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Post by fang2170 on Mar 21, 2023 1:56:17 GMT
They skipped right over Kaity's "morning after", right? Directly to the Rose Ceremony?
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Post by waywyrd on Mar 21, 2023 1:59:19 GMT
I can't believe he sent Ariel home. She leaves with poise and class, no sobbing and drama. I really wanted her for Bachelorette.
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Post by Midol on Mar 21, 2023 2:02:11 GMT
I hated Gabi's bathing suit. That neckline is not flattering at all...or the blah beige colour.
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Post by Critical on Mar 21, 2023 2:03:49 GMT
They brought Sean in to talk to Zach, when clearly they should have brought Clayton in. That would have been a much better person to counsel him in this situation. What a dolt. (I was going to say, "What a d!ck move," but that seemed too on the nose )
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Post by tapper01 on Mar 21, 2023 2:07:30 GMT
I can't believe he sent Ariel home. She leaves with poise and class, no sobbing and drama. I really wanted her for Bachelorette. ariel was my favorite then Katy do NOT understand gabby at all
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Post by Navybelle on Mar 21, 2023 2:15:25 GMT
I would probably say...well looks like you made your choice!!! See ya later have a good life That's exactly what I was thinking at the time. So, it's over then, huh Zach? I could see myself leaving (but, they have those super-convincing producers on the case, so the women probably were given a good talking to!). But then, Gabi gets the second rose! I felt so bad for her, especially when Zach was only looking at Kaity when toasting and talking about next week. He's so worried about her feelings, that Gabi is just pushed to the side. I wonder if it's his aversion to drama/emotional/insecure situations, like he's been earlier in the season. He's got some work to do, in order to make these women comfortable and happy again.
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Post by Midol on Mar 21, 2023 2:41:31 GMT
I can't believe he sent Ariel home. She leaves with poise and class, no sobbing and drama. I really wanted her for Bachelorette. ariel was my favorite then Katy do NOT understand gabby at all I believe she has ADAD and has had therapy, so some the beheviour is a result. She did some interview somewhere where it was discussed at length and how it effected her being on the show...feelings of being over stimulated, over whelmed by all the women, production and situation...and what she did to keep herself grounded. She said it took her several weeks before she felt comfortable.
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Post by Midol on Mar 21, 2023 2:50:35 GMT
Oh honey, it's not that special when you are doing it on national tv and blabbing about it. It is lust Zach! Sean is just shaking his head. And Gabi child, it is not just between the two of you. It's between you, the other women and the millions of people who watch this show. These people really have zero common sense.
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Post by Midol on Mar 21, 2023 3:33:24 GMT
Zach, Zach, Zach. This was not about being honest with Kaity. This was about you not wanting to feel guilty, so to make yourself feel better about what you did, you framed it as being about about honesty. What you ended up doing is feeling momentarily better, but made Kaity feel like sh*t and then realized you screwed up figuratively and several different ways literally.
You should have just listened to Sean! Bets on Sean making an appearance at the AFTR to discuss this idiocy?
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Post by cavendish on Mar 21, 2023 5:25:19 GMT
I feel really sorry for Gabi.
She's the one who really gets kicked in the teeth -- first Zach has sex with her, when he apparently is the kind of guy who thinks less of women who have sex without a ring-- or whatever-it-is-he-thinks-she-should-have-- then he tells her he's falling in love with her, which is obviously a lie, and--then-- because he's afraid his actual choice will find out that he had sex with Gabi, he has to "confess" to having made things "messy"-- and go through this horribly awkward scene with Kaity, where he essentially has to say he regrets what he's done-- --
And then, to top it off, he can't even look Gabi in the face.
And-- oh-- by the way, she's told him that she has a terrible fear of coming in second --- Good going, Zach!
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 21, 2023 5:36:11 GMT
I haven't watched, but it sounds so messy and sad.
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Post by Critical on Mar 21, 2023 5:45:22 GMT
I sort of miss the old days of this show when it was just assumed that the lead would sleep with all or at least some of the people on the overnights and you just dealt with it. The leads didn't need to make these on-camera confessions. Why not have a private conversation AFTER filming ended? OR, with Kaity, in the fantasy suite with no cameras. It just feels cruel. Fleiss and Co seems to get off on this stuff and I just think it's mean.
I think Kaity handled it as well as she could have.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 21, 2023 5:56:24 GMT
I agree! Like Kaity said, she assumed it might have happened, but she didn't really want to hear him confirm it.
I also get, though, how it's confusing for leads now that there has been a history of final 1 women finding out and being upset that they weren't told beforehand, so what's a guy to do (and I'm sure the producers are all in the lead's ear saying exactly that. After all, they don't really care about the couples. They just want good drama.
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Post by Critical on Mar 21, 2023 6:37:42 GMT
I think they've really leaned into letting really difficult moments unfold on camera. That Arie-Becca breakup was excruciating and I'm sure they were giddy over it behind the scenes.
Agreed that they don't care if the couple stays together as long as they get ratings and attention in the media. These are not nice people.
On one hand, I do feel for Gabi, but she is NOT helping her cause at all, either with Zach or with viewers. I think she needs more time to grow up and maybe some time in therapy. It seems like she's finding her self worth through other people and that's not it.
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Post by tapper01 on Mar 21, 2023 15:32:20 GMT
the old people might be really fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by amber on Mar 21, 2023 18:06:13 GMT
I don't believe producers directed Zach not to have sex or to announce he didn't intend to have sex. It feels as if the dim wit decided upon that entirely on his own and then changed his mind. Maybe Sean influenced him, but still...
Did production encourage him to talk about doing the dirty with Gabi? Yep, but he could have said no, not go there. But he did, and now look what happened?
Zach is weak.
Even so, this Bachelor is not going through the motions. He's being serious and there-for-the-right-reasons. So there is that. The women are authentic, too, and damaged women as a backstory could very well be the season's theme, and we are watching Zach gravitate toward damaged women. These women are his type.
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Post by waywyrd on Mar 21, 2023 23:39:31 GMT
the old people might be really fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope they do a season with older folks, that would definitely be different.
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Post by Midol on Mar 22, 2023 4:36:03 GMT
the old people might be really fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope they do a season with older folks, that would definitely be different. Unless, they end up acting as stupid as the young ones. I really don't think I could handle a couple of grannies crying and bitching about some other granny not being there for the right reasons, having a boyfriend back home or bullying someone when the bachelor isn't there! It's excruciating enough with stupid 20 year olds. It would be unbearable with people in their 40's, 50's or above. I suspect tptb will screw this up too and it will end up being the bachelor crossed with over botoxed/fillered up housewives of where ever with a couple of normal people thrown in as bait. If anyone does a monkey jump...I am gone.
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Post by cavendish on Mar 22, 2023 7:26:49 GMT
I’m hoping they get some cool nteresting and attractive women (and men). for older edition. If they don’t, there’s no way I’m watching. And I hope the older women aren’t all 38.
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Post by Midol on Mar 22, 2023 9:53:59 GMT
I’m hoping they get some cool nteresting and attractive women (and men). for older edition. If they don’t, there’s no way I’m watching. And I hope the older women aren’t all 38. Knowing Fleiss as we do, it would not surprise me at all. If you are going for seniors...they better be seniors...at least in their mid to late 50's, although I would prefer people who are fully senior...65+. I would also appreciate it if they look like normal people that age, not over botoxed, over filled, ones who spend hours at the gym and could be models. Real people, in a variety of shapes and sizes. I suspect it will be an older Bachelor first since it would probably be easier to cast that many women vs. men. If done well, it could be good, but more likely will be a train wreck since MF is an a**.
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Post by dagwood on Mar 22, 2023 19:32:08 GMT
I’m hoping they get some cool nteresting and attractive women (and men). for older edition. If they don’t, there’s no way I’m watching. And I hope the older women aren’t all 38. Knowing Fleiss as we do, it would not surprise me at all. If you are going for seniors...they better be seniors...at least in their mid to late 50's, although I would prefer people who are fully senior...65+. I would also appreciate it if they look like normal people that age, not over botoxed, over filled, ones who spend hours at the gym and could be models. Real people, in a variety of shapes and sizes. I suspect it will be an older Bachelor first since it would probably be easier to cast that many women vs. men. If done well, it could be good, but more likely will be a train wreck since MF is an a**. That worries me, too. I am going to give it a chance, though
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Post by cavendish on Mar 22, 2023 20:09:16 GMT
One thing that Zach said about having sex with Gabi does bother me. He said, and later reiterated, that it was “important for our relationship” for then to have had sex. — and that they “both decided.” But first of all — what relationship? He is about to propose to another woman— at least so it seems—. So that seems really disingenuous and self serving — as if he doesn’t want his sterling reputation as a stand-up guy to be tarnished. And also— how could they both have decided , when he knew who he was going to choose and Gabi didn’t. Does he truly think this would have happened if she had known?
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 25, 2023 19:21:06 GMT
the old people might be really fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope they do a season with older folks, that would definitely be different. I do, too..or at least a whole cast of new people who aren't "retreads". So tired of these young retreads coming back from past seasons.
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