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Post by Arielflies on Jun 9, 2018 23:43:24 GMT
A psychiatrist, when I was in my early twenties, was very forward thinking for the time in explaining that my synapses did not jump across the divides in the brain like other people's do. That is an awkward way of saying my brain is wired differently. He was forward thinking because this was the early 70s and the Freud methodology was in heavy play. Anyway, he found a short-term medication that also addressed my anxiety, but, as I stated, I am not compatible with depression only medications. I have been un-medicated since that time and I do all right.
Sometimes, though, with my current anemic condition, it is hard to separate out why I am tired. Comes with Diabetic 2 conditions. Still working on finding a level.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 9, 2018 23:59:51 GMT
A psychiatrist, when I was in my early twenties, was very forward thinking for the time in explaining that my synapses did not jump across the divides in the brain like other people's do. That is an awkward way of saying my brain is wired differently. He was forward thinking because this was the early 70s and the Freud methodology was in heavy play. Anyway, he found a short-term medication that also addressed my anxiety, but, as I stated, I am not compatible with depression only medications. I have been un-medicated since that time and I do all right. Sometimes, though, with my current anemic condition, it is hard to separate out why I am tired. Comes with Diabetic 2 conditions. Still working on finding a level. Multiple medical conditions and doctors who can't give us the answers we need and/or the treatments we need just adds to our stress. It's very stressful in itself. I sympathize and empathize Arielflies! Hang in there, and meanwhile, keep yourself busy keeping us naughty Forters in line!!!  |
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Post by MissScarlet on Jun 10, 2018 1:47:24 GMT
I sympathize with all those suffering from any form of depression, but I have a hard time relating to it because it's not something that's ever been a part of me. I guess you have a hard time understanding something you've never been through.
Back when I was going through chemo, there was a Doctor, or cancer specialist or something, who was questioning me on my reactions, attitudes, feelings, etc. on what I was going through. It was some kind of official information they needed for some reason. Anyhow, the one thing that stuck in my mind was when she asked me if I ever considered "doing something" to myself because of it. I had no idea what she was talking about & asked her what she meant. She worded it about 5 different ways, trying to be tactful, but I still just didn't get it. That is, until it finally clicked. I then said: "You mean SUICIDE!?!?!?!? Oh My God NO!!!!!" I think my reaction shocked her by how emphatic it was. I explained to her that I've lived through seeing what it does to the family, friends, survivors of the person. It's happened to family members & friends. It's just not in me to do that to those I'd leave behind. I guess it's fairly common in cancer patients.
I told my children that I would always be open & up front with them about all of what was going on. Even if I ever chose not to get treatment, I'd let them know & why. I never want to blind side them with my choices or health. I've been through that, and the one who's kept in the dark will blame themselves for not knowing.
I know that those suffering from depression aren't thinking straight. Although I can't relate, it's got to be horrible to feel you have no other option.
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Post by Arielflies on Jun 10, 2018 3:12:02 GMT
Hmm. I think it is more emotional than logical as thinking goes. Maybe equate it to "thinking" you are in love when everyone you know tells you that you are making a horrible mistake, that s/he is a jerk, etc.
It's not that simple, of course, but the emotions are more in play than logical thought.
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Post by Critical on Jun 10, 2018 3:51:27 GMT
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Post by sweetmermaid1 on Jun 10, 2018 11:39:49 GMT
"It's like Betty Crocker and Charles Manson had a love child and he's cooking for me"...Anthoy Bourdain on Top Chef season 2....RIP
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 10, 2018 12:16:43 GMT
Unfortunately I have family members with severe depression and have felt the pain of family suicide. I still find suicide extremely selfish, even a depressed person can love other people enough to not leave them with this horrible, lifelong legacy.
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Post by ibot2much on Jun 10, 2018 14:19:57 GMT
While I do feel sorry for those whose lives seem not worth living, I just cannot understand leaving behind a child to suffer the loss....as did both of the celebrities.
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Post by Kao on Jun 10, 2018 20:02:32 GMT
Some things are better left unsaid.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 10, 2018 23:11:58 GMT
While I do feel sorry for those whose lives seem not worth living, I just cannot understand leaving behind a child to suffer the loss....as did both of the celebrities. No, I cant, and yet I was going to |
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Post by Brooks on Jun 10, 2018 23:57:05 GMT
Serotonin is the neurotransmitter that produces happiness and contentment. Dopamine is about reward and addiction. Norepinephrine. Acetylcholine. Some others.
What angers me is the rarity that doctors will look for a physical reason that neurotransmitters may be out of whack, the why, and instead just write addictive prescriptions. Because there can be imbalances that could be fixed. And unless you're eating right and your gut and gut microbes are healthy, you may not have the ability to be better anyway. My older sister has been seriously depressed all her life. It is only recently I understood that. She can't afford to eat better so I set that challenge for her, that I would make it affordable. I don't know where it will lead but she took me up on it and I'm so thrilled. I just wish I could find a good functional doctor for her who would run the tests she really needs to understand what is going on.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 11, 2018 2:35:01 GMT
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Post by JosephD on Jun 11, 2018 22:08:41 GMT
I don't remember him from The Goldbergs, but I do remember him as Manny's rival Durkas from Modern Family. So sad. Only 20! |
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Post by JosephD on Jun 11, 2018 22:13:36 GMT
Everyone at work has been talking about Anthony Bourdain. Such a shock. A heart attack, I could see - but suicide?!? Just like Robin Williams, he seemed to have so much going for him. Depression is serious business. I've been taking Wellbutrin for the past 10 years. Sometimes I think of taking myself off of it but then I don't because I've heard horror stories about people who quit taking a prescription on their own.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 11, 2018 22:39:14 GMT
Everyone at work has been talking about Anthony Bourdain. Such a shock. A heart attack, I could see - but suicide?!? Just like Robin Williams, he seemed to have so much going for him. Depression is serious business. I've been taking Wellbutrin for the past 10 years. Sometimes I think of taking myself off of it but then I don't because I've heard horror stories about people who quit taking a prescription on their own. I took myself off, because I felt better, well duh, I felt better because of it.. I actually changed to something different, and I can and do leave that off from time to time.. |
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Post by Cuddles on Jun 12, 2018 11:02:03 GMT
I'm afraid I have more sad news. link Bode and Morgan Miller's little girl passed away after a pool accident. |
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Post by olivialynlee on Jun 12, 2018 11:04:16 GMT
I'm afraid I have more sad news. link Bode and Morgan Miller's little girl passed away after a pool accident. That is absolutely heartbreaking. I cannot even begin to imagine the pain they are going through. |
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Post by springmaiden27 on Jun 12, 2018 14:56:49 GMT
I'm afraid I have more sad news. link Bode and Morgan Miller's little girl passed away after a pool accident. That guy just can’t catch a break. So sad. |
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 12, 2018 15:02:51 GMT
I read that yesterday about Bode ....... omg ........ how the hell do you go on .......... how?  The pain has got to be excruciating. This is so unbearably sad. Heartbreaking. |
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Post by Punkin on Jun 21, 2018 18:50:01 GMT
Koko, the gorilla who was taught to communicate by sign language passed away peacefully in her sleep. She was 46.  |
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 21, 2018 19:44:10 GMT
Koko, the gorilla who was taught to communicate by sign language passed away peacefully in her sleep. She was 46. Aww. That's too bad. RIP, Koko! |
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 21, 2018 23:06:11 GMT
Koko, the gorilla who was taught to communicate by sign language passed away peacefully in her sleep. She was 46. Ohhhhhhh no. I am sooooo sad to hear that Koko has passed. She was a gorilla who was REALLY taught to talk, (in sign language and symbols) and she had a huge vocabulary. I've read so much about her through the years, and I've seen, I think, every documentary and every piece of video footage about her --- she was just amazing! RIP dear Koko. You showed us how much like us you really were. |
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Post by JosephD on Jun 22, 2018 1:01:30 GMT
Kate Spade's father just passed away. So sad to hear about Koko. RIP. |
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Post by Arielflies on Jun 22, 2018 4:02:39 GMT
A Washington Post Columnist with a conservative slant lost his battle today.
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Post by Critical on Jun 22, 2018 6:47:48 GMT
Aw, I'm truly heartbroken over Koko. She was only a few years younger than I am, so I feel like I grew up with her in a weird way. I don't remember a time when I didn't "know" Koko. |
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jun 22, 2018 19:08:24 GMT
IT is worth remembering that suicide is a symptom of an illness. The illness is called depression. People die from other illnesses and it is not called selfish. If you've never been to that terrible place -to the brink, you cannot understand the horrific psychic pain that has gone on relentlessly, often for decades. It is no different in it's devastating intensity than that of a burn victim. But, the screams stay inside you, the burns are on the inside, in your brain, your soul, the very basic emotional threads that make up who you Are. It is brain chemicals run amuck-your brain is a car battery with pistons that don't work correctly. It can be a fatal illness and should not be turned into an excorceation about someone being selfish. Because that is a falsehood. We don't want people with chronic long term illnesses that cause excruciating pain to suffer-we sometimes feel relieved when they die-because the suffering is over. But, when someone with a chronic, crippling mental illness kills themselves, we dismiss and minimize their suffering, calling them selfish. Because they, in our minds, haven't thought about their children or loved ones. But, most people who kill themselves are thinking about their loved ones and they believe their own death will bring brief grief followed by long term relief that they no longer have to "waste their lives" worrying about the person and their depressive, erratic behavior. I think empathy must be extended to everyone struggling with chronic illness that is possibly terminal. We need to stop equating mental illness with cowardice and lack of character. It isn't a morality question. Because some of the strongest people in history and everyday life have battled, what Churchill called, "the demon dogs of despair." Attachments:
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 22, 2018 21:00:06 GMT
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Post by Punkin on Jun 22, 2018 23:53:23 GMT
Remember Koko's little kitten? So sweet, their unusual relationship!
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 23, 2018 2:12:46 GMT
IT is worth remembering that suicide is a symptom of an illness. The illness is called depression. People die from other illnesses and it is not called selfish. If you've never been to that terrible place -to the brink, you cannot understand the horrific psychic pain that has gone on relentlessly, often for decades. It is no different in it's devastating intensity than that of a burn victim. But, the screams stay inside you, the burns are on the inside, in your brain, your soul, the very basic emotional threads that make up who you Are. It is brain chemicals run amuck-your brain is a car battery with pistons that don't work correctly. It can be a fatal illness and should not be turned into an excorceation about someone being selfish. Because that is a falsehood. We don't want people with chronic long term illnesses that cause excruciating pain to suffer-we sometimes feel relieved when they die-because the suffering is over. But, when someone with a chronic, crippling mental illness kills themselves, we dismiss and minimize their suffering, calling them selfish. Because they, in our minds, haven't thought about their children or loved ones. But, most people who kill themselves are thinking about their loved ones and they believe their own death will bring brief grief followed by long term relief that they no longer have to "waste their lives" worrying about the person and their depressive, erratic behavior. I think empathy must be extended to everyone struggling with chronic illness that is possibly terminal. We need to stop equating mental illness with cowardice and lack of character. It isn't a morality question. Because some of the strongest people in history and everyday life have battled, what Churchill called, "the demon dogs of despair." I agree with Miss_Griss. Well said, redsoxgirl. VERY well said. Never before have I thought about suicide in the way you've described it, and now it's taken on a whole new dimension for me. Very tragic -- for everyone concerned. |
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Post by Kao on Jun 23, 2018 18:42:35 GMT
Thank you, redsoxgirl. Some people in here really need to learn empathy. It's not always about you and your feelings. :/
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