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Post by acookertv on Nov 9, 2021 11:51:56 GMT
I agree with you! Heather does take an approach where she's almost entirely charter guest facing while the stews do a lot of support work ... but getting all those drinks and answering all those requests is work! I know a lot of it can be editing, but we used to see Hannah sitting on a lot of smoke breaks gossiping about crewmembers. I'm not seeing that with Heather! Fraser also said he's now a chief stew. I think what we're seeing in him is a guy who had decided he was ready for a promotion, and was going to nitpick every single thing Heather did based on how he'd lead. I wonder if he applied for the show wanting to be the chief stew?
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Post by downsey on Nov 9, 2021 15:14:01 GMT
Fraser reminds me of Bugsy...and for me that is a nightmare. The behind the back cuts Bugsy directed at Hannah were brutal and strategic (she wanted to be seen as a hero). Fraser also wants to be seen as a hero. Still not feeling Heather though, far too impressed by herself. Hannah still retains the Crown for being my favourite Chief Stew of all times. Getting a sense that Jessica is a weird woman.
And how about those guests? They are on a charter presumably to promote their business/careers and that's the image they decided to go with? Rehab rather than a charter may have been a better choice.
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Post by woodiedog on Nov 9, 2021 19:05:38 GMT
Who would want these realtors representing them? They were so awful. Captain Lee outed them in the planning meeting. You can easily google them. I hope they are embarrassed for their behavior.
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Post by FireWoman on Nov 10, 2021 18:01:32 GMT
I may be in the extreme minority here but I love Fraser. He and Rayna are my early faves. I do like Jess a lot too, now that we see her out of the laund. I agree with Fraser on being taken away, again and again, from doing turndowns. The reason they do them at dinner/meals is so ONE person can get in and get it done. It serves no real purpose to leave one in the laundry, which can wait as it has no impact on the guests at the immediate time, and pull the one doing the cabins. Heather is so meh to me. I hate her singsong talk, I am so distracted by half of her upper lip when she talks, I hate her lack of self-awareness. I have no issue with the Stews that delegate and all, but learn to do it properly. Based on WWHL Fraser said she did like no work. Even if taken with a grain of salt, I don't think it is too far from the truth.
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Post by beerbelly on Nov 17, 2021 0:01:50 GMT
I like Heather, I thought how she handled those Jack-faces was really great. I think her service is on point as well. She just needs a little organization.
Those guests were so bad, and I am so surprised at how much some people can drink and still stand. And then they get up and drink more. When you are drinking liquor out of a thermos, it is time to really think about your drinking. Not to mention being talked to about your behavior by a fellow adult.
Eddie is so good, he put in time with the crew but doesn't cross the line. Looks like he learned his lesson from his Rocky beginning. (See what I did there????)
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Post by acookertv on Nov 17, 2021 2:04:51 GMT
Nice pun Beerbelly!!! And I think you’re exactly right with Heather. She’s really good at most of her job, but her weak spot is her assumption that everyone else knows what she does and would do things the same way she does.
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Post by beerbelly on Nov 17, 2021 11:44:49 GMT
And I get that you need to be pulled off at certain points, but some things are constant. You know the guests will sit down to eat at a certain time, so you can at least manage that so everyone knows what to do and what is coming so they can manage their time.
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Post by downsey on Nov 30, 2021 16:00:13 GMT
It seems a strange season to me. Heather and Fraser are admittedly not my favs. One of the reasons why is that there doesn't seem to be any sense of team. Jess is weird but hardly the weirdest third stew we've seen, nor the laziest. Heather and Fraser have decided she's useless (and from the previews...maybe she is) and that has given the interior a weird vibe. Fraser is only happy when he's bitching about someone else. Heather doesn't seem to know how to relate to her staff or be able to really pour on a charm offensive with the guests.
Deck Crew just seem to be getting on with it but making small mistakes along the way. They all seem to be looking at Eddie as their leader, including Jake. Wes seems alright. Jake seems alright. Rayna is sinking in my polls since the start of the season.
I was a server for 5 years, thru Uni and trying to find a "real" job. Some staffs just gelled...great service, great bonds. Some staffs were just there...bland, capable but bland. I think this crew is the later.
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Post by JustJuls on Dec 5, 2021 6:37:02 GMT
I'm only enjoying Captain Lee, Eddie and Rachel
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Post by holly on Dec 5, 2021 17:10:25 GMT
I'm only enjoying Captain Lee, Eddie and Rachel I didn’t like Rachel last season, because was a bit too crude. Either she’s dialed it back or they’ve edited it out. Either way, I’m really enjoying her this season. I called it that this deck crew was gonna be messy, & my oh my, they are. Frazer has grown on me, Heather still grates on me, it not as much as before. I still find her mouth completely distracting though. Jess can go at any time. She’s just such a Debbie Downer. She acts like she’s 80 y/o.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 5, 2021 17:46:29 GMT
I think she’s acting like an 80 year old because before joining g the crew she was spending so much time with her grandparents. One of the downsides of yacht life is time away from family, and I think she’s feeling it. She probably went back to work too soon being away from her grandparents.
On WWHL this week the suggestion was made that Rachel should go on Top Chef. Andy hinted it’s been discussed. I’d love to see it.
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Post by boann on Dec 7, 2021 18:23:17 GMT
Hannah recently interviewed Fraser on her podcast. Fraser is growing on me and did own his attitude at the beginning of the season.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 7, 2021 18:44:30 GMT
I loved the interaction between Eddie and Capt Lee last night. Capt Lee was subtle in his management lesson, but it was such a good one. Eddie's strength as a leader has always been the way he leads the team doing everything with them. He's feeling the pressure this year being a first officer and is trying to conduct himself more like a Captain. It's not working. I loved that Lee told him that if heads needed to roll he'd roll them, but that Eddie needed to figure out how to get them to do what they need to do. he's got a new title, but the same role. I think / hope Eddie was smart enough to be humble and understand that!
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Post by beerbelly on Dec 9, 2021 0:18:00 GMT
Captain Lee is so good!!! Perfect advice for Eddie, and wow, I have never seen Eddie blow is cool like that. Also, I loved Captain Lee doing the dishes (and not making a big deal about it....Sandy) and how he noticed the laundry room and complemented Fraiser on it. Speaking of the laundry room, Fraiser made some magic, forget about the slide, let me see an organized laundry room! Very impressive.
I don't like how Heather is bad-mouthing Jess to Fraiser. As much as you want to confide in someone you manage, you just can't.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 9, 2021 2:24:28 GMT
Totally agree with you on the bad mouthing thing! They should follow the Saving Private Ryan rule - complaints go up, not down. The chief stew and bosun or first officer should confide in each other. They can pull in the chef at times too. But no one else!
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Post by JustJuls on Dec 14, 2021 20:35:04 GMT
Bravo really messed up this season. They got WAY too many unlikeable people. I'm having a really hard time holding on here.... I'm only here for Captain Lee and all his "god damns"
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Post by beerbelly on Dec 14, 2021 23:54:47 GMT
Yeesh. Is that deckhand's name Rayna? She is horrible. She is kissing ass to Eddie and then the next second badmouthing him, she isn't doing a good enough job to be complaining about everything and everybody. I did like how Eddie kept the focus on her work and how she has potential.
I am sure, is her name Jess? Third stew? feels ganged up upon since she is getting feedback from both Heather and Fraiser. And then to pop up when they are talking about her...horrible.
You are right Juls...not a lot of people to like here...
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Post by JustJuls on Dec 15, 2021 0:27:13 GMT
Rayna just complains too much. She could be likeable if she wasn't constantly eye rolling and making excuses for her work. Eddie handled her perfectly, imo. Of course I cringed when Heather said the N word. I couldn't believe she said it. I don't know if she was just really drunk (she was sucking down that straight vodka) or if this is custom for her but she did seem surprised that she had said it. No excuse though. However, I didn't like how Rayna then went around to everyone and made that HER excuse for her mood. After having a really great talk (imo) with Eddie she leaves there saying "he just doesn't get it." Actually he did. But he circled back to making it about her work ethic and her facial expressions which was the whole point of the conversation to begin with. Maybe I'm being insensitive to it as well? Jess absolutely drives me nuts. I get that Fraser and Heather talk crap about her and she feels picked on but like ...have a personality or something Her and whatshisface really are perfect for each other. He is the dullest person to ever be on the show. Also the slowest. And with no game whatsoever. Fraser is growing on me though.
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Post by momrek06 on Dec 15, 2021 2:37:06 GMT
Rayna just complains too much. She could be likeable if she wasn't constantly eye rolling and making excuses for her work. Eddie handled her perfectly, imo. Of course I cringed when Heather said the N word. I couldn't believe she said it. I don't know if she was just really drunk (she was sucking down that straight vodka) or if this is custom for her but she did seem surprised that she had said it. No excuse though. However, I didn't like how Rayna then went around to everyone and made that HER excuse for her mood. After having a really great talk (imo) with Eddie she leaves there saying "he just doesn't get it." Actually he did. But he circled back to making it about her work ethic and her facial expressions which was the whole point of the conversation to begin with. Maybe I'm being insensitive to it as well? Jess absolutely drives me nuts. I get that Fraser and Heather talk crap about her and she feels picked on but like ...have a personality or something Her and whatshisface really are perfect for each other. He is the dullest person to ever be on the show. Also the slowest. And with no game whatsoever. Fraser is growing on me though. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10310481/Below-Deck-star-Heather-Chase-apologizes-saying-N-word-Rayna-Lindsey.htmlI am so beyond in my watching of BD but I saw this this morning on Daily Mail and I cannot believe it would be something Heather would ever say.
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Post by beerbelly on Dec 15, 2021 11:18:22 GMT
ITA Juls.That was a great talk with Eddie and one that if I had with my supervisor, I would have been happy about. I really thought Eddie did a great job with her, it looks like he is taking notes from Captain Lee.
Yeesh. Saying the N word. I feel like that is a sit-down conversation with Heather, for them to talk about it. Telling everyone she said it isn't helpful to either party.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 15, 2021 11:55:26 GMT
I agree that Eddie did a great job in that discussion, but the one place I thought he dropped the ball slightly was in how quickly he reacted after she brought up Heather using the n word. He jumped in very quickly there to cover himself saying had not heard it and would have said something. I think he would have been wise to have given the time to listening to her really speak about how she felt in that moment. After she got it out, there was time for him to say he hadn't heard it and would have done something. But I think some of the problem is that Rayna doesn't feel heard. In that moment - she wasn't. It was addressed and he had her back. But she was still left to work through all the emotions she felt over that without an outlet.
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Post by queens on Dec 17, 2021 4:26:17 GMT
I didn't see the episode yet... but reading what was stated above, it was stupid for Heather to say that. Though it was not said in a racist type of way and repeating song lyrics isn't racist also. So if Rayna was trying to imply that Heather was being a racist, that sounds ridiculous. Coming from a POC such as myself, maybe no one should use the word period.
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Post by JustJuls on Dec 17, 2021 4:47:19 GMT
This is my feeling as well but I never feel like I have the "right" to say that.
It's just like that quote that I can't stand "Do as I say, not as I do." ..which has never made sense to me.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 17, 2021 11:38:16 GMT
I think that Heather naively thought that saying it like she did would bond her with Rayna, as if Rayna would think she were cool for knowing the lyric. Stupid move. I'd agree that it doesn't show her to be a horrible racist. But it does show her as not being very sensitive to what does and does not connect her to other people.
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Post by downsey on Dec 21, 2021 14:58:42 GMT
I didn't mind Jess' abrupt bail that left Heather and Fraser in the lurch. She wasn't enjoying the job, heard Heather and Fraser talking about her. Heather's motivational speeches were crap (time to take off the training wheels ect). I'm not a fan of quitters but fair enough.
Rayna is her own worst enemy. Heather shouldn't have used the N word but it seems Rayna is using it as a shield or weapon depending on what Rayna's done. Rayna brings it up when she has been asked to work harder or not be rude to others.
Why would you go on a very expensive holiday if your jaw is wired??? Has to be the lure of tv cameras.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 21, 2021 15:12:05 GMT
Hadn't they booked the trip before they knew her jaw would be wired shut? I thought they said in the preference sheet meeting that she'd had a bike accident. So they probably booked it, invited everyone, then the accident happened and they didn't want to cancel. That part, I got. The problem was that Rachel knew exactly how to accommodate her, but the guests would not allow her to do it right. Rachel was prepared to provide her with constant nourishment which would have kept her from feeling hungry, but she wanted to pretend things were normal and be on an unrealistic time frame. It's her fault for not following the advice of the experts!
Jess bailing reminded me of Caroline bailing the season with Kate and Josiah. While I can understand why she left, and I do agree that Heather is suffering the consequences of not wanting to deal with her struggling, she was wrong and unprofessional in the way she went about it. I don't understand how she was able to pack faster than Heather was able to tell Capt Lee (unless they flipped the time frame in editing, and she actually packed before she told Heather) but I don't think it's ever acceptable to leave a job without saying goodbye to the Captain. I do wonder though, from the clips shown in the second half of the season trailer, if she comes back. They show Heather reacting saying she didn't have a choice and needed another stew - is it possible that the charter company tells Lee that she made herself available for a charter and she's all they can offer?
I think what we saw in Rayna last night is the consequence of Eddie not listening to her last week. I said then he was great, but cut her off too fast in her talking about hearing that word. Had he listened to her, had he shown her empathy and THEN said he did not hear it or he would have reacted, I think she'd have an easier time getting past it. She's imploding right now because she does not feel heard. The best way to address that problem is to listen.
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Post by FireWoman on Dec 21, 2021 21:27:27 GMT
I think the question of professionalism went out the window when Jess walked in on Heather, her boss, talking trash about her to her co-worker. Jess had to work with Frasier daily... to have her superior airing dirty laundry like that to him is just as unprofessional. Total power move by Jess, and I hate to say I think she did fine. SHould she have said bye to Capt Lee, sure, but maybe he was not open to see her.. there is much we do not know. Much like Heather not telling Lee the whole story. Heather is a piss poor manager, she also thinks too highly of herself in regards to her position. She brags that she is a Chief Stew at such a young age.. well IMO in positions like this with age wisdom comes too and she is lacking there... and I still cannot stand her upper lip.. soooo distracting. Her using her fork, out of her mouth, and hands in the bowl of food last night made me want to gag. The she runs off after being called out like a spoiled brat "sorry I am too busy to be sanitary" like it is going to excuse such awful behaviour, and in a Pandemic!
I really want to like Rayna, but she has a bad habit of blaming other people for the fact she is not a good worker. Like I mean I would LOVE to chill and hang with her but I would never want to work with her.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 21, 2021 21:32:53 GMT
Yes, it was unprofessional of Heather and Frasier to vent about her - but it's also something we've seen repeatedly on various seasons of Below Deck. I don't subscribe to the idea that once one person is unprofessional, no one needs to be. Jess is responsible for her actions. By giving so little notice and not bothering to say goodbye to ANYONE, she made choices that reflect on her, not Heather. Honestly, a professional would be honest about what happened and why she was leaving. Ghosting the yacht perpetuates what is happening. Saying goodbye to Capt Lee and taking an opportunity to let him know what she heard and how she felt about it would give Lee a chance to make it better for the next stew. Jess made it all about her.
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Post by woodiedog on Dec 26, 2021 23:26:19 GMT
The lady with her jaw wired shut. Lots of sympathy for her but she should have been supplementing with high protein shakes. Why she tried to eat everything the rest of the guests were eating was ridiculous. Oysters in a blender? Yuk! When service is up, I’d like to see everyone be more sanitary. Did I see a crew member moon another crew member during service? I assume everyone is tested for COVID, but it would be nice to wash hands, keep hair tied and away from face, and minimal time in the kitchen area.
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Post by JustJuls on Dec 27, 2021 7:15:17 GMT
I had a root canal go wrong which got infected and then caused my jaw to lock. For 3 weeks. And then after it started moving again it took a month for it to open back to normal. It was the most excruciating thing (besides child birth) that I have gone through.
I know that our situations were different but I can't imagine #1: going on a trip like that with lock jaw #2: expecting a chef to know how to handle a person with their jaw wired shut within hours of them getting on board #3: drinking whatever was served.
Rachel could have made her some absolutely amazing soups and other dishes. Instead she insisted on eating everything in smoothie form and then upset when it had to be strained a much and was late to the table. Eat yummy pureed soup like I did!
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