeah, no rush there. And I just don't see Amanda pitting the others against her, she probably did that herself. But I wasn't there, so who knows.

I wonder if Kurt had a bad experience with an ex/kids in the past?

Carolyn said Kurt had no problem with her having a son and that he loves children, but it was the ex he couldn't get past.
I liked her during the interview with RS.

Does anyone have a link to these podcasts or what platform to find them on? I normally use Spotify.