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Post by Mikesgirl on Sept 2, 2022 2:37:43 GMT
Sorry, sorry but a goodbye zing for Kyle was irresistible to me.
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Post by justCoz on Sept 2, 2022 2:49:26 GMT
Okay, I have so many thoughts! First, I said a couple of week's ago that Michael's game play is smarmy. I have not changed my mind about that. He and Brittany holding onto this info to further themselves in the game is not a good look. However, I think the show made them out to be more villainous than Kyle which isn't okay. Both of them told him what he was saying wasn't right. The fact he didn't want to hear that was not their fault despite Kyle trying to shift the blame to them. I'm glad Julie reiterated to him exactly what Brittany said.
I also think it was probably difficult for them initially to figure out if/when they should say something. They are in a very odd circumstance where you do leave some morals behind. Probably the right time was soon after they had their conversation and realized he was saying those things to both of them. I can kinda understand not the first week because it is such a delicate situation, not to be approached lightly. However, definitely by Taylor's HOH. I do not think it should have been done last week when they were in the house divided.
I hope Kyle can really learn from this. I feel sorry for Joseph because it impacted his game in a more severe way than even Monte and Taylor. (Also, has anyone from the after party told them that Joseph wasn't the villain they were claiming?)
I might think of more things after I process more of what I saw.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Sept 2, 2022 3:01:33 GMT
Just a part of Julie’s initial interview with evicted houseguest Kyle. He knows what he said, how it was perceived. He is now remorseful, but I don’t think Michael and Britt were being smarmy. (Just my view of the situation.)
I think it should have been exposed immediately. But, if they thought each time, that was it, Kyle would not bring up his conspiracy again, then maybe they felt it was better to wait. In hindsight I can easily see it would be ethical to address the issue immediately.
Excerpt of the Julie and Kyle interview:
J - Earlier in the game you had a converation with Michael saying you thought there could be an alliance in the house trying to do what The Cookout did last year, essentially being made up of people of color all working together in a secret alliance and you proposed to Michael that you and he, plus Turner, Alyssa and Brittany could work together in a secret alliacne. Did you consider how that might be perceived by your housemates?
K - As terrible as it sounded at the time it didn't click in my mind and after looking back and the multiple conversations with Michael and Brittany and the mulitiple conversations this week I now realize how terreible that was and I should have relized it from the start and I apologize to everyone watching and everyone in the house.
J - When you brought up this suspecion to Brittany in the bathroom she said, and I quote "We just can't assume that that would be the case." After that discussion did the idea of this secret alliance possibly existing affect your strategy in the game? Did it weigh on you?
K - At the time, its hard to describe how I was feeling and there is so many different variable going on. I think one of the themes Terrance I and I talked about was just the fact that I was overthinking everything, so that probably did wewight into some of his decision making unfortunatley but I did have some very close relationships with Turner, Alyssa, Monte, Michael and Brittany that spured that hope in working togehter and unfortunatly yes I think that did play into some of that consideration unfortunately
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Post by justCoz on Sept 2, 2022 3:30:28 GMT
I think one thing in the show tonight that I thought was a little icky from Michael was his outright glee that Kyle would be going home. I forget exactly but something like 'yes, Kyle's leaving!' It's pretty clear they said it when they did to get the tides to turn in their favor. They did it to save Taylor and maybe Monte if he was renom but that helps their numbers. Now, I agree with Monte in the short-term it helps their game but I kinda agree with Brittany that it doesn't really help them long-term because it bothered the other houseguests that they held onto this info until it benefited their game. It only helps them if both of them are there on finale night. That is a good thought Mikesgirl that perhaps they thought each time he would just drop it. I think that's what I was feeling about seeing why they wouldn't bring it up immediately. For me, the problem lies that they didn't bring it up once they realized that he was doubling down on his crazy theories. And this is where I also don't know how I feel. If he had stopped when they tried to get him to see what he was saying wasn't right, is that something that needed to be dealt with the whole house? I don't know if that what if is even a path to go down because clearly Kyle didn't make that choice. Was the show trying to protect him? Did they offer that to him if he remorsefully stayed in the house for just a couple more days? Did they do it that way because Taylor and Monte were so gracious? I mean, Terrance was gracious too but that seemed a little like game play too since he was trying to keep Kyle in the house. The biggest thing is how incredibly stupid this all was. It should have been extremely clear that the POC weren't working together like he thought. There were too many instances where that wasn't true. He definitely had his racial bias blinders on to think that at that point in the game. |
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Post by MFWalkoff on Sept 2, 2022 4:38:03 GMT
Ovi spills the T:
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Post by MFWalkoff on Sept 2, 2022 4:45:27 GMT
Re: Possible booing on the show tonight:
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 2, 2022 5:28:22 GMT
For those of you who were wondering whether Kyle called Brittany, Whitney.....No he did not. He called her Litney ...her nickname for when she is buzzed  |
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Post by bbfan55 on Sept 2, 2022 6:16:30 GMT
Wow, this episode was so misguided
This was not a house issue. It was an American issue. A world issue!
These 8 people are products of their culture. A culture that teaches us to divide. Racism, sexism, political divide, etc. It’s all the same. Social separation, judgement, polarity.
Kyle was actually the only one humble enough to look at his unconscious biases and admit how broken he was.
Taylor had overtly stated she would vote along racial lines. Kyle read her intentions accurately.
Monte revealed very deep racial divisions, saying he’d never trusted or had a white friend since college. Kyle read his unconscious biases correctly.
Terrance clearly had tons of pain around racism too. Kyle may have sensed that too.
I do NOT support or condone the unintentional racial bias. Obviously not.
I am saying that no one else realized how much they were also contributing to this situation, consciously or not. Instead, they punished Kyle, while never looking at themselves. Only Kyle had any accountability.
And Michael and Brittney?? SICK. Absolutely deliberate and calculated abuse of extremely sensitive information purely to advance them in the game. Shameful! Far worse than Kyle’s unconscious expression of the cultures sickness. Monte is on to them, hope he nails them to the wall
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 2, 2022 6:24:28 GMT
Hello bbfan55, welcome. I have a question...do you watch the live feeds? |
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Post by allornothing on Sept 2, 2022 13:50:24 GMT
I think one thing in the show tonight that I thought was a little icky from Michael was his outright glee that Kyle would be going home. I forget exactly but something like 'yes, Kyle's leaving!' When M did that I thought - huh - maybe something to that smarmy stuff ppl picked up on earlier. *That* really rubbed me the wrong way too! Whereas Britt really did seem to be remorseful that she didn't say anything earlier. Like sick to her stomach sad at points I wonder if she wanted to but has been following Ms lead all along and this was another thing. Taylor was of course so eloquent in her answers. I cried at the house meeting comment. I totally forgive her princess HOH and hope she stays more genuine or whatever this Taylor is because I really like her sometimes. Cried again when Monte spoke to Kyle. Ok, off to read the rest of the comments. |
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Post by mayamaisha on Sept 2, 2022 16:02:24 GMT
Wow, this episode was so misguided This was not a house issue. It was an American issue. A world issue! These 8 people are products of their culture. A culture that teaches us to divide. Racism, sexism, political divide, etc. It’s all the same. Social separation, judgement, polarity. Kyle was actually the only one humble enough to look at his unconscious biases and admit how broken he was. Taylor had overtly stated she would vote along racial lines. Kyle read her intentions accurately. Monte revealed very deep racial divisions, saying he’d never trusted or had a white friend since college. Kyle read his unconscious biases correctly. Terrance clearly had tons of pain around racism too. Kyle may have sensed that too. I do NOT support or condone the unintentional racial bias. Obviously not. I am saying that no one else realized how much they were also contributing to this situation, consciously or not. Instead, they punished Kyle, while never looking at themselves. Only Kyle had any accountability. And Michael and Brittney?? SICK. Absolutely deliberate and calculated abuse of extremely sensitive information purely to advance them in the game. Shameful! Far worse than Kyle’s unconscious expression of the cultures sickness. Monte is on to them, hope he nails them to the wall I don't think Taylor, Monte, or Terrance's bias were unconscious. They live with these biases daily because there is no other choice. To dismiss them is to make oneself vulnerable. That being said, they are also open to new friendships that they find worthy, just like anyone else. It was all Kyle, he read nothing about these folks, if he had, the suggestion would not have been made. Taylor's statement, I personally didn't agree with, just play the game. It made no sense to not nominate someone who is targeting you. Just play the game. This is my opinion. I live in the same world as these three players. Hopefully Michael & Brittany will pay for their gameplay. We live in a sad world. |
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Post by monte71 on Sept 2, 2022 23:05:46 GMT
Edit is making it out like Michael/Brit are the bad guys and Kyle is an innocent boy who has never went to a bar.  Michael and Brit are also bad guys.
Instead of calling Kyle out immediately, they let him dig his hole deeper, used his shovel to bludgeon him, and to hell with the hurt they caused Taylor, Monte and Terrance in the way they handled it.
Instead of calling a house meeting and airing their discomfort with the racist comments Kyle made, they sneak off in calculated groups. Why leave Terrance out of your early morning briefing (he was awake) if you want to make sure the people most affected by the racist comments are okay with letting the HOH/house know?
At the very least, Michael and Brit should have told Kyle the first time he tried to sell the "white alliance", that his suggestions sound racist, and they were not okay with it.
Had Michael and Brit done the right thing, the house could have voted Kyle out instead of Daniel the first time this happened (during Michael's HOH while Kyle was on the block), but Michael and Brit were more interested in their alliance having a numbers advantage to protect themselves than doing the right thing.
Michael and Brit used race as a pawn to advance their game. I am as disgusted with them as I am with Kyle.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Sept 3, 2022 11:42:50 GMT
I see what does look like it was game strategy on Michael and Brittany's part. If so, shame on them. I also don't excuse Kyle at all. What a season. I'm Team Monte!
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Post by kurt451 on Sept 4, 2022 23:49:26 GMT
Does anyone know where the footage of Kyle’s true words are, I wanna see the actual event Rewatch yesterday’s show. The edit included flashbacks on prior conversations in the past, which backup what Kyle said.  Kyle got a bad rap. He was labeled a racist for playing the game. His strategy was to form an alliance. He pointed out that last season there was an all black alliance and he saw evidence of a strong relationship being formed this season. For this he was being called a racist. Nothing was said when Taylor confirmed his suspicions by saying she would never put a black person on the block. So help me here, who made the racist comment? |
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Post by Mikesgirl on Sept 5, 2022 0:52:54 GMT
Actually Kurt, I understand the issue arose because he said he suggested they should form an alliance of Kyle, Alyssa, Turner, Michael and Britney. That’s an all white alliance to prevent a cookout 2.0. That’s what angered America.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 5, 2022 1:49:29 GMT
Rewatch yesterday’s show. The edit included flashbacks on prior conversations in the past, which backup what Kyle said. Kyle got a bad rap. He was labeled a racist for playing the game. His strategy was to form an alliance. He pointed out that last season there was an all black alliance and he saw evidence of a strong relationship being formed this season. For this he was being called a racist. Nothing was said when Taylor confirmed his suspicions by saying she would never put a black person on the block. So help me here, who made the racist comment? He was never called a racist by one person inside that house. Taylor said SHE couldn't in her heart put another black woman on the block due to the history of how black women have been pitted against each other. BUT she didn't have any issue with someone else putting Jasmine up. She voted her out two weeks later ....were his suspicions still correct? Kyle was questioning whether or not ALL the POC in the house were working together SIMPLY based on their race and nothing else, DESPITE the obvious signs that they weren't. There is a huge difference there. |
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