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Post by Bearcata on Jun 12, 2024 13:21:48 GMT
Impressions:Flora quitting was a bit of a surprise as I thought she would at least try her best, I think she might have beat Avery. Very disappointed in Avery's performance in the last daily challenge, she couldn't untie a rope from a tree and totally failed paddling a float. Does she even know how an oar functions? In the end Flora and Avery were throw away spots. It was fun to see them again, and between the two they provided some entertainment during the beginning of the season but they disappeared into the woodwork mid season and you wondered why they were still there when they appeared on the screen. Kinda felt the same about Laurel and was disappointed she was given an extra chance in the game, but was glad that Derek got his Star. Yeah, conflicting emotions. Ryan, what happened? That performance was dismal. Nice confessional especially about the finances and not saving while you are in your twenties. Impressed with Veronica. Why? Cause I saw the Queen comeback in the way she maneuvered in the first two checkpoints of the final. The girl is smart and calculated. She was cool under pressure and figured out how to do each checkpoint. Very impressed. Where has she been hiding? Fifty pounds lighter, some cardio under her belt and she "coulda been a contender".
Impressed with Leroy. Why? The psychological warfare he was using in the first elimination checkpoint by telling everyone how hard it was to hit the targets with the paint ball. Leroy lied? Leroy used subterfuge? Then during the elimination checkpoint he did the yelling as if he got shocked to scare off his opponents and it looked as if it worked on Derek.
Disgusted by Nicole emotionally manipulating Laurel knowing that by crying it would upset Laurel and Laurel would comfort her.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 13, 2024 1:57:09 GMT
Rumors today:
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 13, 2024 3:03:26 GMT
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 13, 2024 3:11:24 GMT
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 13, 2024 3:21:25 GMT
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 13, 2024 16:17:23 GMT
Ryan is saying he broke his collar bone on the show.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 13, 2024 21:01:56 GMT
Laurel posted on her twitter account that when she jumped in the bucket to look for her Star that she tore her MCL and medial meniscus.
So with Steve potentially hurting his knees in his last elimination and Laurel hurting her knee in the purge challenge will that impact their chances in the final?
Will there be a running, and or climbing a mountain part of the final?
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 14, 2024 2:17:01 GMT
Who do I want to win?
Ace + Derek + Steve = OK with any of these
Leroy = No
Cara Maria + Veronica = OK with any of these
Laurel + Nicole = No
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Post by sunnydayz on Jun 14, 2024 2:48:37 GMT
Yes - completely agree with your choices - Leroy, Laurel, Nicole - no no no. Anyone else - I’m okay with.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 19, 2024 5:05:31 GMT
Season 4 Episode 12 - "Lone Star" - June 19, 2024 - Final - last episode
Derek eliminated from the game. Ah, wish it had been Laurel.
What he gives his star to the bitch. Laurel has 2 stars now.
Leroy eliminated from the game. Yes, so glad. Leroy gives his star to Steve because Steve has been in three eliminations and has earned it.
6 players left. One more Advantage and Elimination.
Ace & Cara win the last advantage. Yes. This determines the order to 3 games. Only two can use a room before it is locked.
Cara, Ace, Steve, Veronica, Nicole, and Laurel go in that order.
Laurel is so upset with Cara. This is what gets me. Everyone thinks Laurel is this great beast but she has really poor sportsmanship. If she has the advantage she would f Cara in a second but if anyone gives Laurel an disadvantage it is so unfair.
Nicole and Veronica are eliminated and they give their stars to Laurel. She had 4 Stars. What a bitch. Does nothing all season. Says means things to Cara and Derek, Veronica, and Nicole give her stars.
End of Part 1 of the final.
TJ was right anyone could have won this final even Veronica or Tina or Flora.
Ace, why is he even here. I know he lost his best friend (died) right before this season filmed, but his head never seems in the game.
Steve, OMG legitimately had a shot at winning. He had two stars to use as an advantage each loop of the final but he forgot and saved them for the last leg and had to do the final puzzle. BIG MISTAKE. HATE that Laurel won. HATE IT. This game is part social but really. This is where I want to see times. How close where Cara and Laurel? Would not having any advantages have helped or not?
Laurel is all over the place with hating Cara and telling her she made varsity and that they need to be partners in a Rivals III.
A big FU to all those idiots on social media who spoiled this season. I don't get people who reveal who wins before a season even airs, hope they all rot in H on a special level for leakers.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 19, 2024 18:11:33 GMT
Love that Cara played a hard physical game, focused on protecting her Star and getting to the final. But that pissed off the popular kids and she was given no credit and no additional stars. The win goes to the person having a toxic relationship with the worst possible person and yelling like an idiot at a rival and skating to the finish line after given 3 advantages because people like her better than they like Cara Maria. So is this a physical game or a social game? Isn't it supposed to be a blend of both.
Literally Flora, Tina, or Veronica could win this game.
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Post by sunnydayz on Jun 20, 2024 4:23:33 GMT
Such a bummer that Laurel won. I’m really not a fan of giving someone a handful of advantages at the finale. Do the twists, turns and advantages up until the finale, then just let them battle it out at the end. Ughhhhh.
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Post by sunnydayz on Jun 20, 2024 4:28:53 GMT
Yeah I would have liked to see times too - how far apart were Laurel and Cara at the finish line? I would love to know.
Glad to see Leroy eliminated during the first part of the finale. That was a bright spot for me lol.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 20, 2024 6:30:39 GMT
From her X account
I find this fishy. I sprained my knee once and it swelled so much so quickly that I could not bend it and it was my driving leg. The fact Laurel blew off an injured meniscus and MCL doesn't sound right.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 20, 2024 6:40:30 GMT
Yeah I would have liked to see times too - how far apart were Laurel and Cara at the finish line? I would love to know. Glad to see Leroy eliminated during the first part of the finale. That was a bright spot for me lol. I have heard that Leroy has one of the highest "Q" ratings on The Challenge. A "Q" rating is a popularity rating that is very important on TV. People just like that character. I quess I am immune. I don't see what is so great about Leroy. All I ever saw was a Banana's Minion. Leroy did not think for himself, he did not strategize for himself. I didn't even think he was that good of an athletic as it never seemed he won any dailies or ran in that many finals.
It irked me to high heaven everyone was predicting how Leroy would finally win a Challenge season when it was announced he would be on AS4.
OK, Leroy was not in shape but he is competing against people 10 to 15 to 20 years older than he is. Leroy had his brains with him (Kam), and he consistently ended up in the losing group very daily challenge. He won trivia when he was partnered with Veronica.
I was thrilled he was eliminated as I didn't think he earned his place in the final. But even if he was not eliminated during the drinking portion and survived the last elimination to make it to day two, would Leroy have had any addition Stars? Would he have done that well in the 5 stations. Leroy can drink and eat. Leroy cannot do puzzles. Leroy cannot do tasks and would have had trouble balancing the rocks. Vertical puzzles? Would Leroy have placed in the top three. Maybe if the other person was Ace.
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Post by sunnydayz on Jun 20, 2024 15:38:40 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that Leroy is so popular ![:huh](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/hWStivnrEdm0hfmcmWkL.gif) One of Banana's minions agreed, not thinking for himself. Then on to being protected by Kam, with Kam telling him what to do....even to the point of coaching him through daily and elimination challenges. Not a fan. Seems like you've got to have something besides social-related skills - cardio, strength, intelligence, puzzle smarts - something. I just don't see it with Leroy. Yeah Laurel's claims about her knee injury seem suspect. Extra strength aspirin and went for it??? I'm not buying it
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 20, 2024 17:37:15 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that Leroy is so popular ![:huh](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/hWStivnrEdm0hfmcmWkL.gif) One of Banana's minions agreed, not thinking for himself. Then on to being protected by Kam, with Kam telling him what to do....even to the point of coaching him through daily and elimination challenges. Not a fan. Seems like you've got to have something besides social-related skills - cardio, strength, intelligence, puzzle smarts - something. I just don't see it with Leroy. Yeah Laurel's claims about her knee injury seem suspect. Extra strength aspirin and went for it??? I'm not buying it I was on her X account yesterday and fans are claiming she did a Jordan, competed on an injured leg. I never saw her limping.
I personally don't see what is so great about Laurel. She comes cross as a bully and a mean spirited bitch and is just nasty in how she behaves toward Cara. Who loses control like she does? I luv'ed it when Ninja Natalie beat her in the tree climbing elimination when Laurel missed the correct hole to put in her last stake. Laurel's victory dance was absolutely crazy.
Laurel came on Fresh Meat II which aired in March 2010 which means it was filmed in 2009. At the time Laurel was a physical freak because of her height and proportionally heavier body and her athleticism and her competitiveness and her aggressiveness. Most of the girls on the show were there to have a vacation and party. Most were between 5 foot to 5' 5" tall. Laurel had a minimum 7" height advantage and a good 40 to 50 lbs heavier than most of the girls. She competed in 4 back to back seasons, was in 4 finals, and won the last final she was in Free Agents back in 2014 which would have been filmed in 2013. Great. But what has she done since then? Her record since then has not been that impressive. Well she did real life.
Laurel claims she is came back on the show and changed her strategy on how to play. She started a whisper campaign against Cara from the minute she was seen at the airport. Laurel rolled around and had a very public, very toxic affair on a very public platform, and she was downright abusive in how she verbally shredded Cara. As an athlete, and as a person, I do not find that role model material.
Currently, the new crop of girls that MTV casts has gotten taller and many live in the gym and are also physical freaks. How will Laurel do competing against them considering she is now 39 years old and many of the new cast is 10 to 15 years younger? I personally consider her the original female version of Fessy.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 20, 2024 17:39:05 GMT
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Post by holly on Jun 20, 2024 19:17:52 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that Leroy is so popular ![:huh](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/hWStivnrEdm0hfmcmWkL.gif) One of Banana's minions agreed, not thinking for himself. Then on to being protected by Kam, with Kam telling him what to do....even to the point of coaching him through daily and elimination challenges. Not a fan. Seems like you've got to have something besides social-related skills - cardio, strength, intelligence, puzzle smarts - something. I just don't see it with Leroy. Yeah Laurel's claims about her knee injury seem suspect. Extra strength aspirin and went for it??? I'm not buying it I was on her X account yesterday and fans are claiming she did a Jordan, competed on an injured leg. I never saw her limping.
I personally don't see what is so great about Laurel. She comes cross as a bully and a mean spirited bitch and is just nasty in how she behaves toward Cara. Who loses control like she does? I luv'ed it when Ninja Natalie beat her in the tree climbing elimination when Laurel missed the correct hole to put in her last stake. Laurel's victory dance was absolutely crazy.
Laurel came on Fresh Meat II which aired in March 2010 which means it was filmed in 2009. At the time Laurel was a physical freak because of her height and proportionally heavier body and her athleticism and her competitiveness and her aggressiveness. Most of the girls on the show were there to have a vacation and party. Most were between 5 foot to 5' 5" tall. Laurel had a minimum 7" height advantage and a good 40 to 50 lbs heavier than most of the girls. She competed in 4 back to back seasons, was in 4 finals, and won the last final she was in Free Agents back in 2014 which would have been filmed in 2013. Great. But what has she done since then? Her record since then has not been that impressive. Well she did real life.
Laurel claims she is came back on the show and changed her strategy on how to play. She started a whisper campaign against Cara from the minute she was seen at the airport. Laurel rolled around and had a very public, very toxic affair on a very public platform, and she was downright abusive in how she verbally shredded Cara. As an athlete, and as a person, I do not find that role model material.
Currently, the new crop of girls that MTV casts has gotten taller and many live in the gym and are also physical freaks. How will Laurel do competing against them considering she is now 39 years old and many of the new cast is 10 to 15 years younger? I personally consider her the original female version of Fessy.
Can't stand Laurel. She's the exact same person she has always been. She's shown ZERO personal growth in 14 years. It's actually pretty sad. It's like she's emotionally stunted. I too, loved it when she thought she beat Ninja & did that crude dance (?) & then after TJ tells her she didn't put the stick in the correct place, she argued about it, & if I recall correctly, she kept saying "It's not my fault." Of course Laurel, nothing is ever your fault.
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Post by aaron2005 on Jun 20, 2024 21:13:33 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that Leroy is so popular ![:huh](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/hWStivnrEdm0hfmcmWkL.gif) One of Banana's minions agreed, not thinking for himself. Then on to being protected by Kam, with Kam telling him what to do....even to the point of coaching him through daily and elimination challenges. Not a fan. Seems like you've got to have something besides social-related skills - cardio, strength, intelligence, puzzle smarts - something. I just don't see it with Leroy. Yeah Laurel's claims about her knee injury seem suspect. Extra strength aspirin and went for it??? I'm not buying it
Ace said the same thing in an instagram post today where he talks about Laurel and All Stars.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 20, 2024 22:21:03 GMT
Ace said the same thing in an instagram post today where he talks about Laurel and All Stars.
Well, Ace is very nice and he remembers when people are nice to him. Unfortunately, Ryan didn't remember any promise Ace made to him during their quarantine in the hotel before filming started.
A person is not all good and not all bad, they are a mix. Maybe in real life Laurel is a a gem to be around. However, in the Challenge House and on the Challenge season competition she is a different person, and not a very likeable one. I have seen her be very nice to Cara and turn on her like a rabid animal. It might be also that Laurel is one of those people who instantly see what is wrong in your life, tell you how to fix it, and get upset when you don't, and then drop you for not listening. This is a very common trait in many females. I see it all the time. What I saw this season did not change my opinion of her.
I do feel that as a fan I was robbed of seeing Cara and Laurel going into a head to head competition in the final. Darn production.
I don't feel that this "win" adds anything to Laurel's athletic legacy in the game.
The final would have been a lot more fun if every one was on a level playing field.
Overall, it was a good season, maybe it improves if you binge all 12 episodes over several days instead of 3 months.
The biggest pet peeve I have is that production edited it to be the Cara Maria Show. They edited in a very long, very tedious, very toxic relationship that affected the entire house and game play with the idea of giving fans a huge payoff with a Clash of the Titans elimination and or Final between Cara and Laurel and Production didn't deliver. Instead of a Big Bang Finale, fans got a Wimper Final.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 23, 2024 20:56:14 GMT
I found The Goat on Prime Video. This is everything All Stars 4 should have been but on steriods.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 25, 2024 3:46:53 GMT
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 25, 2024 4:00:24 GMT
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 26, 2024 7:59:09 GMT
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Post by sunnydayz on Jun 26, 2024 16:55:56 GMT
Interesting interview with Cara Maria. Much of what she says is how it was edited, although there's definitely parts that we didn't see, as well.
I listened to part of an interview with Kam because I was curious to hear how things went from her perspective. I turned it off about half way through. She came across defensive, immature, and pretty much stuck to "I wanted and expected my friends (including Cara) to back me on the vote." Even though she would get what she wanted without Cara's vote, she expected Cara to vote with her anyways. That seems so short-sighted to me....even if it is truly how she felt. This is a game for $250,000. Each individual had deals and promises that they could or couldn't keep - Cara chose to keep her promise for that vote - knowing that Kam would get what she wanted anyways. I'm completely over "Killer Kam." Not a fan.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 26, 2024 21:03:57 GMT
Interesting interview with Cara Maria. Much of what she says is how it was edited, although there's definitely parts that we didn't see, as well. I listened to part of an interview with Kam because I was curious to hear how things went from her perspective. I turned it off about half way through. She came across defensive, immature, and pretty much stuck to "I wanted and expected my friends (including Cara) to back me on the vote." Even though she would get what she wanted without Cara's vote, she expected Cara to vote with her anyways. That seems so short-sighted to me....even if it is truly how she felt. This is a game for $250,000. Each individual had deals and promises that they could or couldn't keep - Cara chose to keep her promise for that vote - knowing that Kam would get what she wanted anyways. I'm completely over "Killer Kam." Not a fan. This entire situation bothered me enough that I didn't listen to the Kam interviews on the Official podcast and on Bananas podcast. I will eventually. But what got me about Kam was that I have two interviews posted on this thread and she contradicts herself as to the reason why she was after Cara and I am going Huh? You have just contradicted yourself. I have also been following Angelcake Entertainment on Youtube and poor Angelcake is so beside himself with ire over this Kam thing. We had an entire online streaming chat about Kam getting upset with Cara because she didn't buy a nice or expensive enough baby shower gift for her second baby. Yes, the fans got into it online about the baby shower gift.
Angelcake said it best saying some of these interviews were recorded after the player left the game over 400 days ago and some interviews are more recent. So much of this happened over a year and a half ago. Kam had an 8 month old baby when she filmed All Stars 4 in 2023 and in February 2024 had her second child. This is the child's baby shower gift that Kam and everyone got mad about.
Much of this mess can be placed at MTV or CBS's feet for airing this show in 2024 instead of 2023, but we had all the global shows, plus USA2, plus world championships last year. What a mess.
Also Kam claims she talks to Laurel everyday. My contention is how can you talk to all your friends on a daily basis when you need to work, take care of two toddlers, and take care of your marriage. When do you get anything done?
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Post by sunnydayz on Jun 27, 2024 0:07:01 GMT
Yeah the whole thing about the baby shower gift was ridiculous. Talk about immature! Grow up girl - you’re the mother of two now. Good grief.
I too wonder how she would be able to just do life day to day, married with two small children and yet supposedly talk to her friends everyday.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 27, 2024 18:50:30 GMT
Yeah the whole thing about the baby shower gift was ridiculous. Talk about immature! Grow up girl - you’re the mother of two now. Good grief. I too wonder how she would be able to just do life day to day, married with two small children and yet supposedly talk to her friends everyday. I just watched the teaser from the Laurel Stucky interview on the Zach Nichols podcast episode 35 from about 3 months ago.
Wow, Laurel does not suffer from lack of confidence. She did talk a lot about what a great leader she was and how she helped grow her teammates, on her high school volleyball team.
Zach calls Laurel a dominant force and how all the girls are scared off her. Uh, she is a raging lunatic. I think there is something seriously mentally wrong with her and how she handles her relationships.
What I don't understand, have never understood is how Laurels fans forgive all of her crap and claim she is this Challenge Beast, no matter that she screams and rages and bullies people, and secretly undermines them. Yet Cara Maria who I have watched since Fresh Meat II actually go out and physically change herself to be able to compete and win yet fans constantly undermine her and dismiss her accomplishments as nothing becasue she cries and whines. Both ladies have done well in Challenge dailies, eliminations, and finals. Both ladies have behaved badly. Why is one held to this high esteem and the other not?
And now Kam is on the bash Cara Parade.
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Post by Bearcata on Jul 6, 2024 6:01:41 GMT
Kam's full name is Malkamitu “Kam” Williams, nice to know.
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