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Post by beerbelly on Jun 29, 2020 2:33:41 GMT
Ug. Not surprised. Just watched the last episode and kept thinking to myself what a tool he is. Him showing his pictures to Lara (and her admiring them) was so ridiculous. She showed concern for his dad's cancer for about 15 seconds.
Bye, Pete. Won't miss you for a millisecond.
When he was talking about his dad & how he wouldn't be the man he is today without his dad, I thought "don't hang that on your poor dad!" Lol!!! right? I mean, I don't mind if they keep him in because he is already a d-bag. And look at the fallout of Captain Sandy talking to the whole deck crew. Two of the men were offended and ding dong the racist sexist didn't even know it was directed at him! One on one people. Also, didn't like that Sandy knew of the beef between Bugsy and Hannah and was talking Bugsy up. And was sort of in Hannah's face about Bugsy.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 29, 2020 10:49:56 GMT
The addition of Bugsy and Sandy's excitement about her HAS to be producer intervention!
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Post by beerbelly on Jun 30, 2020 17:18:12 GMT
I thought that might be the case too, but then I read this article which I found fascinating! www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/style/below-deck-bravo.html Ugh, those guests are horrible! What trash. That one guy with the glitter watch and the oysters. I have really bad thoughts on how I would welcome his demise. How is Kiko going to pull this off?
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 30, 2020 17:34:44 GMT
I hope Hannah and Bugsy can remain good through the season because those two could be a really great team if they decided to work together.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 30, 2020 17:45:59 GMT
That was a great behind the scenes look - thanks for sharing the article! Though I'm not sure it challenges the idea that bringing back Bugsy was producer intervention. The article says producers can't intervene with decisions of whether or not to sail -it doesn't really say anything bout personnel decisions.
Those guests were terrible! I'm glad we get a couple of them each season to really appreciate what the crews go through, and how well they scramble. It amazes me that there are some guests who demand that much and don't for an instant think about what goes in to delivering it!
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Post by holly on Jun 30, 2020 20:20:37 GMT
The guests on this charter are the biggest d-bags I think I've ever seen on BDM & BD! Holy cow! The entitlement & condescending attitude leaves me almost speechless! Especially that one guy, who isn't even the main guest! What d***! And all of them suck for bringing all these randoms back to the boat! They shouldn't be allowed to do that. They've almost doubled the amount of people Kiko has to cook SIX COURSES for, & that the crew needs to wait on. What a bunch of entitled a-holes. Damn, can you tell this makes me so mad? LoL. It's probably not even for real, but it still pisses me off because there are so many people who really do act like this.
And yeah, Sandy fawning all over Bugsy is so OTT. Give it a rest Sandy.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 30, 2020 20:56:01 GMT
It's pretty easy to see the people who want you to think they have money they don't really have ... they behave exactly like these charter guests!
I did think it was interesting that so early in the charter Hannah brought the preference sheets out to show that they didn't request oysters for the first meal. I understood the desire to defend the crew. But can't something like that impact the tip? Maybe not because it wasn't the primary. But they do walk a very narrow line between playing nice and defending themselves!
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Post by beerbelly on Jun 30, 2020 20:57:00 GMT
Agreed about C. Sandy and Bugsy, like don't tell a junior member that her boss isn't good at something when C. Sandy said 'it's really not Hannah's strength' or something like that.
I wonder how much they charge for those extra people with that extra work and food and drink. And rose for breakfast? Blech.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 30, 2020 21:11:25 GMT
I THINK it is a flat fee regardless. If a person charters the yacht and says they want to eat ham sandwiches and grilled cheese each day, they pay the same as if someone says they want lobster and caviar for every meal. Of course, that flat fee is assuming more lobster than grilled cheese!
I wasn't as bothered by Capt Sandy's comment about Hannah not being about table decor, because Hannah would say it herself. What bothered me about that was the way she was so buddy buddy with her. Sure, they have a history. But what does it say to the other crew members who don't have that kind of relationship with her after working for her for several charters so far? Compare it to how Glen treated Paget and Ciara on Sailing Yacht. They'd worked together before, and he acknowledged that. But then he maintained the same sort of relationship with each of them that he did the rest of the crew.
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 30, 2020 23:47:10 GMT
It's pretty easy to see the people who want you to think they have money they don't really have ... they behave exactly like these charter guests! I did think it was interesting that so early in the charter Hannah brought the preference sheets out to show that they didn't request oysters for the first meal. I understood the desire to defend the crew. But can't something like that impact the tip? Maybe not because it wasn't the primary. But they do walk a very narrow line between playing nice and defending themselves! I liked the way she did it though. She wasn't accusatory. It was subtle. Did she say something like "I just want to make sure we didn't miss something else."
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Post by acookertv on Jun 30, 2020 23:53:06 GMT
Agreed. That was a smart way to cover it and make sure they didn’t continue to put up with complaints like that!
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 7, 2020 23:17:53 GMT
Ewwwwww!!! Pete is full-on creep and makes my skin crawl. He is so narcissistic that he thinks so much of himself when he really isn't what I would consider handsome. I'm surprised that he had a career up until this point with the way he behaves.
And of course, those d-bags did not tip well. I'm ashamed that I share the same city with those worms.
I love Bugsy, she handled Hannah very well when Hannah was confrontational. And she seemed to pick up on creep-Pete very quickly.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 8, 2020 0:10:01 GMT
Not not did she pick up on Creepy Pete quickly but I loved the way she responded to him. She did a great job of showing the things he was saying were not ok without it becoming confrontational, she stood her ground and let it be known she would not play along without making it a judgement on him that would get him defensive.
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Post by moviememories on Jul 8, 2020 2:20:06 GMT
There were a few creeps on last night's episode. Besides Pete, Bugsy was being creepy as well pointing at Alex's penis and making that remark right in front of Malia.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 8, 2020 2:31:44 GMT
At least she was totally drunk when she did it, and was embarrassed by it when she realized what she did. Not only was Pete not embarrassed, he was proud of his behavior.
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Post by moviememories on Jul 8, 2020 22:48:41 GMT
I usually don't excuse people for making a fool of themselves when they're drunk, but that is true that at least she apologized about it.
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Post by Punkin on Jul 14, 2020 4:35:31 GMT
Pete totally skeezes me out! He's like an un-woke Neanderthal!
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Post by acookertv on Jul 14, 2020 10:45:44 GMT
I was somewhat surprised that when Sandy talked to him and Malia demoted him that it did have an impact on his behavior. I'm curious to see how long it lasts - but kind of wondered if his being able to turn it off that quickly showed that he says what he does very intentionally and not just because he blurts it out. Malia was on WWHL last night, and a viewer asked how she felt about how often Hannah uses terms like sweetheart to put the stews in their place when she's not happy with them. The viewer was right - there is a double standard there! But Malia did say she doesn't like it when Hannah does it either.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 14, 2020 16:02:03 GMT
Hopefully only another episode or 2 and we won't be seeing much of Pete.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 14, 2020 17:21:03 GMT
I hate to say it, but I hope they don't widdle down his role too much. I think that viewers are intelligent enough to see bad behavior and recognize it as bad behavior. Below Deck is a show where it's quite normal for a person to be on for one season and never return again - I think Pete should be in that category. But I think it's a mistake for Bravo to edit down his significance in the second half of the season. He was a part of this chrarter season, and was rather significant to the stories. It annoys me that Bravo would remove those stories because he's a jerk with tasteless tweets.
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 14, 2020 17:29:05 GMT
When he is at his job, shouldn't he always be 'professional Pete?' Why wasn't he acting like this the whole time? What an A-hat.
I think Bugsy is amazing.
I don't know how these stews do it, if I had to unpack someone's luggage with one hand and that guest saw me struggling and still let me do it, I wouldn't be as nice about it.
Poor Kiko, I have a friend that is vegan and when we go out to eat I feel exactly like he does.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 14, 2020 17:38:27 GMT
If every crew member was professional the whole time they were working, I don't think the show would be very fun to watch. Please don't misunderstand my saying I don't want him edited out to be an endorsement for how he behaves. It's not. I'm simply saying reality shows are more interesting when they have a variety of personalities including bad ones. I think that Bugsy is really great at the guest-facing parts of her job. But part of her job is also respecting her superiors, and she really does suck at that part. I thought it was very telling that Kiko told Hannah to watch her back. He sees it and he recognizes that it puts the crew in a bad spot to have a second stew who spends that much time blaming her chief stew. I think that's especially true given the error appeared to be on the part of the provisioner and not Hannah. I'd love to see Bugsy as Chief Stew because I think she'd do it as well as Kate did in the beginning. But when she's not in that job, part of her job whether she likes it or not is to support her chief stew and make her look good. And because it's the thing about her that drives me the most nuts, I have to say again that it it was wrong of Capt Sandy to deal with Pete after Bugsy's complaint without talking to Malia first. Since she knows there is an issue with Pete respecting Malia's authority, it would have gone a long way to reinforce that authority if Malia had been there when Capt Sandy talked to Pete and let Malia say THEN in front of Capt Sandy that he was no longer the lead deck hand.
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Post by JustJuls on Jul 14, 2020 17:47:38 GMT
Malia handled that situation with Pete so well. I was proud of her!
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Post by karna68 on Jul 14, 2020 18:35:47 GMT
I hate to say it, but I hope they don't widdle down his role too much. I think that viewers are intelligent enough to see bad behavior and recognize it as bad behavior. Below Deck is a show where it's quite normal for a person to be on for one season and never return again - I think Pete should be in that category. But I think it's a mistake for Bravo to edit down his significance in the second half of the season. He was a part of this chrarter season, and was rather significant to the stories. It annoys me that Bravo would remove those stories because he's a jerk with tasteless tweets. I think they're editing him out because he was fired by Bravo.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 14, 2020 18:41:57 GMT
I hate to say it, but I hope they don't widdle down his role too much. I think that viewers are intelligent enough to see bad behavior and recognize it as bad behavior. Below Deck is a show where it's quite normal for a person to be on for one season and never return again - I think Pete should be in that category. But I think it's a mistake for Bravo to edit down his significance in the second half of the season. He was a part of this chrarter season, and was rather significant to the stories. It annoys me that Bravo would remove those stories because he's a jerk with tasteless tweets. I think they're editing him out because he was fired by Bravo. I understand why they are doing it. I just disagree with the decision. He's not being fired for offensive things he did on air. So to me, the appropriate response would have been for Bravo to say that Below Deck cast members are chosen a season at a time and given the tweets that came to light, Bravo would never hire him in the future.
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Post by moviememories on Jul 17, 2020 6:19:34 GMT
I thought it was a little over the top with Pete this episode. Just tell him that he's being inappropriate and that should be the end of it. Bugsy was frightened by him? Ok. I've seen Kate be just as vulgar(if not more so) various times when talking about people she has hooked up with, among other things.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 17, 2020 10:54:20 GMT
I think the big difference between regular sex talk among the crew and what Pete was doing was that Bugsy had just arrived and he was doing it as his getting to know her introduction. In addition, he wasn't just talking about any hook ups - he was talking specifically about stewardesses. So it did come across like "now that you're here, this is what I expect from you". Bugsy let him know it wasn't okay, and he continued. So going to a superior would be the appropriate next step.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 20, 2020 14:59:22 GMT
They've been having BD and BD Med marathons on Bravo during the day. On Friday it was season 6, Josiah! but also Riley
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Post by acookertv on Jul 21, 2020 2:36:36 GMT
Yes Capt Sandy, you’re right. Hannah doesn’t care. What you don’t seem to get is that you’ve given her no reason to care! Anytime a crew member does poorly you’re all over telling her what went wrong. When she does well instead of celebrating it you remind her of the times she’s done poorly. You told her she needed to motivate her stewardesses. Same is true of her sandy ... motivate her instead or complaining about her all the damn time!
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Post by boann on Jul 21, 2020 16:29:19 GMT
Yes Capt Sandy, you’re right. Hannah doesn’t care. What you don’t seem to get is that you’ve given her no reason to care! Anytime a crew member does poorly you’re all over telling her what went wrong. When she does well instead of celebrating it you remind her of the times she’s done poorly. You told her she needed to motivate her stewardesses. Same is true of her sandy ... motivate her instead or complaining about her all the damn time!
This is so true. Sandy plays favorites and Hannah knows that Sandy does not have her back. It's Sandy's prerogative as captain to hire whomever she wants, but she should talked with Hannah about Bugsy coming on-board in private, instead of just blindsiding her with the news during the tip meeting. I think that was the turning point for Hannah. By the time she did that Hannah had already given up. I say this with complete awareness that Hannah messed up breakfast service all by herself. That was the equivalent to Kate's throwing the clothes moment last season on BD. Not their best moments, but very indicative of where they each were mentally.
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