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Post by FireWoman on Aug 4, 2021 19:25:59 GMT
Sandy definitely sees the crew as beneath her, but she's allowed to. Rank matters a lot in her industry, and she IS ranked higher than anyone else on the yacht. I think the bigger problem is that I think Sandy sees the interior crew as inferior to the deck crew. I would not be surprised to learn that as she was coming up Sandy had some bad experiences with interior crew members who didn't treat her well because she was a woman doing the "man's" job. She comes across like she's got an ax to grind towards stewards in general. I guess I mean that she sees them all as one entity, as in they are all just beneath her rank amongst them aside that is what I mean that they are all beneath her she does not take into account their individual rank when dealing with them as a collective or problems within their group. Yes, she is a Captain and is ranked above them, but as people she feels shes above them there too. A person can have a rank or be in power but still treat people as equal on a human level. Capt Glenn does, ALL THE TIME. When he pitches in it is because he does not see himself as better as anyone else, and has said as much, they are ALL one crew (have I mentioned how much I love Capt Glenn?? hehe). Maybe she does have an axe to grind, maybe she did get treated like crap when she was coming up, and yeah it was a different time and I can see it happening but a better person, a better leader, or better captain would rise above that and try to do better, BE better. Sandy fails on so many levels for me and there is a difference in setting oneself apart and being ranked above. To me, Sandy is the former.
I am still stuck on how she allowed Lexi to intrude on Katie when she was airing a grievance to her 'boss' no other HR type person would do that or anyone else in a chain of command in a professional setting.. maybe this is something else in Maritime Law I am not familiar with.
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Post by JustJuls on Aug 4, 2021 21:14:23 GMT
I don't think Malia was sh*t stirring in this case. I think Lexi was a rude, condescending, childish person. Her "apology" was very half assed, she didn't own up to anything "because she couldn't remember" and only apologized to two people in that meeting....David and Katie. She offended the entire deck crew....but the two she DIDN'T apologize to she did the worst to imo. Stuck her boobs in Lloyd's face and called him a "pu**y" and put her hands on Mzi while offending his culture. Honestly...the moment she touched Mzi, she should have been off that boat. If he had done that to her...he would have been gone immediately. She has been given way too many outs. If she can't control herself because she is grieving...then she needs grief counseling and her family. Period. I don't disagree with your recap. That said, Lexi's worst offenses didn't come up in the meeting, and she admitted earlier that she did not remember most of what happened. So that leaves her unable to apologize for what she doesn't know she did. She got too defensive in the meeting, which took it off course and ended it before it probably should have ended. However, Sandy's plea at the end of the meeting was for everyone to move past it and work together. Had the deck crew come to Malia and told her there were still issues and the apology hadn't been sufficient, that would have been one thing. But Malia went to them looking to turn up a problem. Rather than moving on, she kept it going. In Malia's position, she's held to a higher standard. She may need to use some gossiping with the crew at times to build camaraderie - but she has to do it with a lot of discipline. Instead, I think she tries to just be one of the crew when it's convenient, but then pull rank when that serves her better. She's making matters worse. And truly - she should have acted like a grown up in the same way Katie did, sucked it up and kept rooming with Lexi. There's truly not much difference between Katie taking one for the team and Malia taking one for the team. Actually, now that I think about it - why woudln't they just have Malia and Katie room together from the start? I can see that. Lexi didn't apologize for those things because she didn't know about them and no one brought it up. Totally valid! I'm just going to blame Sandy
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Post by FireWoman on Aug 5, 2021 21:30:45 GMT
{Spoiler} Looks like BDSY is filming now!! AND my faves Colin and Daisy are back, maybe even Gary too. I am too excited I miss the Parsifal, much happier vibes than BDM. Cannot wait for it to begin airing... I hope we get early access on Peacock again too. I love the no commercial thing. screenrant.com/below-deck-sailing-yacht-daisy-colin-rumored-return/
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Post by downsey on Aug 17, 2021 14:03:00 GMT
Lexi is a narcissist. When she's rotated back to laundry and cabins, she believes it's beneath her. She's a 2nd Stew. Needs to properly tell the guest, cause their respect level goes up. Lexi is big on respect. Lexi is a muppet.
Sandy...Oh Katie don't give up on Lexi. Be a leader. Blah, blah, blah. I don't remember any Chief Stew or Bosun ever going to a Cpt to report a crew member out of nothing. Including on Cpt Sandy's boats. Usually there is more than enough reason. Sandy just digs into her mgt cliche book and avoids the problem.
Like what I saw in the previews though.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 17, 2021 14:16:23 GMT
Sandy is the captain of avoidance, that's for sure!
Lexi has not made the connection that giving respect gains respect. She's very big on everyone respecting her, but has no clue as to how to return that favor!
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 17, 2021 14:59:19 GMT
Oh my. I just started watching this season.
The Chef has issues. Why does it seem with almost every BD season the Chef has issues and threatens to leave?
LEXI .... oh wow. And we have Capt Sandy wanting KATIE to basically give Lexi a pass on her behavior. Just make up and shake hands. Whatttttttt?
I have a feeling this is going to be a very interesting season!!!!!
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Post by stacey on Aug 17, 2021 22:10:56 GMT
The stereotype is that chefs are very demanding and moody, but it seems like they have one of the best jobs on the boat. That’s not to say it isn’t demanding, but they get to have full control of their area and mostly focus on their art and passion to please the guests who are giving them a lot of money. But then again I’m not a chef so maybe all of these freak outs are warranted…
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 17, 2021 22:30:35 GMT
Ugh. So frustrating that Sandy who micromanages table decor can't help her senior staff out. Instead, she talks of 'Leadership'. So lazy. She blah blah blahs on how she wants the guests to be happy, but part of that is having the crew serve the guests in a timely fashion. They don't complain about the slide not rock hard, but not having plates at the table and having to serve their own wine. Once again, Sandy focuses on the dumb things.
Yeesh, I got a little nervous with those guests doing water sports and running around after drinking so much.
Man, Lloyd is so cute.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 17, 2021 23:42:49 GMT
The stereotype is that chefs are very demanding and moody, but it seems like they have one of the best jobs on the boat. That’s not to say it isn’t demanding, but they get to have full control of their area and mostly focus on their art and passion to please the guests who are giving them a lot of money. But then again I’m not a chef so maybe all of these freak outs are warranted… I understand that Chef's may be demanding and moody but so freaking UNprofessional to just LEAVE.....no talking to anyone. No addressing the Capt.....just pack your bags and leave. AND then decide you want to come back. Whattttttt?
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Post by acookertv on Aug 31, 2021 9:45:18 GMT
Katie has been the best chief stew Below Deck in any form has seen in a while, and Sandy is doing a lot to ensure she never comes back. It was terribly unprofessional of her to tell Katie in front of Delaney that it was totally up to her whether or not they used her given her lack of experience. Also totally unprofessional that she left the cabin assignments entirely to her. So last season when cabin assignments were going to hurt Malia, Sandy steps in. But when the whole crew is turned upside down for a corporate rule, suddenly Sandy is hands off? She sucks. It also really annoyed me that when Matt called Sandy tot the galley to tell her about his hand that Malia instantly comes racing to the galley too. She's the bosun ... not the junior captain! Annoying!
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Post by beerbelly on Aug 31, 2021 10:59:19 GMT
This was all 'hands-off in case it relates to Malia or table decor' Sandy's fault. You don't read her resume to know that this woman had no interior experience? You don't already know, or check with management about their policy on sharing cabins before a crew member steps on board? She has really set up Katie to fail time and time again. It's maniacal at this point. You can see Katie is tired, you can't step in to help just a bit?
People on Twitter were saying for Katie to fire Lexy, but Sandy did not give her the power to do so. So Katie is totally stuck.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 31, 2021 13:03:04 GMT
I keep on believing that sometime in Sandy's past she worked with a chief stew who was horrible and cruel to her, and she sees it as her opportunity now to get revenge by screwing over every chief stew she works with.
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Post by boann on Aug 31, 2021 16:03:49 GMT
With Sandy the main issue I have with her is her inconsistency. She "leaves it up to Katie," except when Katie wants to fire Lexi, then it is "part of being a good leader is learning how to bring out the best in people." She "did it with someone like Lexi" so it is a failing on the chief stew's part if they can't make it work. Joao was the first person to realize that if you suck up to Sandy, you are immune from being a difficult person to your immediate supervisor. Lexi is just the latest in a long-line of people playing this card. As others have also noted, there is a fundamental disrespect for the interior crew that isn't there with the exterior crew. Even though the chief stew is the boat manager for guest activities (which is why it is a 3-stripe position), she is treated as the head waitress and maid. The inconsistency is what makes Sandy someone who consistently undermines the chief stew.
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Post by downsey on Sept 7, 2021 17:29:39 GMT
Lexi, Lexi, Lexi. One of those people that truly think themselves a level above their peers but others see right through them. The napping...the munching on chips during her laundry shift...it got me so aggravated lol How is she getting away with it? I'm not sure about Delaney but I'd take her over Lexi. Everything about Lexi has rubbed me wrong...eating the guest food during shift, in front of the Chef...treatment of Mzi and David...burnlist...so much.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 7, 2021 18:00:44 GMT
She does a really good job of hiding a lot of her bad behavior - which kind of makes it worse because it shows that she knows it's not acceptable, but does it anyway. I'd venture to guess she's a woman whose never really ever felt the consequences of bad behavior. I noticed a couple of occasions last night when she was just standing and watching Delaney work, but the moment Katie or someone else would come around she'd shift into working to give the appearance that she'd been doing it all along.
IIRC, in the previews for the second half of the season, they show Capt Sandy saying they can do the rest of the season with one less person, so perhaps Delaney speaks up about how often she watches her work? If she does, Lexi would deserve it simply for the number of times she mispronounced Delaney's name. Something irritates me about a person who is so unaware of other people that when they hear a correct pronunciation repeatedly they don't have the self-awareness to recognize they got it wrong. Eventually she did because by the end of the episode she was saying it right. But it irritated me.
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Post by beerbelly on Sept 7, 2021 21:00:21 GMT
The mispronouncing her name got me too. In social work, you learn that when with a client that it's important to understand how the client would like to be addressed, first thing. It's so important! Just shows how self-involved Lexi is if not being an a-hat on purpose. Lexi just pretended she was Delany's supervisor and that is the only reason she was nice to her. Delany made her feel important.
And Sandy...does she have nothing better to do than freak out about a jetski? Isn't there important captain things she should be focused on? Because she is so well rested and other than steer the boat, I don't see how she has a job here. Not that I'm a huge Malia fan (although she is coming off really well this season) but instead of running to blame someone, Malia wanted it checked out. Sandy thinks this is lying and covering up for her team? What craziness is that? This is what you want to get to the bottom of? A lousy jetski? Everything else that matters, you say 'woman up' and shove off, but this is the thing that needs your captain attention? Ugh.
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Post by downsey on Sept 7, 2021 22:12:36 GMT
I was trying to stay away from discussing Cpt Sandy but I agree 100%...the jetski was sorted out in no time, no harm no foul. Sandy just seems like she's lost if she can't have a "Deep Thoughts From The Captain" moment.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 8, 2021 3:13:37 GMT
The mispronouncing her name got me too. In social work, you learn that when with a client that it's important to understand how the client would like to be addressed, first thing. It's so important! Just shows how self-involved Lexi is if not being an a-hat on purpose. Lexi just pretended she was Delany's supervisor and that is the only reason she was nice to her. Delany made her feel important. And Sandy...does she have nothing better to do than freak out about a jetski? Isn't there important captain things she should be focused on? Because she is so well rested and other than steer the boat, I don't see how she has a job here. Not that I'm a huge Malia fan (although she is coming off really well this season) but instead of running to blame someone, Malia wanted it checked out. Sandy thinks this is lying and covering up for her team? What craziness is that? This is what you want to get to the bottom of? A lousy jetski? Everything else that matters, you say 'woman up' and shove off, but this is the thing that needs your captain attention? Ugh. Lexi doesn't just pretend that she's Delaney's supervisor - she also likes her because Delaney does all her work! Numerous times Katie told Lexi to do something, and she just turned around and told Delaney to do it. Sandy has no clue that the reason her dept heads lie to her is that she blows mistakes out of proportion. Malia handled it. That's why Sandy didn't need to know who did it!
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Post by combatcutie on Sept 8, 2021 15:37:42 GMT
Just found this show a week ago. LOVE this show. We started from the first season
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Post by acookertv on Sept 8, 2021 15:39:54 GMT
Just found this show a week ago. LOVE this show. We started from the first season Glad you're enjoying it! All three versions - Below Deck, Below Deck Med, and Below Deck Sailing Yacht are absolutely worth the time!
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Post by karna68 on Sept 8, 2021 16:14:35 GMT
The older seasons of BD Med are way better than the newer seasons. Captain Sandy is beyond annoying. BD Season 6 is my favorite. Never could get into Sailing Yacht.
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 8, 2021 19:58:13 GMT
The older seasons of BD Med are way better than the newer seasons. Captain Sandy is beyond annoying. BD Season 6 is my favorite. Never could get into Sailing Yacht. I love BDSY, its my fave of the 3. I got really sick of Kate on OG BD, not to mention her replacement is not much better. I do like Eddie, maybe not as much after the whole and Capt Sandy is about the worst and she is slowly killing BDM for me I love Daisy, Colin, and Capt Glen on BDSY... plus I LOVE me a nice sail boat
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Post by acookertv on Sept 8, 2021 20:07:07 GMT
I loved loved loved Kate, but she definitely got burned out and it took away from her likability on the show.
How did Sandy change your view of Eddie?
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Post by karna68 on Sept 8, 2021 23:52:18 GMT
Sandy killed BDM for me a couple seasons ago.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 0:10:20 GMT
I disagree. I can’t stand Sandy and have said too much here about all the flaws I see in her. But they edit the show in a way that IMO makes disliking her enjoyable to watch. She’s not particularly cruel. She’s just incompetent and it can be amusing to watch.
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 9, 2021 13:07:37 GMT
I loved loved loved Kate, but she definitely got burned out and it took away from her likability on the show. How did Sandy change your view of Eddie? oops! I don't know how I deleted it but it should have said after his whole Rocky hook up situation. She was mental and he was in a long term relationship just showed me that even nice guys have a bit of a$$hole in them. And I realllly liked him, it was unfortunate.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 13:20:34 GMT
Yes, he was definitely messy back then! That's one thing I have to say I really like about the show. They will bring back a person like Eddie after he's matured and grown and show what a difference a few years can make. Along those lines but the opposite side, they will also bring back people like Malia or Ashton in a promoted role and show how a promotion can really go to a person's head and change them. I like seeing both ends of that!
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 9, 2021 16:52:18 GMT
Yes, he was definitely messy back then! That's one thing I have to say I really like about the show. They will bring back a person like Eddie after he's matured and grown and show what a difference a few years can make. Along those lines but the opposite side, they will also bring back people like Malia or Ashton in a promoted role and show how a promotion can really go to a person's head and change them. I like seeing both ends of that! Eddie I do see as having gone through a redemption arc, but having been so well loved prior helps I think. Eddie was never a total dip$hit, he did his job well, he was respected and was respectful, he was always just a great guy. People like Ashton and Malia will always have a stigma about them with their past actions. I NEVER liked Asnton I think he is nearly as toxic as Lexi in a different way. He can try and say he isn't misogynistic and he doesn't have issues but the fact is he is and he needs to really look at his drinking problems. Malia is a little turd who will always brownnose her way to the top. She does her job well, but that does not (to me at least) negate the person she is, or is shown to be. This isn't all about Hannah and the cabin situation and what not but it is part of it. Maybe their actual job performance merited a promotion but, you are right here, it does go to their heads. Malia has been palatable this season but I still cannot think about her other misadventures too. It also helps that she has the best deck crew ever this season, them being good at their jobs and being great people to watch help her look good too. I really do love the deck crew this season.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 9, 2021 16:57:04 GMT
Malia is the one I think changed the most going from deck hand to bosun. In the season she was a deck hand she just worked to fit in as the woman on a crew of men, got into a love triangle, and did her job. When she came back as bosun, her head swelled and she became Capt Sandy's shadow. Ashton def had his problems as a deck hand - but also got a lot of sympathy because of the whole falling off the boat almost dying thing. But as bosun, his swelled head definitely amplified his issues.
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 9, 2021 18:38:36 GMT
Malia is the one I think changed the most going from deck hand to bosun. In the season she was a deck hand she just worked to fit in as the woman on a crew of men, got into a love triangle, and did her job. When she came back as bosun, her head swelled and she became Capt Sandy's shadow. Ashton def had his problems as a deck hand - but also got a lot of sympathy because of the whole falling off the boat almost dying thing. But as bosun, his swelled head definitely amplified his issues. I am torn with both her and Sandy.. even some of the other female decks... because even if I have never been in their position I can respect how hard it can be for a female in that world. I REALLY wanted to like Sandy, I truly did! I think it is awesome that a woman has achieved what she has in that world. I also love it wan she allows the deck crew to drive the boat or take it into dock, or out of dock.. its a nice way to show someone you trust them and want to help them get ahead. Even her interactions with João (another deckie I was not a fan of at all, he wasn't as toxic as some but he was a something) and helping him get a job when the season was over. I just wish she dealt with ALL the employees like this, but as was mentioned many times she has issues with her interior staff. Sandy could have really showed what a woman in this field can be and could accomplish but now she looks like a micromanaging, table décor obsessed, stew hating Dupa Jaś.
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