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Post by beerbelly on Dec 27, 2021 13:39:40 GMT
Also, can you imagine catching Covid with your mouth wired shut? That would certainly keep me from traveling.
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Post by JustJuls on Dec 27, 2021 20:39:41 GMT
Did she have Covid?!?!
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Post by beerbelly on Dec 27, 2021 21:34:37 GMT
No, not that I know of, but I wouldn't take the risk...
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 4, 2022 6:31:27 GMT
Ok. I 100% do not want to or mean to come off insensitive buuuutttt I'm tired of hearing about it from Rayna. The first apology from Heather wasn't so great or heart felt but the second one was. If you are going to accept an apology then really accept it. If you are still struggling with it then you need to tell that person when they are right there in front of your face asking to talk about it. Heather can't win now. She's apologized...Rayna has accepted. But still talks about it to everyone else.
I also could have done without seeing Rayna and whatshisbutt have sex.
More Eddie and Rachel please.
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Post by acookertv on Jan 4, 2022 11:50:24 GMT
Who would have thought last season we'd want more Eddie and Rachel? Three cheers for Rachel for learning, growing, and not drinking on a day off.
I half way agree with you on Rayna and Heather. I don't know if I can give Heather as much credit as you for a heartfelt second apology. The problem I had with it was that it was so much about her. Her emotions were not coming from the hurt she caused Rayna - it was from the impact it had on HER. So from that respect, I totally get where Rayna was coming from. However, I agree with you completely on the question of Rayna's response to it. Once a person chooses to accept an apology, it's time to move on. Rayna needs to accept some responsibility for letting the moment go without voicing to Heather why she was falling short, and helping her to recognize that focusing on the impact on herself was the wrong place to focus. There I will give Rayna a LITTLE bit of a pass because they sat down aware that everyone was ready to go and their conversation was holding them up. So in that respect, Heather chose a bad time to have the conversation (Rachel was right there when she encouraged Heather to talk to her the night before). But she chose to let Heather think they were moving on - she needed to participate in that.
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Post by downsey on Jan 4, 2022 16:44:29 GMT
I wouldn't discuss the weather with Rayna unless I had a witness. I don't like Heather at all and she deserves all the heat for using that word even if she was drunk. My friends and I have been drunk...nobody has ever used that word. The word has to be in you to come out. That said...I'm not convinced Rayna was all that "hurt" by Heather's use of the word. I don't think Rayna liked Heather at all and then used the situation to shield herself. Rayna is using Heather's 'slip" as a get out of jail free card". When she messes up or gets called on her attitude she reaches for "Heather said" the word. Eddie sensed it and maybe didn't address it as safely as he should have and now Rayna drags him into the problem as though he said it too. Yes...more Eddie and Rachel. I can't believe that Rachel has won me over.
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 5, 2022 4:33:49 GMT
Who would have thought last season we'd want more Eddie and Rachel? Three cheers for Rachel for learning, growing, and not drinking on a day off. I half way agree with you on Rayna and Heather. I don't know if I can give Heather as much credit as you for a heartfelt second apology. The problem I had with it was that it was so much about her. Her emotions were not coming from the hurt she caused Rayna - it was from the impact it had on HER. So from that respect, I totally get where Rayna was coming from. However, I agree with you completely on the question of Rayna's response to it. Once a person chooses to accept an apology, it's time to move on. Rayna needs to accept some responsibility for letting the moment go without voicing to Heather why she was falling short, and helping her to recognize that focusing on the impact on herself was the wrong place to focus. There I will give Rayna a LITTLE bit of a pass because they sat down aware that everyone was ready to go and their conversation was holding them up. So in that respect, Heather chose a bad time to have the conversation (Rachel was right there when she encouraged Heather to talk to her the night before). But she chose to let Heather think they were moving on - she needed to participate in that. Yes. I totally get that and agree. I LOVED that Rachel had coffee instead of drinking!
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Post by mayamaisha on Jan 5, 2022 20:20:49 GMT
Rayna needs to go somewhere and sit down and get herself together. Very disappointed in how Rayna is using this incident. She needs to stop playing games and grow up. Take a stand one way or the other.
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Post by acookertv on Jan 11, 2022 2:34:17 GMT
I am loving management school with Capt Lee this year!!! It’s great to see him investing in Eddie like that, and he’s really sharing some great wisdom.
After listening to Wes on WWHL explain the big switch from coming down on the crew to suddenly giving them chances to do new things, I better understood Rayna having such a negative reaction to Capt Lee praising her for the anchor. In hindsight, it would have been wise for Eddie to follow up the “time to step up” lecture saying he’d give them opportunities to show what they could do, but needed more focus in return. It would have seemed less like mixed messaging.
That said, I think at this point Rayna needs some serious maturing to succeed in this line of work. She seems to be interpreting EVERY action as being focused and inspired on her. She’s had some legitimate complaints, but some of her unhappiness comes from not realizing many on the crew are way too busy to be as focused on her as she seems to think.
Props to Rachel once again for diffusing tension over dinner with an entertaining greeting to the table after dinner!
Heather needs to realize that being great is far more valuable than being right. Eddie gave her GREAT advice about being mindful of Fraser’s feelings with the new stew coming on. She would have been wise to hear him complaining but kept it to herself, and just given him the speech about this being an opportunity for him to teach without him ever knowing she heard him. She also REALLY should have double checked the preference sheets before correcting the guest who complained about service.
Lastly in my long commentary - I want to defend the picky eater charter guest a little bit. I have a friend who is allergic to shell fish to a life threatening degree. I’ve eaten with her before where things started out shaky communicating clearly whether something had she’ll fish or not. It creates a fear that food limitations are not truly respected by the staff, and can create a fear to eat. So between the confusion and then Heather being wrong in correcting it, I can understand how she lost her appetite. She didn’t get a great edit, but I could understand her.
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 11, 2022 6:41:36 GMT
I have nothing to add. I think you hit it spot on. Although I didn't watch WWHL tonight...maybe I will now because I can't understand at all why giving her an opportunity and then highly praising her would result in yet another complaint. I wish I didn't have to listen to Wes in order to get the answer  I might have PTSD from Kyland from BB and his long drawn out speech.
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Post by acookertv on Jan 11, 2022 11:53:17 GMT
I have nothing to add. I think you hit it spot on. Although I didn't watch WWHL tonight...maybe I will now because I can't understand at all why giving her an opportunity and then highly praising her would result in yet another complaint. I wish I didn't have to listen to Wes in order to get the answer  I might have PTSD from Kyland from BB and his long drawn out speech. In case you haven't yet, I'll save you the struggle of listening to Wes!  What he said was that very little time went by between being told they had to be doing better and change their attitudes and the anchor being pulled up. So the lecture was very fresh in their minds - especially for Rayna since eye rolling was specifically mentioned. So to go from being told all eyes were on you to quickly being given a task that you'd never done before played with nerves quite a bit. She succeeded at it - but went in feeling she was set up to fail and had no room for error.
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Post by downsey on Jan 11, 2022 18:19:35 GMT
I'm not quite as forgiving towards Rayna, she knows how to manipulate a situation. Even with regards to Jake/Fraser...she knows what she's doing. You can't argue that she has a very poor attitude...the eye rolling, muttering under her breath, going individually to castmates to present her "truth" about conversations she's had with Heather, Eddie, Capt ect. Eddie pulled them aside to address issues the captain had, regarding headphones, smartphones and "eye rolling". Eddie didn't "come down on them"...he didn't raise his voice but she went to Wes to stir it up as something harsher/unfair. I worry that Wes is being dragged into by her. Rayna is a cancer amongst the crew. I'm not looking forward to Eddie having to talk to her...I have a feeling we are going to see Rayna create a story about how life has been so hard...Heather used "the word"...on a previous ship she has to endure blah blah blah. If I was Eddie I'd be very careful.
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Post by beerbelly on Jan 11, 2022 18:23:20 GMT
When I was listening to the 'step it up' talk, I had thought that it was very soft and light. Ha, what do I know?
Plus, this isn't the first time they have made mistakes, and instead of thinking 'crap, we better step it up' they think 'why are they coming down on us?' and I don't think only Rayna thinks this way, I think they all do except for Eddie. I agree, I think it's a maturity problem. Doesn't help that the lead deckhand gets drunk and fools around with his crew, that never works out.
I was so confused with all of the dietary constraints, what was that woman's dietary issue?
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Post by acookertv on Jan 11, 2022 18:27:10 GMT
I think you’re right on a lot of that, and I think that’s why Capt Lee told Eddie that he needed to talk to her now. Eddie has grown a lot, and I think he’s really a good leader. But he’s definitely unsure right now as to how to rise to the next level of leadership and is not wildly comfortable with the tough conversations. While I give him credit for having his lead deckhand take the lead in laying out Lees expectations so that Rayna and Wes had it reinforced he’s in a position of authority, it also helped Eddie avoid being the bad guy. He probably should have backed him up with some words of his own so it was clear. He needs to take a voice with the deck crew similar to what he does with Heather.
I also have to reverse my empathy based on Wes WWHL comments. He had me going with the direction being sudden. But they had the discussion about deck crew conduct before dinner. Rayna was asked to do the anchor the next morning. Enough time had gone by. So that was pure immaturity!
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Post by acookertv on Jan 11, 2022 21:14:36 GMT
When I was listening to the 'step it up' talk, I had thought that it was very soft and light. Ha, what do I know? Plus, this isn't the first time they have made mistakes, and instead of thinking 'crap, we better step it up' they think 'why are they coming down on us?' and I don't think only Rayna thinks this way, I think they all do except for Eddie. I agree, I think it's a maturity problem. Doesn't help that the lead deckhand gets drunk and fools around with his crew, that never works out. I was so confused with all of the dietary constraints, what was that woman's dietary issue? You're right about the step it up talk - it's hard to tell how much was said that didn't make the edit! After all, they were talking about how Eddie came down on them, but from what we saw, it was primarily Jake who was talking. So was there a lot of the meeting we didn't see? Or were they just determined to interpret it negatively? If what we saw was all that happened, I think there could have been a little more to the conversation. For example - instead of just saying not to wear ear buds, include the context that it's a safety issue. Those details can be the difference between being controlled and being guided. I see that as more Eddie's responsibility than Jakes.
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 11, 2022 21:23:36 GMT
Weren't those head phones for the silent disco party or whatever it was?
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Post by acookertv on Jan 11, 2022 21:26:56 GMT
The clip they showed when Capt Lee mentioned it was Jake and Wes on the deck in their deck uniforms, so I don't think so. They may have originally come on board for that party, but appeared to be used during work on the deck.
My question there is, why not address those offenses as they happen? First time you see a crew member with headphones, tell them headphones are not allowed when on duty because you have to hear alarms. Nip it in the bud before it becomes a norm you're seen as taking away. Which leads to the question - why didn't Eddie know it was a no no?
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Post by mayamaisha on Jan 11, 2022 21:34:59 GMT
Heather is not the best chief stew. The way she looked at the guest when discussing the preference sheet was horrible. The crew this season lacks finesse. SMH Although, Rachel is a rockstar!
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Post by acookertv on Jan 11, 2022 21:54:20 GMT
I'll admit at the beginning of the season I didn't understand the hate for Heather, but I'm starting to understand it. What I saw at first as just wanting to get things done I'm now starting to see as unearned self-promotion / protection.
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 11, 2022 23:15:34 GMT
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 11, 2022 23:16:35 GMT
So Bravo wanted to make it a storyline....
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Post by acookertv on Jan 12, 2022 1:23:34 GMT
Which conversation is Eddie saying was 30 minutes? The one in his room where she brought up Heathers use of the word?
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 12, 2022 2:01:21 GMT
I don't know...I didn't read the article
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Post by acookertv on Jan 12, 2022 2:46:30 GMT
My guess would be it was the first talk they had. That’s where she told him about what happened, and it came across like he dismissed her. So I could understand him wanting to defend himself. It would also explain why he started being more vocal in guiding Heather. If he couldn’t make her go away, he could at least try to make her better.
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Post by mayamaisha on Jan 12, 2022 6:31:40 GMT
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Post by cavendish on Jan 12, 2022 6:43:54 GMT
I’m absolutely not clear why everyone just blew off heather’s use of the “N” word. Even if rayna didn’t raise it the next day — or the context wasn’t clear—it by no means gave everyone else a pass to go on as if nothing had happened. Rayna had a bad attitude from day 1– and her attitude was at least partly caused bu immaturity and also a way of coping by both feeling put upon and villainizing others if when things weren’t going her way.
Nonetheless it was on all of them to step back and call a major time out so that the use of the “N” word could be recognized and adequately dealt with. At the very least Eddie should have notified capt lee that a very serious line had been crossed and that something needed to be done to rectify the situation. But it was incumbent on any or all of them to make sure this wasn’t treated as ordinary course. Aside from how it affected rayna—although something should have been done also if she felt she the need to have some help with it. That was a serious breach. And I’m really surprised at the blindness everyone showed to that fact
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 12, 2022 20:35:02 GMT
Reading that article above did clear things up a bit. Eddie DID want to notify Capt Lee and apparently production stepped in. Interesting, right?
I just wish the word wouldn't be used all the way around. I think it's difficult for some (especially todays youth) to understand the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality that comes along with it. It's in so many songs that all different ethnicities listen to....especially when their peer group is black and it's part of the lingo. Heather was absolutely in the wrong for saying it. But I hope that Rayna has also learned to avoid it as well.
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Post by acookertv on Jan 12, 2022 21:23:40 GMT
Reading that article above did clear things up a bit. Eddie DID want to notify Capt Lee and apparently production stepped in. Interesting, right? I just wish the word wouldn't be used all the way around. I think it's difficult for some (especially todays youth) to understand the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality that comes along with it. It's in so many songs that all different ethnicities listen to....especially when their peer group is black and it's part of the lingo. Heather was absolutely in the wrong for saying it. But I hope that Rayna has also learned to avoid it as well. Great point. I have to say I've been very proud on a couple of occasions when I've been with my nephew listening to him sing along with a song - that word comes up and he skips right over it silently. That's the only option. Gwyneth Paltrow learned that a few years ago - you would have thought Heather would have taken notice. As I said upthread, initially I didn't understand the dislike of Heather. But I've come to see that in her eyes, being Chief Stew is not about being a leader - it's an affirmation in her mind that she's the best stew and gets to pick which tasks she wants to do. She'd be wise to really pay attention to Eddie to learn about leadership and see what she can pick up from he lessons he's learning from Capt Lee.
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Post by annab on Jan 12, 2022 23:16:49 GMT
Heather was also clueless to the fact that Capt. Lee might not want to participate in what the guests have dreamed up.. oh wait, she dreamt up. It kinda goes with what you all are saying. She's in Heather's world and everyone else is just playing along...
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Post by JustJuls on Jan 18, 2022 22:42:31 GMT
But I bet Heather's vow renewal idea helped in getting them their best tip yet I'm glad we got to see those convo's between Rayna and Eddie and also Eddie and Captain Lee. Now we know both Eddie and Captain Lee weren't ok with it or trying to sweep it under the rug. I like the new stew. She isn't flashy so she kind of slipped right in and fit in. I'm glad that Fraser apologized to her and to Heather for his insecurities before having even met her. That showed growth on his part. I'm liking him more and more. Some of his lines are hilarious.
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