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Post by acookertv on Aug 12, 2020 10:53:34 GMT
It says a lot that both Capt Sandy and Malia were so prepared yesterday to respond to the criticism. Clearly they understood completely that people would react very negatively at what they did. Doesn't that indicate a certain level of guilt? I mean, if Sandy believed that her actions showed what an outstanding leader she was in charge of her yacht, why prepare for an plan an instagram chat for last night?
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 12, 2020 11:20:58 GMT
Did anyone participate in the IG chat with Sandy? Took a peek on #belowdeck chatter and boy, it's on fire. Why can't they get this show right?
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Post by karna68 on Aug 12, 2020 11:54:02 GMT
I think that's what is most disappointing to me. Here Sandy and Malia are women that are in dominantly male roles, they should empower other women instead they are being catty and childish
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Post by acookertv on Aug 12, 2020 12:27:26 GMT
Did anyone participate in the IG chat with Sandy? Took a peek on #belowdeck chatter and boy, it's on fire. Why can't they get this show right? The ratings are up, I saw somewhere that Monday's episode was a high for the season, and people are still talking about it 2 days later. I'd say they've got it right. I did not participate in the Insta chat, but saw clips from it after. From what I read / saw it sounds like it was very typical of Sandy in her reunion and WWHL appearances - she took an approach of viewers just don't understand how things work on mega yachts, and if people only knew they would understand that she's the best at her job of anyone whose ever done it. She also continued to back Malia. In one clip I saw, she said that anyone who comes on looking to grow in their yachting career she is very supportive. Anyone who comes on just to be on TV doesn't get much support from her. Oddly, the people she named who she thinks are in it to grow their careers are all deck hands. Hmm ... It's also notable that Capt Lee took down the tweet were he corrected the ranks on a yacht stating that chief stew is the highest ranking of the roles we see. He explained that he wrote it to correct a follower who'd stated it wrong and didn't like that it was being used to say he was correcting Sandy.
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 12, 2020 16:39:46 GMT
I think that's what is most disappointing to me. Here Sandy and Malia are women that are in dominantly male roles, they should empower other women instead they are being catty and childish So true. It's sad that I have run into that in the past in my own past. I had a woman on our company's leadership team call me 'pushy'. (Which in turn, made me create a 'Women in Technology' group so that we could support each other). Further, I find Sandy's actions so unprofessional. She has always favored certain crew members over others and her way of micro-managing is hair-pulling. I still can't get over why table decor is so important.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 12, 2020 16:44:16 GMT
I’ve seen the same kind of behavior from some female leaders around Sandys age. It was explained to me once as being that when women were coming up not seeing other women leaders they were taught that sucking up was a way to get ahead. So now they believe people they lead sucking up is a way to show loyalty and a desire to move up.
I think the table decor never mattered until Hannah was doing other things well. She was searching for something to hold against her.
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 12, 2020 17:06:42 GMT
Excellent point. About both leadership and table decor.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 12, 2020 17:28:52 GMT
I keep on going back to Sandy's comment in her instagram response to all of this about helping the people who are trying to build their maritime career and not being interested in those who are just there to be on TV. Clearly in her eyes, Hannah is only there to be on TV. With both Kate and Hannah, I think there is likely some level of burnout and their just going back to the job because of the show. I know Kate had pretty much stopped taking stew jobs other than on the show. I'm not certain about Hannah, but think it was likely the case with her too.
As I see it, the big difference is that on the steward side, once you reach the job of Chief Stew, you've risen as high as you can go. On the other hand with the deck crew, a bosun can continue to grown into first mate and captain jobs - so they are still growing. Sandy seems to be mistaking "here to be on TV" with the realities of the industry she works in. People on the interior crew are going to grow into other hospitality jobs that are not exclusive to boating. That does not mean they are not dedicated nor does it mean they have desires for things other than just being on TV. There are multiple career paths, and she seems to be convinced that anyone who isn't on the same path she was is clearly not dedicated.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 12, 2020 17:55:15 GMT
I’ve seen the same kind of behavior from some female leaders around Sandys age. It was explained to me once as being that when women were coming up not seeing other women leaders they were taught that sucking up was a way to get ahead. So now they believe people they lead sucking up is a way to show loyalty and a desire to move up. I think the table decor never mattered until Hannah was doing other things well. She was searching for something to hold against her. 'She' acookertv do you mean Sandy? Because OMG every FREAKING time that Sandy went passed a table Bugs had all decorated AND Hannah was in ear shot, Sandy made a point to exclaim "n ice table, Bugs" .......
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Post by acookertv on Aug 12, 2020 18:08:29 GMT
I’ve seen the same kind of behavior from some female leaders around Sandys age. It was explained to me once as being that when women were coming up not seeing other women leaders they were taught that sucking up was a way to get ahead. So now they believe people they lead sucking up is a way to show loyalty and a desire to move up. I think the table decor never mattered until Hannah was doing other things well. She was searching for something to hold against her. 'She' acookertv do you mean Sandy? Because OMG every FREAKING time that Sandy went passed a table Bugs had all decorated AND Hannah was in ear shot, Sandy made a point to exclaim "n ice table, Bugs" ....... Yes, I meant Sandy. My recollection is that last season Sandy was critical of Hannah for her leadership with her team. Hannah fixed that, and around that time Sandy went to a boat show during a break and suddenly had this passion for making sure their table decor was great. She didn't care that the boat had a VERY limited supply of decor for tables - it suddenly was the most important thing about great service. That continued into this season as Sandy saw it as a reason to keep riding Hannah.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 12, 2020 18:28:11 GMT
'She' acookertv do you mean Sandy? Because OMG every FREAKING time that Sandy went passed a table Bugs had all decorated AND Hannah was in ear shot, Sandy made a point to exclaim "n ice table, Bugs" ....... Yes, I meant Sandy. My recollection is that last season Sandy was critical of Hannah for her leadership with her team. Hannah fixed that, and around that time Sandy went to a boat show during a break and suddenly had this passion for making sure their table decor was great. She didn't care that the boat had a VERY limited supply of decor for tables - it suddenly was the most important thing about great service. That continued into this season as Sandy saw it as a reason to keep riding Hannah. EXACTLY.
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Post by mayamaisha on Aug 13, 2020 3:07:06 GMT
Sandy is there for tv.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 13, 2020 10:48:26 GMT
And since Kiko has no social media at all, it's reasonable to assume he was there for the job, not TV stardom. And yet, he didn't get encouragement and nurturing from Sandy. So clearly, she didn't realize that was her "rule" until her feet were in the fire and she had to try to justify her actions.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 18, 2020 1:21:36 GMT
Hey sandy, here’s another basic 101 lesson of firing a person - you never make it about yourself. You focus on the person at hand and nothing else. Hey sandy, you totally failed in doing it right. I don’t think I’d feel safe going out to sea with you captaining a boat. I’d be too scared the crew would conduct a well reasoned mutiny.
im liking Tom less and less as he keeps talking about Hannah walking off. Let’s not fool anyone - Malia told him what was going on.
Also laughed pretty hard at Malia pretending to be surprised there would not have been a new stew for this charter. Silly girl ... if only you were so serious about maritime law days before Hannah stood up to you on cabin assignments Sandy would have had time to fire her AND get you someone new!
Hmm ... Sandys speech didn’t go as she planned! She said she wasn’t going to go into maritime law and she went right there!
And Malia ... it’s wholly unprofessional to discuss the circumstances of a firing with crew. The only correct answer to Pete asking about it is “that’s between Hannah and Sandy”. Being the great bosun who cares so much about maritime law but not until you fight with the person who breaks it, you should know that.
Tom whines ALOT more than Kiko ever did. And kiko managed to shuck oysters just fine.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 18, 2020 2:18:05 GMT
One more comment for tonight ... I can’t get past the fact that the older guest who was walking around naked with the dildo was the FATHER of the other two men!
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 18, 2020 7:38:23 GMT
OMG Tom is INDEED a whiner......gawd.....running off to Malia telling her this is all bull&hit.....and the GUESTS aren't happy with his food. He did not shuck the oysters and the lobster was not cooked........ Wasn't he the Chef that worked under or with G Ramsey........interesting........!!!! ARE YOU WHINING ABOUT MAKING A CAKE, TOM.......give me a freaking break........ The GUESTS were rather wild throwing that dildo around all over the place........and ya NAKED DAD was.......ummm.......gross!!!! THE PREVIEWS LOOK INTENSE!!!!!
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Post by acookertv on Aug 18, 2020 10:53:37 GMT
It struck me how differently Sandy handled the critique of the food ... which again she sought from everyone at the table even though she keeps claiming that she gets feedback by going quietly to the primary after the meal. They commented about how no one listed veal on their preference sheets complained about a few things and then finally said it was very good. Had Kiko still been in the galley, the only thing she would have delivered was that they didn't request veal so why did he make veal? But since it was the chef she's determined to be the savior, all she told him was that they loved it. Hmm ...
I thought it was also interesting that last week on WWHL Malia had scoffed at Hannah's comment that if she had an issue with one of them it would be an issue with both of them. Malia claimed that they are professionals and keep the work and personal separate. And yet she was in the galley frequently and in her interview talked about having the responsibility of supporting Tom and making sure he was okay. She doesn't actually have that responsibility. Bugsy does as the chief stew!
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Post by woodiedog on Aug 18, 2020 10:55:29 GMT
Sandy could not have handled the firing of Hannah any worse. With all her experience, Sandy was a bumbling idiot with Hannah. She should have followed Hannah to her cabin for the Valium. Then she should have watched Hannah pack and get her off the boat quickly. It seemed like Hannah was on board for hours. And then Sandy steps off the boat and tries to have more conversation with Hannah? Ridiculous. The post firing meeting with the crew should have happened quicker too. I’ve been present for many firings over the years. It’s not easy. However, the manager has to stay focused and professional. Sandy needs more HR lessons.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 18, 2020 12:50:27 GMT
Good news! Kate Chastain tweeted that in September she'll be doing watch with Kate episodes featuring the most controversial episodes of Below Deck.
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Post by DoodleMom921 on Aug 18, 2020 14:10:05 GMT
Wow agree with everyone above- Sandy’s firing of Hannah was awful. I cannot believe she followed her off the dock to just berate her some more. And again she stalks the guests at meals for feedback. Looks like Tom isn’t as perfect as she hoped and certainly has that anger problem that Kiko didn’t! The after shows are back on Bravo- www.bravotv.com/below-deck-mediterranean-after-show. Sandy still thinks she was in the right and Hannah jokingly said she should have been fired for table decor since we had enough footage of that LOL
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Post by acookertv on Aug 18, 2020 17:21:10 GMT
Wow agree with everyone above- Sandy’s firing of Hannah was awful. I cannot believe she followed her off the dock to just berate her some more. And again she stalks the guests at meals for feedback. Looks like Tom isn’t as perfect as she hoped and certainly has that anger problem that Kiko didn’t! The after shows are back on Bravo- www.bravotv.com/below-deck-mediterranean-after-show. Sandy still thinks she was in the right and Hannah jokingly said she should have been fired for table decor since we had enough footage of that LOL Those were great interviews, thanks for sharing the links! it continues to bug me that Malia keeps pushing the what if’s seriousness of what Hannah did. Sure, none of them can forget that safety is their first job. But if being under the influence of a substance is such a huge and massive concern, why are they allowed to get drunk off their asses on turnovers? I realize that not being out to sea helps there, but terrible accidents can happen in dock. What if they were all drunk and passed out and another yacht rammed them causing the boat to sink? See, I can do it too. Malia also continues to fail to explain why she didn’t report the Valium as soon as she knew about it, but waited so long? When she told sandy about the panic attack, which didn’t seem to bother sandy at all until she found a way to weaponize it, why didn’t she mention the pills? And Sandy also still does not understand that her actions show her heart. Several people talked about how hard it was on Hannah when kiko was fired. If sandy truly cared about her and understood motivating a team she would have had an actual heart to heart with Hannah then. She doesn’t care about the interior crew. It will not surprise me at all if Bugsy falls down in her eyes quickly now that she can no longer win favor by simply not being hannnah.
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 18, 2020 17:29:38 GMT
One more comment for tonight ... I can’t get past the fact that the older guest who was walking around naked with the dildo was the FATHER of the other two men! What????? Oh my, I thought they were all buddies. These men are yucky. That 'boob' joke was gross. Agree with everything that has been said, the firing was horrible "you don't think I care?" Ummm....what is wrong with Sandy? They should show this in an HR video to teach people what not to do when firing someone. Especially it seems clear that she had the law as grounds for immediate dismissal, but saying that she wasn't comfortable with Hannah on the boat seemed that there could have been a warning? Well, at least Hannah doesn't have to work with Tom. And Yes I love that he is freaking out over making a cake, can't shuck an oyster and is loosing his head over a potato. To crash and burn so quickly is rather wonderful.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 18, 2020 17:54:52 GMT
Yes Beerbelly, it was their dad! In the preference sheet meeting they introduced the guests saying the primary owned a tech company, they were taking the trip to celebrate a milestone in the business, and he was travelling with his brother (who I think was his business partner?) and his father. So that man went on a trip funded by his son with a woman the age of his sons (or younger) who stripped down for pictures in the hot tub, and then he ran around naked throwing a dildo in his son's room. That's one special kind of family!
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Post by moviememories on Aug 18, 2020 18:38:27 GMT
Why was that woman getting naked in the hot tub? Was she drunk? Gross
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Post by acookertv on Aug 18, 2020 19:01:16 GMT
Why was that woman getting naked in the hot tub? Was she drunk? Gross I think there is a high likelihood they were drunk - they did have some video of them stumbling. She was posing for pics in her bathing suit, and just kept on pushing it one step further until she was naked.
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 18, 2020 20:32:34 GMT
Yes Beerbelly, it was their dad! In the preference sheet meeting they introduced the guests saying the primary owned a tech company, they were taking the trip to celebrate a milestone in the business, and he was travelling with his brother (who I think was his business partner?) and his father. So that man went on a trip funded by his son with a woman the age of his sons (or younger) who stripped down for pictures in the hot tub, and then he ran around naked throwing a dildo in his son's room. That's one special kind of family! Oh right! There was so much to this episode that I forgot that the preference sheet said 'we are a special type of family'? Which gives me some red flags. I mean, of all the things to pack...
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Post by acookertv on Aug 19, 2020 14:34:52 GMT
Hopefully this link will work - I"m not good at linking to Twitter. Anyone remember Adrienne, the very first chief stew on the first season of Below Deck? She had some great info responding to some of Sandy and Malia's claim about just how much Hannah broke the law and how serious it was -
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 19, 2020 15:07:24 GMT
Thanks for this!
She said it was too much for Twitter so she posted this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/belowdeck/comments/icolzz/below_deck_fact_vs_fiction/
Hmmm:
"It’s not “maritime law” that gave Malia, who is not the master of the vessel, the authorization to conduct a search and seizure of another crew member’s belongings. She DOES have the responsibility under maritime laws to report to the captain if she believes a crew member is abusing a substance of any kind, but that’s not what we saw Hannah doing. "
Remember when there was a crew member who was drinking - or smelled of booze on the boat? Sandy gave them a pass.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 19, 2020 15:16:46 GMT
My favorite part of that is how many times she pointed out Malia is not the master of the vessel!
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 19, 2020 15:52:52 GMT
Right????? Very detailed and answered a lot of questions. Also with the Benadryl talk of Malia - that is a 'knock-out' drug, which Valium is not. So that wasn't a good comparison.
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