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Post by Kao on Jun 8, 2018 5:13:18 GMT
And of course her garbage sister who she hasn't spoken to in 10 years slithered out of the woodwork to talk about Kate's depression. :/ Begone, wench.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 8, 2018 11:30:43 GMT
CNN is reporting that we've also lost Anthony Bourdain to suicide, and I'm devastated. The first time I remember being aware of Bourdain was back when The Restaurant was on NBC. There was an episode where he and Eric Ripert came to Rocco's, and they talked about it being a big deal, so I started reading up on both of them. That led me to reading Kitchen Confidential, and really sparked in me the idea that going out to eat could be an adventure to savor, and not just a place to get food that you didn't have to cook. My friends and family know now that i pride myself in choosing great restaurants and really enjoying the experience, and in many ways, that all goes back to Bourdain. He fascinated me as such a combination of tough and blunt, but also had so much compassion. He wasn't really known as someone who gave a voice to the voiceless ... but he was one of those people who did. I wish peace and comfort to his daughter and those closest to him who are faced coping with this.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 8, 2018 11:57:27 GMT
CNN is reporting that we've also lost Anthony Bourdain to suicide, and I'm devastated. The first time I remember being aware of Bourdain was back when The Restaurant was on NBC. There was an episode where he and Eric Ripert came to Rocco's, and they talked about it being a big deal, so I started reading up on both of them. That led me to reading Kitchen Confidential, and really sparked in me the idea that going out to eat could be an adventure to savor, and not just a place to get food that you didn't have to cook. My friends and family know now that i pride myself in choosing great restaurants and really enjoying the experience, and in many ways, that all goes back to Bourdain. He fascinated me as such a combination of tough and blunt, but also had so much compassion. He wasn't really known as someone who gave a voice to the voiceless ... but he was one of those people who did. I wish peace and comfort to his daughter and those closest to him who are faced coping with this. How terribly sad! Gosh... I enjoyed watching his show now and then, he took us around the world... May he rest in peace...
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Post by waywyrd on Jun 8, 2018 11:59:58 GMT
Oh my God, no...I loved Bourdain. I just feel sick. 
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 8, 2018 12:04:48 GMT
I loved watching him....so very sad.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 8, 2018 12:21:10 GMT
Again, shocking. 🙁
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Post by beerbelly on Jun 8, 2018 12:38:48 GMT
I got to meet Tony a couple of years back. It was such a wonderful day, one of those serendipitous days where you meet a stranger and become fast friends and she takes you to a restaurant to drink and you meet a chef that you have always admired and read his book.
Tony's book changed dining. Did we ever worry about eating Eggs Benedict before him? Thinking of what day to order fish at a restaurant?
I'm so sad.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 8, 2018 12:45:07 GMT
I can't quite believe it's real.. I recall Florimel posting about him, in such a wonderful way, I started watching his show.
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Post by Arielflies on Jun 8, 2018 13:42:15 GMT
I first learned of him through the show, The Taste. I am still processing that two very creative people decided to leave this life rather than fight on. I am both sick and sad.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 8, 2018 13:58:02 GMT
That's the thing about suicide - when it's the result of depression, the victim really doesn't view it as a choice. We respect it when a cancer patient chooses to end chemotherapy. But since it's harder for those of us who have not experienced depression to understand what the world looks like for someone who suffers from the disease, many can process suicide differently. Depression can be a fatal disease. I also need to say here - Arielflies I do NOT intend that comment to mean that you don't get it. I don't know your thinking nor your experience with people who've suffered from depression. I'm coming more from the perspective of what i've heard a friend of mine say after she lost her father to suicide after a LONG fight with depression. She's talked before about how hard it is for her to hear people talk about it as a choice, and I tend to repeat her words when I hear that because of what I've learned from her.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 8, 2018 14:05:03 GMT
CNN is reporting that we've also lost Anthony Bourdain to suicide, and I'm devastated. The first time I remember being aware of Bourdain was back when The Restaurant was on NBC. There was an episode where he and Eric Ripert came to Rocco's, and they talked about it being a big deal, so I started reading up on both of them. That led me to reading Kitchen Confidential, and really sparked in me the idea that going out to eat could be an adventure to savor, and not just a place to get food that you didn't have to cook. My friends and family know now that i pride myself in choosing great restaurants and really enjoying the experience, and in many ways, that all goes back to Bourdain. He fascinated me as such a combination of tough and blunt, but also had so much compassion. He wasn't really known as someone who gave a voice to the voiceless ... but he was one of those people who did. I wish peace and comfort to his daughter and those closest to him who are faced coping with this. OMG!! Noooooo!!!! I'm in shock!!! What a man!!! Fascinating, intriguing, and sooo interesting! Bigger than life, and impossible to take you eyes off of! Wow! I am so sorry he was driven to suicide. How tragic! I hope he can RIP.
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 8, 2018 14:40:01 GMT
I have read so many articles and keep seeing the same thing. "Apparent" suicide but with no details other than he was found unresponsive. I wish they would wait on true and factual details before calling it a suicide. This causes way too much speculation which leads to lies that become urban myths. The Press should be more careful in my opinion.
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 8, 2018 14:42:54 GMT
nevermind….just saw how he was found
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Post by acookertv on Jun 8, 2018 14:52:20 GMT
I have read so many articles and keep seeing the same thing. "Apparent" suicide but with no details other than he was found unresponsive. I wish they would wait on true and factual details before calling it a suicide. This causes way too much speculation which leads to lies that become urban myths. The Press should be more careful in my opinion. Since CNN was the one that broke this news, and they approached it as him being one of their own (and he was in Paris working on a show for CNN) I think they did a pretty good job of reporting it, but agree with your bigger point that in many cases they are too quick to report speculation. What REALLY bothers in in the aftermath of reporting on a suicide is all the speculation about the life the deceased lived, searching for signs, etc. The gossip that has come out about Kate Spade is a great example, and I fear that given Bourdain's relationship with Asia Argento, they'll do the same to him. As I see it, when a person dies of suicide, it's important to report that fact, and if there was a known depression diagnosis, report that too. To me, that's the end of the story. There's no need to search for the drama in a person's life and what might have been the thing that wasthe tipping point. If a person dies of cancer or heart disease, there's no push to search and examine for more story in the cause of death. People who die of suicide deserve the same respect.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 8, 2018 14:52:33 GMT
OMG........AB......... My hubby worked late last night and is still sleeping (we are in CA) and he does not know this yet but he will be devastated. While I did not watch his show "Parts Unknown" all that much my husband has AB on all.of.the.time. I mean literally all.of.the.time. Hubby watches all the repeats as well over and over again. I am shocked and saddened. I know he has a young daughter. Prayers for her and his family. Rest In Peace Anthony Bourdain. Gone way too soon.
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Post by springmaiden27 on Jun 8, 2018 14:55:57 GMT
I find it so striking that both Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain left relatively young children behind. What a crap week 🙁
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jun 8, 2018 14:56:46 GMT
And now, Anthony Bourdain. So sad!  My heart breaks for his young daughter.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 8, 2018 15:02:26 GMT
I always got the sense with AB, that he wasn't happy. Something in his eyes. I know he battled issues but it wasn't that.
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Post by Brooks on Jun 8, 2018 15:43:54 GMT
Damn, Bourdain was a favorite in my household.
When my husband passed, 3 weeks before his birthday, I celebrated his birthday by going through old greeting cards we had exchanged, sipping from his favorite liqueur, and watching an episode of Parts Unknown.
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Post by Arielflies on Jun 8, 2018 16:56:44 GMT
I also need to say here - Arielflies I do NOT intend that comment to mean that you don't get it. I don't know your thinking nor your experience with people who've suffered from depression. I'm coming more from the perspective of what i've heard a friend of mine say after she lost her father to suicide after a LONG fight with depression. She's talked before about how hard it is for her to hear people talk about it as a choice, and I tend to repeat her words when I hear that because of what I've learned from her. I understand. I have been fighting chronic depression my whole life to the point it is a way of life and I know no other. I have tried therapy ( yakety-yak) and am incompatible with the medication, so I soldier on. I look for the bright or funny side when and where I can, but there are days when I cope by slipping off into a fantasy land and can stay there while still operating in this world. That is why it is so sad for me to learn of another's suicide and wish they had fought harder.
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Post by Kao on Jun 8, 2018 19:53:06 GMT
I am absolutely gutted by the news about Anthony Bourdain. I always loved how he would eat and talk with everyone, no matter how famous or not. I also loved how he would let people tell their own stories instead of talking over them. He was a rare, troubled soul, and personally I see less light in the world without him.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jun 8, 2018 20:39:06 GMT
Bourdain. Damn. This one hurt.
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Post by Kao on Jun 8, 2018 22:10:13 GMT
Bourdain. Damn. This one hurt. My sentiments exactly. 
CNN is doing a memorial show tonight at 9. I heard that his dear friend Eric Ripert was the one that found him? That's heartbreaking.
This is really doing my head in.
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Post by MissScarlet on Jun 8, 2018 23:11:45 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me that these people who have success, fame, money, sometimes looks, and seemingly charmed lives, can be so extremely unhappy & even miserable. They have all the trappings that we nobodies would like to have with travel, clothes, excitement and adventure in their lives, and yet, so many turn to drugs & degenerate lives (not that AB had a degenerate life. I wouldn't know.) So many end up committing suicide.
It just doesn't add up to me.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 8, 2018 23:44:46 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me that these people who have success, fame, money, sometimes looks, and seemingly charmed lives, can be so extremely unhappy & even miserable. They have all the trappings that we nobodies would like to have with travel, clothes, excitement and adventure in their lives, and yet, so many turn to drugs & degenerate lives (not that AB had a degenerate life. I wouldn't know.) So many end up committing suicide. It just doesn't add up to me. Depression, anxiety, like cancer, they don't discriminate. It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, it takes ahold of you, and it is relentless. It's not just a down day, or feeling off, you can go though a whole year with depression, and yet nobody will know, because it gets easier to hide..
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Post by beerbelly on Jun 9, 2018 4:23:30 GMT
I was wondering if it would be a smart idea to start a thread for 'mental health'. I do see us as a community that helps and supports each other.
Tonight I was talking to a friend about AB and how I met him and just drank with him and 2 other people....my friend told me 'you know, I really don't know who that is, I know he has something to do with food'.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 9, 2018 7:28:14 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me that these people who have success, fame, money, sometimes looks, and seemingly charmed lives, can be so extremely unhappy & even miserable. They have all the trappings that we nobodies would like to have with travel, clothes, excitement and adventure in their lives, and yet, so many turn to drugs & degenerate lives (not that AB had a degenerate life. I wouldn't know.) So many end up committing suicide. It just doesn't add up to me. Depression, anxiety, like cancer, they don't discriminate. It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, it takes ahold of you, and it is relentless. It's not just a down day, or feeling off, you can go though a whole year with depression, and yet nobody will know, because it gets easier to hide..A whole lifetime for some (or should I say many).
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 9, 2018 10:45:26 GMT
The painful legacy people leave behind when they commit suicide. Devastating.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jun 9, 2018 14:49:11 GMT
Clinical depression isn't caused by outside forces. It isn't a reaction to events around you because it isn't situational. More often than not it's a chemical imbalance in the brain. Clinical depression isn't the same as being sad. It is the absence of joy, of inner peace, of light, of hope. And everyday millions of people, from all backgrounds, get up to face another day battling this monstrous disease. Oft times, in secrecy. Because the public doesn't understand depression in terms of a disease. To them , it's a sign of weakness or a character flaw to hear someone say " I want to kill myself." And even if your loved ones are supportive, there is a sense their lives are much more exhausting emotionally, because they have to deal with you. But, what is truly stunning about the disease of depression is just how hard people work in order to put on a mask of normalcy, of happiness. Think about the worst day in your life and then imagine living those feelings everyday for years and years. No calmness or inner peace, no relief from the agony. the battle not to commit suicide, the up and down cycles. performing like a well trained actor for family, friends, co-workers. And if you do break in front of them they say something completely unhelpful like "just don't think about it." But, you can't. Because your brain is not capable of manufacturing enough dopamine(it is the chemical that produces 'happiness and contentment). Even if you are in therapy and taking medications-those meds constantly need readjusting. Sometimes, you find that a particular drug no longer works. The repetiveness of trying to feel 'normal' is physically and emotionally agonizing. Suicide nationwide is up by 50% over the last 17 years. it now surpasses car crashes in the amount of people who die from it. People with depression are extraordinarily tough people. As tough as anyone battling cancer. But, just like cancer, sometimes being tough and receiving top notch care isn't enough to keep the disease from killing you. Just like cancer patients people with depression fight a brave battle against the disease. But, we don't phrase it that way for people who suicide. We judge. We call them selfish. We wonder how they could "do that" to their families and friends. But, that isn't what they are thinking, because again, their brains are chemically different from yours. It's a long exhaustive fight .It is relentless is preventing you from feeling anything other than despair. Or it robs you of the ability to feel anything.
Compassion towards everyone fighting this misunderstood disease would help people don't feel isolated or judged. It would give people the incentive to seek treatment and it would give those seeking treatment reason not to feel guilt shame and self-hatred. They could be open about their illness. instead of having to carry it around like a deep, heavy secret lest they be judged. Society owes compassion and understanding to those who bravely battle the disease of mental illness. Clinical depression isn't caused by outside forces. It isn't a reaction to events around you because it isn't situational. More often than not it's a chemical imbalance in the brain. Clinical depression isn't the same as being sad. It is the absence of joy, of inner peace, of light, of hope. And everyday millions of people, from all backgrounds, get up to face another day battling this monstrous disease. Oft times, in secrecy. Because the public doesn't understand depression in terms of a disease. To them , it's a sign of weakness or a character flaw to hear someone say " I want to kill myself." And even if your loved ones are supportive, there is a sense their lives are much more exhausting emotionally, because they have to deal with you.
But, what is truly stunning about the disease of depression is just how hard people work in order to put on a mask of normalcy, of happiness. Think about the worst day in your life and then imagine living those feelings everyday for years and years. No calmness or inner peace, no relief from the agony. the battle not to commit suicide, the up and down cycles. performing like a well trained actor for family, friends, co-workers. And if you do break in front of them they say something completely unhelpful like "just don't think about it." But, you can't. Because your brain is not capable of manufacturing enough dopamine(it is the chemical that produces 'happiness and contentment). Even if you are in therapy and taking medications-those meds constantly need readjusting. Sometimes, you find that a particular drug no longer works. The repetiveness of trying to feel 'normal' is physically and emotionally agonizing.
Suicide nationwide is up by 50% over the last 17 years. it now surpasses car crashes in the amount of people who die from it.
People with depression are extraordinarily tough people. As tough as anyone battling cancer. But, just like cancer, sometimes being tough and receiving top notch care isn't enough to keep the disease from killing you. Just like cancer patients people with depression fight a brave battle against the disease. But, we don't phrase it that way for people who suicide. We judge. We call them selfish. We wonder how they could "do that" to their families and friends. But, that isn't what they are thinking, because again, their brains are chemically different from yours. It's a long exhaustive fight .It is relentless is preventing you from feeling anything other than despair. Or it robs you of the ability to feel anything.
Like cancer, it can be a fatal disease. While we state someone died after a brave battle with cancer, we don't do the same for someone whose lost their years long battle to the disease of mental illness. We should respect and honor people battling depression, as well. ETA: There are different depths of clinical depression. So , I don't compare them. People who commit suicide have not done so because they didn't fight hard enough. Anymore than a terminal cancer patient didn't fight hard enough to live.
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Post by Kao on Jun 9, 2018 17:03:25 GMT
Thank you, redsoxgirl. Some people really lack empathy. :/
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