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Post by karna68 on Jul 18, 2018 18:39:46 GMT
She did say she had dealt with a lot of abandonment and death with the males in her life but yeah, still...
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Post by acookertv on Jul 19, 2018 0:11:18 GMT
I tend to think that Hannah may have some stumbling blocks to falling in love, combined with being embarrassed by how she's let her personal life get in the way of doing her job. She knows that Sandy is after her, she knows she's been ineffective in leading her team. She's embarrassed and was trying to escape the mistakes she made ... but when you live on your workplace with your co-workers, it's hard to escape ... which adds to the anxiety.
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Post by IrishEyes on Jul 19, 2018 20:11:40 GMT
Sandy was good to Hannah this week. I kept waiting for the hammer to drop but I thought she did a good job trying to comfort her and then telling her to get some rest once the new charter group had gotten settled in.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 19, 2018 21:24:45 GMT
Sandy was good to Hannah this week. I kept waiting for the hammer to drop but I thought she did a good job trying to comfort her and then telling her to get some rest once the new charter group had gotten settled in. I think I agree, but part of me wondered if Sandy was truly sympathetic, of if she was coming more from a place of "I can't have this in front of guests and crew, go hide yourself" and it will come back to bite Hannah.
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Post by JustJuls on Jul 25, 2018 18:01:05 GMT
It definitely came back to bite Hannah!  Sandy went Coo Coo! She tells Conrad to have Hannah come see her immediately. Then when she gets there... "get out of my face Hannah!"  I do understand why she was upset at her. Hannah should have been back on the boat. Sandy just doesn't like Hannah though and it's apparent. She just absolutely adores Joao and Casey though and I just don't get it.  I do think that Brooke did a fantastic job taking over for Hannah. 
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Post by acookertv on Jul 25, 2018 19:52:47 GMT
Brooke is amazing and if Hannah doesn't continue with the show she'd be great cast as a chief stew. Though it's possible that she's great at the job but not necessarily being a leader. As much as I like Hannah, I wouldn't mind at all if Brooke was given that role next season. I saw both sides in the issue between Sandy and Hannah. I think that in Hannah's mind, the guests wanted her to be there, and she was being present to keep them happy, as well as doing one of the fun things in her job. In Sandy's mind, she was leaving her crew behind to do the hard work on their own. Hannah was right to ask for Sandy's blessing instead of just going. Sandy probably could have been a little more clear in her answering to Hannah. Had she said "I don't mind you having a coke with them, but then want you to come back rather than staying all day. Your crew did double duty yesterday and Brooke could use a break" woudl liekly have had more of an impact than the casual way she answered. She left room for interpretation, Hannah interpreted it as "Do whats needed to keep the guests happy". But i do think Sandy was unprofessioanl in the way she addressed Hannah when she returned. IF she knew she was that angry, she should have told COnrad to tell Hannah to go straight to her cabin and Sandy would come find her when she was ready.
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Post by momrek06 on Jul 25, 2018 21:05:58 GMT
Brooke is amazing and if Hannah doesn't continue with the show she'd be great cast as a chief stew. Though it's possible that she's great at the job but not necessarily being a leader. As much as I like Hannah, I wouldn't mind at all if Brooke was given that role next season. I saw both sides in the issue between Sandy and Hannah. I think that in Hannah's mind, the guests wanted her to be there, and she was being present to keep them happy, as well as doing one of the fun things in her job. In Sandy's mind, she was leaving her crew behind to do the hard work on their own. Hannah was right to ask for Sandy's blessing instead of just going. Sandy probably could have been a little more clear in her answering to Hannah. Had she said "I don't mind you having a coke with them, but then want you to come back rather than staying all day. Your crew did double duty yesterday and Brooke could use a break" woudl liekly have had more of an impact than the casual way she answered. She left room for interpretation, Hannah interpreted it as "Do whats needed to keep the guests happy". But i do think Sandy was unprofessioanl in the way she addressed Hannah when she returned. IF she knew she was that angry, she should have told COnrad to tell Hannah to go straight to her cabin and Sandy would come find her when she was ready.ITA acookertv That was AWFUL the way Sandy spoke to Hannah. Yes Hannah should have been back earlier as was discussed BUT my Lord, Sandy has been down right MEAN to both Conrad and Hannah. Hannah looked to be having a serious anxiety attack in her cabin and then the show ends.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 25, 2018 21:13:30 GMT
I felt really bad for Hannah and the anxiety attack. Anxiety disorder can be so misunderstood, and to have to go through it in an environment like that had to be really tough.
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 25, 2018 22:59:36 GMT
Sometimes I think Hannah can do no wrong in my eyes.
The guests like her, so why shouldn't she do what the guests want? And Captain Sandy had them leave before they saw the sunset, because she was mad at Hannah. Boo! And Hannah is Chief Stew so one day of sickness doesn't immediately demote her to doing laundry. She has paid her dues. The other two Stews are green and don't have the personality/confidence to be around guests. Plus, if she hadn't trained them both so well it would have been a disaster. Hannah gets blamed for not training her staff well when they did badly, but no kudos that they did beautifully.
I can't imagine having an anxiety attack and being trapped on a boat!
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Post by pretlitdev on Jul 27, 2018 22:58:15 GMT
Been trying to think of how I felt about this week's episode:
On the one hand, I've been so disappointed in Sandy for continuing to praise Joao and Kasey for nothing. I feel so conflicted about her-she obviously forms her opinions about people and situations based on just what's actually in front of her face instead of the whole picture. She's pretty hostile to Hannah and by default Conrad because of what happened last season which is totally unfair to Conrad. But I really appreciate her jumping in, checking on sick crew members, and helping out wherever she can. I like that she doesn't consider herself above washing dishes and I like her commitment to helping the deck crew learn about steering the boat.
On the other hand...she's right about Hannah at least. I feel like she over exaggerated that anxiety attack because she wanted a day off in bed. And everything really did run smoother with her out of the way. Kasey seems to be a whole lot more on her game and is starting to redeem herself in my eyes. She's ditzy yes and doesn't have the experience, but she seems to be picking up the pace and working hard. Even with the whole love triangle situation, she clearly responds better to Brooke as a leader.
Brooke is messy as can be in her personal life, but she's really good at her job.
Adam has done a good job cooking this charter, but he really should have had some snacks out before dinner. I don't know why they don't just have snacks out all the time in case the guests get hungry between meals.
Hannah-after being out for a full day, she shouldn't have been out with the guests doing nothing but pouring drinks all day. When Sandy said she didn't want Hannah gone for long, she should have said okay then, I need to send someone else in case they want to stay out a long time.
Joao is disgusting. I don't understand why he has to question every single thing Conrad tells him. Yes, maybe Joao knows more about some things, but he doesn't always have the same information that Conrad has, like the situation with moving the slide.
Still wish we could see more of Jamie and Colin.
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Post by boann on Aug 1, 2018 2:07:38 GMT
I’m watching the previous episodes of BDM leading up to tonight’s and seeing them all together I’ve decided that Sandy has been very passive-aggressive with both Conrad and Hannah. She tells Hannah to pursue love and then turns around and tells Conrad that her problem with him is the relationship with Hannah. Honestly it causes me anxiety to be around passive aggressive people who have authority over me.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 1, 2018 9:54:58 GMT
Totally agree! Hannah did not present a good look last night, and I thought that Conrad was exactly right in what he said to her. But the demise of Hannah does not justify Sandy's behavior. In addition to mixed messages about their relationship, unclear direction on things like going off with the guests and doing whatever is necessary to keep guests happy, she's also been inconsistent in how she's supported the crew. Hannah burned out early because of all the extra work in covering for Kasey, and Sandy's reaction was that if someone is sick there's nothing that can be done about it. But when Hannah is sick, she's supposed to feel guilt that the crew had to cover for her? Sandy created that by setting a tone of being hands off for illness, and then doing an about face. I'm glad for Conrad that he saw Hannah's true colors when he did, and is able to move on.
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Post by karna68 on Aug 1, 2018 11:55:33 GMT
I think the only thing Hannah could have done was maybe call Sandy and say "hey, the guests want us to stay out with them" I mean isn't that what it's all about is the guests? Especially repeat ones? When Sandy said, "forget about the guests" that turned me off.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 1, 2018 12:42:15 GMT
For the reunion this season, I would love it if Andy had a pre-recorded segment where Capt Lee was asked about some of Sandy's decisions. I'd like to see her answer to someone whose experience she could not dismiss critiquing her performance. I think that being on TV has gone to her head more than any other captain, but she's been dodging it by trying to claim that viewers knowledge of running a yacht is limited. That may be true - but Capt Lee knows what's what.
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 1, 2018 12:51:18 GMT
I thought it was very telling that Captain Sandy said 'Forget about the guests'. Why was she yelling at Conrad? Clearly she doesn't like him. Clearly she is making her decisions on her feelings. Although Hannah did drop a few levels in my eyes when she label drops. And she did say she pushes men away that she likes. She was just making drama for drama sake. For 50 dollars.
Also I think yelling at a Chief Stew during a charter is unprofessional, it is about the guests. It's ALL about the guests!
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Post by acookertv on Aug 1, 2018 13:16:06 GMT
Sandy has been doing A LOT to undermine her chief stew and bosun ... and then seems to wonder why they are not more respected by their teams. Every time she chooses one of the deckhands to drive the boat, talk about how great they are doing, etc, she's undermining Conrad's authority. When she ignored Hannah's legitimate complaints about Kasey, and instead praised every small effort that Kasey made along the way, she undermined Hannah's leadership of the stewards. She's sent a signal to the entire crew that they should ignore the person they directly report to and suck up to her instead. Sandy may think she's inspiring the crew that way, but all she's really doing is feeding her own ego.
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 1, 2018 13:49:26 GMT
I totally agree with you acooker! There were no repercussions that Kacey lied on her resume and that Hannah got her up to speed very quickly.
And Sandy's friends are coming on the boat again. Which means she's going to be more involved in every little detail on service.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 1, 2018 14:05:28 GMT
Involved in every detail of service AND behaving like a guest instead of the captain!
I did go to look at Capt Lee's tweets from last night, as well as Kate's. Kate tweeted that the only think she could say was no comment, and Capt Lee agreed.
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Post by JoRyMom on Aug 1, 2018 15:07:06 GMT
Yeah, although I’d love to hear Capt Lee’s thoughts on the way Sandy has handled some of this, he’s made it clear before that he won’t do that.
FWIW, Sandy does have a pinned apology to Hannah on her Twitter.
I’ve always liked Hannah (especially her first season when Julia was her second stew,) but I haven’t loved her attitude through much of this season. She was pretty defensive on WWHL last night.
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Post by annab on Aug 1, 2018 18:05:15 GMT
I think the only thing Hannah could have done was maybe call Sandy and say "hey, the guests want us to stay out with them" I mean isn't that what it's all about is the guests? Especially repeat ones? When Sandy said, "forget about the guests" that turned me off. This could have helped. Everyone is bringing up good points about Sandy. I don't disagree. However, I will say, that Sandy was pretty clear to Hannah about not being out for a long time and Hannah disregarded that. You can say it was for the sake of the guests, but if I were going to do that, I would check-in with my captain to say something rather than "just do it".
To me, Hannah comes off as I don't need to listen to Sandy or anyone else. I've done this forever, I know what I am doing, I am my own boss. That's what comes across to me. That is not the case. She is not the boss on the boat. She has a lead position, but she does answer to someone.
This is all messy because of Hannah's attitude mixed with Sandy's messiness and you get... some great drama for television .
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Post by acookertv on Aug 1, 2018 18:46:27 GMT
I think the only thing Hannah could have done was maybe call Sandy and say "hey, the guests want us to stay out with them" I mean isn't that what it's all about is the guests? Especially repeat ones? When Sandy said, "forget about the guests" that turned me off. This could have helped. Everyone is bringing up good points about Sandy. I don't disagree. However, I will say, that Sandy was pretty clear to Hannah about not being out for a long time and Hannah disregarded that. You can say it was for the sake of the guests, but if I were going to do that, I would check-in with my captain to say something rather than "just do it".
To me, Hannah comes off as I don't need to listen to Sandy or anyone else. I've done this forever, I know what I am doing, I am my own boss. That's what comes across to me. That is not the case. She is not the boss on the boat. She has a lead position, but she does answer to someone.
This is all messy because of Hannah's attitude mixed with Sandy's messiness and you get... some great drama for television .
I agree with you about Hannah's attitude. She seemed to come into this season with an attitude that she knew everything she needed to know, and if there were problems it was on the other person. I don't think that was helped at all by Sandy's refusal to back her in the issues with Kasey, but don't think it all came from that either. I'm not sure I agree with you about Sandy being pretty clear to Hannah about not being out for a long time. I do agree that in Sandy's mind she was pretty clear, but watching the tape of how she said it to Hannah, I can understand why Hannah didn't take it the way that Sandy thinks she said it. When she said "if it's just a coke" Hannah easily could have taken that to mean "Don't consume alcohol with the guests, but going with them is fine". I said last week - I think that the mistake Sandy made was that she did not verbalize the reason for her wanting Hannah to be back to the yacht was to make up for what her crew had to cover for her the day before. She said one thing, Hannah interpreted it a different way. I also think that Conrad was correct in suggesting that Sandy was probably more angry thinking that Hannah and Conrad were taking advantage of the time to be together as a couple instead of working. That was a wrong assumption, but likely fueled her anger.
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Post by karna68 on Aug 1, 2018 20:09:10 GMT
Sandy's exact words were, "just as long as it's a coke and you're not gone for hours and hours". That's why I said Hannah just should have called. I do feel that Sandy was over the line once Hannah got back.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 1, 2018 20:34:21 GMT
I don't dispute Sandy's exact words. My point is that with that being all she said, there was room for interpretation. To be honest, I think even Sandy would have to own up to that because I think that Conrad was spot on in saying that Sandy's anger came in large part from thinking Conrad and Hannah were off having fun instead of working - and the video shows her perception was wrong. I've been in Sandy's shoes as a manager before. I've had people on my team ask me for things, and my instinct is to say yes because they work hard and because saying no is not fun. But if I say yes and then feel that the yes was taken advantage of, I have an obligation to look first at whether or not I was clear in what I was agreeing to instead of putting all the blame on the person who asked.
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Post by karna68 on Aug 2, 2018 13:09:44 GMT
We'll agree to disagree, I thought "not being gone for hours and hours" was pretty clear.
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Post by newsboi on Aug 2, 2018 15:06:05 GMT
Um, the captain is always right. You're the crew, you work for the captain. They filmed the reunion this week.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 2, 2018 15:09:13 GMT
Um, the captain is always right. Your the crew, you work for the captain. They filmed the reunion this week. People can attain positions of power and still be incompetent. And people in positions of power still have a responsibility to motivate people to do great work ... not just demand / expect it. This crew is a mess in a lot of ways this season. As you said, they all work for the captain ... so that would mean the problems fall on the shoulders of the captain, which means she wasn't right about some things!
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Post by Imperfect1 on Aug 4, 2018 14:20:32 GMT
I dunno. Maybe I am not sympathetic enough to people with anxiety. Hannah needed time off because she was falling in love??? Sounds like you've never had a panic attack. Lucky you. Just so you know, panic attacks are more than just scary, they're really frightening. You feel like you're literally going to die, and it's all you can do to keep yourself under control. It seemed to me that Hannah's panic attack was pretty serious, and it DID seem to be 'set off' by her anxiety over the situation with Conrad. But once the actual panic attack sets in, whatever the initial cause, it's really terrifying until you can get it under control.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 4, 2018 15:28:53 GMT
Sandy has really SUNK to a really low level IMHO. Dropping the F BOMB as the Capt of a Charter vessel full of crew and guests I would expect ALLOT more PROFESSIONALISM from her. I am sooooooooo over Sandy. p.s. just read my post and wanted to state that first sentence was NOT a PUN!!!! 
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Post by acookertv on Aug 8, 2018 12:45:23 GMT
I wonder if it occurred to Sandy this week that she wasn't setting a very good example for Hannah being off with the guests all day on their excursion, and then hanging out with them for every meal. How much can she really come down on the other crew members leaving crew high and dry to have fun with the guests when she did even more of it. They also did a great job in the editing to back up the complaints about the other stewards doing all the work while Hannah wasn't contributing. But I wish they'd done more to emphasize that they were stuck carrying all the crap up to the picnic because Sandy was the one who said she wanted them sent instead of Hannah. With regards to Hannah blowing off work - I've heard her say a few times that she spends a lot of time planning excursions for the guests, ordering provisions etc. I do wonder how many of the times they showed Hannah on her phone she was doing those things, and how much she was blowing off work and having her own personal time. I'm split on which I think is more likely. Her explanation makes some sense ... but then I wonder why Kate never appears to requires as much time to order provisions and set up excursions.
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Post by lonnie on Aug 8, 2018 15:13:12 GMT
Hannah should have probably been more upfront with Conrad earlier on that she prefers to date rich men.
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