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Post by Navybelle on May 23, 2024 2:26:20 GMT
It will be interesting to hear why Maria didn't vote for Charlie. I'm surprised by that. And while I am happy for Kenzie, I still feel bad for Charlie. Ben's just happy to be there! hahaha
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 2:30:23 GMT
They're very obviously in Kenzie's corner. Tiff being a big voice over there has a huge influence, I feel. I feel bad for Charlie. They're almost laughing at him, dismissing his comments and challenging him more than they are Kenzie. Charlie's been a great player, and I hoped he would win. But now they're favoring Kenzie I believe. Ben has no shot at this. Soda was well spoken. I want to Tiff to just shut up. I honestly thought Charlie was going to win this season. He made an alliance with Kenzie, Ben and Liz. Thought it would be an easy win. Wow Maria was the deciding factor. I get why she voted for Kenzie, and that made the difference.
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Post by tilden on May 23, 2024 2:33:33 GMT
I feel awful for Charlie. Maria not voting for him because of " the fire in her eye" and Q voting basically because he feels sorry for Kenzie's hard life had nothing to do with the long game.
I also don't like Kenzie making that snarky remark about how she wanted to say she was going to start a non-profit, too, but that's not why she came out there. Neither Charlie nor Ben said they were going to start non-profits but that they wanted to donate to non-profits for causes they had already worked with, and Charlie also said he wanted to invest some of the money in himself by paying for law school. I also have a hard time swallowing how she's always been about helping other people because earlier in the game, she was pretty mean-girl petty about having the power to vote people out she wanted gone, so she's not always been the optimistic little people supporter even in this game.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 2:34:46 GMT
Charlie looks crushed. Sad to see him right now. But, how brave of him to say the jury makes the right vote, chooses the right winner! Proud of you Charlie!
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Post by Navybelle on May 23, 2024 2:36:01 GMT
I feel awful for Charlie. Maria not voting for him because of " the fire in her eye" and Q voting basically because he feels sorry for Kenzie's hard life had nothing to do with the long game. Charlie looked very hurt by Maria and her comments. Poor guy.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 2:36:44 GMT
I feel awful for Charlie. Maria not voting for him because of " the fire in her eye" and Q voting basically because he feels sorry for Kenzie's hard life had nothing to do with the long game. Part of me agrees 100%, I’m not a big fan of social game winners. But, Kenzie also won more immunity challenges than Charlie did too. So there is that. ![:shrug](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/UjEYIawKr0DSmqWzXgnU.gif)
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Post by tilden on May 23, 2024 2:41:59 GMT
I feel awful for Charlie. Maria not voting for him because of " the fire in her eye" and Q voting basically because he feels sorry for Kenzie's hard life had nothing to do with the long game. Part of me agrees 100%, I’m not a big fan of social game winners. But, Kenzie also won more immunity challenges than Charlie did too. So there is that. ![:shrug](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/UjEYIawKr0DSmqWzXgnU.gif) Yeah, if you count her third win, which happened because she and Liz were allowed to play team-mates in an individual challenge---even Kenzie herself halfway admitted that in the final tribal. I hope in the future they make it clear that individual challenges are individual challenges. If a player wants to give up to allow someone else to win, that's their business but no one should get to help someone else win because they want to prevent another person from winning. I cannot believe that after Kenzie was okay with that happening that Maria voted for her. For me, Charlie was always more straightforward about what he was doing than Kenzie was and she was quicker to sell out people she claimed to be working with, like Tiffany, whom she was okay with being sent home even before the merge if necessary. Charlie wasn't after Maria until it got to the point where they both had to consider the other one more of a threat than an ally.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 2:44:12 GMT
I’m Not sticking up for Maria, but Charlie did betray her and broke out of that alliance a long ways back. He fake played along with Maria because he needed to, it was I n his best interest to pretend to agree with her because she kept winning immunity. Maria went to jury, I’m sure she heard all about Charlie’s betrayal and attempts to get her voted out. Tiff would have shared that info right away.
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Post by FireWoman on May 23, 2024 2:45:30 GMT
I called this win, I knew the jury was going to base their vote mostly on non-game things. The fact Ben won the final immunity was the only kink in my vision. I felt it was going to be Liz, Charlie, and Kenz. In the end final result was the same Kenz winning, Charlie in second, and someone else getting no votes.
Kenzie had a connection to almost every member of that jury, there was no way she was not going to win. Personally I wanted Charlie, and in some part Liz, to win.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 2:59:15 GMT
Survivor 47 whoo hoo! I’m ready!
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Post by tilden on May 23, 2024 3:01:19 GMT
I’m Not sticking up for Maria, but Charlie did betray her and broke out of that alliance a long ways back. He fake played along with Maria because he needed to, it was I n his best interest to pretend to agree with her because she kept winning immunity. Maria went to jury, I’m sure she heard all about Charlie’s betrayal and attempts to get her voted out. Tiff would have shared that info right away. I'd agree that would be a point except Maria knew, and admitted, that she was going after Charlie at the same point he was going after her. They each knew that about the other. Plus, it's not as if Kenzie didn't want her out just as much as Charlie did, if not more than he did. Also, again, Charlie did his best to try and beat her in that last challenge, but he didn't work with someone to beat her, as Kenzie did---in fact, Kenzie isn't even the one who figured out she had to go back for that board with the holes in it. Liz figured that out and Liz went back and got it for her and Liz counted the holes for her, allowing Kenzie to concentrate just on counting the geckos. And then Maria was supposed to feel all complimented that it took the two of them to beat her? GMAFB. I also don't buy that Kenzie's business is all about giving other people opportunities because if she wasn't making a living at it herself, there's no way she could keep the salon open. If the jury bought that, they really were just feeling, not thinking because it doesn't even make sense. Maybe she's not making as much of a profit as she could, but if she's not making a decent profit for herself, she'd not keeping the doors open or keeping a roof over her own head. If they were concerned about someone being broke and needing a break, they should have been voting for Ben, who wanted to help out his parents and a non-profit he believed in as well as trying to get his own musical carer going.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 3:53:42 GMT
Well Charlie announced his choice to rally the troupes against Maria long before Maria spoke it. Charlie has wanted Maria out since before Tiff (at least according to the edit). But, it's splitting hairs at this point. Maria saying it was "the fire in her eye" when Kenzie made fire, and won her spot, may/may not have been the honest answer. (As soon as she hit jury, Maria was also going to be influenced.) Maybe, it was as simple as wanting a woman to win? Kenzie struggling her entire life to make a go of it, versus Charlie having a law degree may have also influenced her, I actually don't like the question 'what will you do with the money?' Because it makes the choice emotional instead of who played the better game. But, the question was allowed and they each answered sincerely. After Maria went to jury it didn't matter much to me, both played a good game. Although, Kenzie probably deserved a point just for having to be on Q/Bhanu's team. Does second place still win $100,000 and third $85,000?
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Post by FannyMare on May 23, 2024 7:08:45 GMT
Liz was a legend in her own mind. I'm pleased for Kenzie, I think she's a nice person, she sure won me over Any of the three could have won, I wasn't rooting for any one really.
Charlie went at it too analytically, whereas Kenzie was just herself, spoke from the heart.
Tired, hungry , sleep deprived, they were all so emotional, I would have been.
Maria voting for Kenzie , I think she was pissed off Charlie lasted longer than her. Sore loser imho. Charlie was definitely very hurt. I think if the roles were reversed, Charlie would have kept his word and voted for Maria.
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Post by beerbelly on May 23, 2024 10:45:18 GMT
Charlie's nerves seemed to get the best of him; his personality wasn't shining and came off really unlikeable. And law school? Kenzie just was full of charm.
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Post by FireWoman on May 23, 2024 14:14:12 GMT
I also don't buy that Kenzie's business is all about giving other people opportunities because if she wasn't making a living at it herself, there's no way she could keep the salon open. If the jury bought that, they really were just feeling, not thinking because it doesn't even make sense. Maybe she's not making as much of a profit as she could, but if she's not making a decent profit for herself, she'd not keeping the doors open or keeping a roof over her own head. If they were concerned about someone being broke and needing a break, they should have been voting for Ben, who wanted to help out his parents and a non-profit he believed in as well as trying to get his own musical carer going. I did find truth in that to be honest. If she is doing a booth rental model and is only charging enough to cover rent/utility/laundry costs she is likely not making a ton of money. She did say any person looking at her business model would think she was nuts. She can charge a stylist any given price weekly/monthly and no matter if they make a hundred or a thousand dollars a day she would see none of that. I am willing to bet that all her profit is her own service income. Booth rental is a great way to say you have your own business and have others cover operating costs... in turn they too can say they own their own business, get a good foothold in the industry, and benefit from being part of an established salon. The pandemic hit salons hard and many had to rethink how they did do business, so yeah I did find a lot of truth in what she was saying.
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Post by sunnydayz on May 23, 2024 15:27:19 GMT
Good for Ben on not getting Liz to the final three. That would have been awful. Although a tiny part of me wanted her to get there just to see that she would get ZERO votes from the jury. I suppose even if she did get zero votes, she would have said it was because the jury knows she doesn't need the money. The woman is delusional - a legend in her own mind indeed.
Charlie looked extremely nervous from the time Liz walked out to jury, until Kenzie was announced the winner. I thought he might pass out or throw up at some point because he looked so uncomfortable. I felt bad for him.
Maria looked like a spoiled brat who was jealous that Charlie got to the end, and she didn't. I got a bit tired of her saying how good she is, what a competitor she is, how marvelous she is, blah blah blah these last couple of episodes. Sour grapes giving her vote to Kenzie.
If Maria had tried to help Charlie win the immunity challenge, the way that Liz helped Kenzie, Maria might have ended up in the final three with Charlie. Not likely I know....but her brain didn't even go there - she just wanted Charlie out before she got out. She must have thought if she could Charlie out, she'd have the win in the bag.
Happy for Kenzie. I couldn't stand her for at least the first half of the season. I guess her edit changed to more of a winner's edit as time went on. For whatever reason, I was rooting for her a bit these last couple of episodes.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 19:01:11 GMT
Liz was a legend in her own mind. I'm pleased for Kenzie, I think she's a nice person, she sure won me over Any of the three could have won, I wasn't rooting for any one really. Charlie went at it too analytically, whereas Kenzie was just herself, spoke from the heart. Tired, hungry , sleep deprived, they were all so emotional, I would have been. Maria voting for Kenzie , I think she was pissed off Charlie lasted longer than her. Sore loser imho. Charlie was definitely very hurt. I think if the roles were reversed, Charlie would have kept his word and voted for Maria.Yes, absolutely. Charlie would have been there for her. Something must have happened overnight, when Maria got to discuss with the other jury members. She was very sincere leaving tribal, those hugs were meaningful to each of them.
Then finale, she looked angry, or maybe her serious face looks angry. I immediately thought she isn't voting for Charlie. Does she regret it now?
"She said it was the fire in Kenzie’s eyes during the fire-making competition. Do you buy that or do you think it was something else?
I honestly don't know. I've heard a lot of different things from Pondy, which I don't think is necessarily inconsistent with that, but honestly, it's really hard to pin down with Maria because for literally the whole last year, she's pretty much been on message with that. Obviously, we've tried to talk about this and I've tried to nurture a friendship as best I could. But yeah, I mean it's so up and down with her. Weeks after the game, she called me and told me she regretted her vote for Kenzie. She wished she voted for me. And then she came to visit Boston one time and then was saying, “Oh, I can't have any regrets, so I don't regret it anymore.”
"And so I'm really just done with the whole flip-flopping of your reasons why. A couple days ago, she texted me and texted me completely new reasons about why she voted for Kenzie that she hadn't said for an entire year. So I'm pretty much just done with that type of guessing game with her. I never know if I'll get the right answer. I think I have a pretty good idea in my mind. I think she should stick to her reasons at the after-show. That's been the most consistent that she said, but it is what it is. At Pondy, I think there was a lot going on, but in my eyes, it's almost like a perfect control experiment. In the game, she left and said she was going to vote for me. Something happens in her mind at Pondy and all of a sudden that's switched up. Yeah, I've definitely done my detective work."
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Post by FannyMare on May 23, 2024 19:10:07 GMT
I've seen deleted scenes with Marie, one with Ben. She certainly wasn't mother earth, or mom, but she cemented my dislike for her. Survivor 47 , I'll be there.
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Post by beerbelly on May 23, 2024 19:27:17 GMT
Oh wow. Poor Charlie. That sounds horrible. Yeah, I dislike her too. That's torturous.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 19:46:25 GMT
This is from the article linked above: Charlie:"One of my favorite moments of the entire experience was literally on the last night right after Liz had gone home, Ben had a panic attack at night, and I woke up with him and was just being there for him. And we had a really funny moment on the beach where I just fireman carried him, put him on my shoulder, and I was yelling Lord of the Rings quotes and running him up and down the beach. That's just an example of how close we were. I was just as much there for him as Kenzie in terms of panic attacks. He was there for me, and we had a really close strategic relationship too. People didn't really see that on the show, but if Maria was my number one, Ben was my anti-Maria faction number one, when I was putting those pieces into place. They had a real butting of heads after the Tim vote, and their relationship was barely there. There was a very faint line connecting them, and I was basically trying to wrangle them together for a couple votes, but ultimately that wasn't shown too much. But Ben and I were strategizing super close and had a really close personal bond."
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 19:53:40 GMT
I've seen deleted scenes with Marie, one with Ben. She certainly wasn't mother earth, or mom, but she cemented my dislike for her. Survivor 47 , I'll be there. Yeah, this article changed my feelings for her as well. Had Maria not flip flopped her vote, Ben would have voted for Charlie.
Kenzie had won over: Tevin, Q, Venus, and Tiffany.
Charlie had: Hunter, Liz and Soda. Maria's vote would have resulted in Ben breaking the tie in favor of Charlie.
She must be facing a lot of guilt right now. (Although now that this interview is out, she is probably never going to speak to him again. ) Her loss.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 20:02:44 GMT
Here is something more from Screen Rant: Screen Rant: Charlie Davis "Though Maria and Charlie were both angling to win Survivor 46, the fact that he ended her game during the final five tribal council should’ve been a major achievement for the 25-year-old law student. Maria, who played the game to beat Charlie throughout, appeared to respect the move he made in getting rid of her when he did. Even though she said she respected his move, Maria chose not to vote for Charlie in the end, claiming Kenzie felt more deserving. Maria’s vote for Kenzie was not about gameplay as much as it was about her hurt surrounding the elimination. Though Charlie and Maria’s relationship appears to have been destroyed by her decision in the game, the Survivor star shared that he isn’t holding anything from the game against Maria. Charlie explained that he’s looking forward to being able to speak about the game freely, and is happy to be open about his experience. While he may not have won Survivor 46, Charlie was able to have the experience of a lifetime and build connections he’ll likely cherish for years to come."
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 20:19:23 GMT
So, "if" anyone is interested ![:lol](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/kZvKcZukVaJcAqJidzda.gif) there was a Maria Interview that I enjoyed reading. (Sorry Rob has a Podcasts are too long for me today.) Here is an interesting part that I had wondered about (whether she was bitter toward Charlie for making moves even before she did.). EW: I don't know how much he told you before voting you out at final five or if it came to you later at Ponderosa, but what was your reaction when you heard that Charlie was coming for you at the same time you were gunning for Charlie?Maria: I mean, I loved it, the competitor in me. When we had made our Malcolm and Denise alliance, I think we both knew that at some point we were going to have to come for each other. I didn't know until after the game that he was coming for me even before I was thinking of coming for him, which is amazing. That's what should happen. You play the game together as long as you can, and then you have to find your own way to the end. So I love that he did that. I love that. I took a shot and it missed. The whole thing was poetic.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 20:43:03 GMT
![:lol](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/kZvKcZukVaJcAqJidzda.gif) the Backlash over Liz being allowed to "help" Kenzie by running after the hole plank is huge. (I was upset at first as well, but am now grateful she did.) Fan Seth: If you can team up on immunity challenges, could Liz have taken Maria’s puzzle pieces and thrown them I to the woods? What Liz did was illegal and against the 20 year history of the game. If you can assist someone in an immunity challenge can you also tackle someone so they don’t win? It is an individual challenge and Liz should have been told that she could not physically help Kenzie. Fan Michelle: I think Kenzie should be stripped of the immunity challenge necklace. She did not win it on her own. She should be disqualified. It is an individual immunity not a tag team immunity. Really Survivor, should fix it. These chick’s have no class, had to cheat to win. Disqualify Kenzi & Lizzy from the game. (Tons of messages like these. It's like TAR Danny/Angie elimination all over again.)
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Post by FannyMare on May 23, 2024 20:43:39 GMT
I've seen deleted scenes with Marie, one with Ben. She certainly wasn't mother earth, or mom, but she cemented my dislike for her. Survivor 47 , I'll be there. Yeah, this article changed my feelings for her as well. Had Maria not flip flopped her vote, Ben would have voted for Charlie.
Kenzie had won over: Tevin, Q, Venus, and Tiffany.
Charlie had: Hunter, Liz and Soda. Maria's vote would have resulted in Ben breaking the tie in favor of Charlie.
She must be facing a lot of guilt right now. (Although now that this interview is out, she is probably never going to speak to him again. ) Her loss.
Q wanted Charlie out for the longest time.. Do I think he changed his vote? I don't think he'd of voted for Charlie.. Qs vote wasn't about the game of Survivor, or who played it the best. Tiffany was honest in her vote. I'm not mad Kenzie won, I'm disappointed for Charlie.
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Post by FannyMare on May 23, 2024 20:46:29 GMT
![:lol](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/kZvKcZukVaJcAqJidzda.gif) the Backlash over Liz being allowed to "help" Kenzie by running after the hole plank is huge. (I was upset at first as well, but am now grateful she did.) Fan Seth: If you can team up on immunity challenges, could Liz have taken Maria’s puzzle pieces and thrown them I to the woods? What Liz did was illegal and against the 20 year history of the game. If you can assist someone in an immunity challenge can you also tackle someone so they don’t win? It is an individual challenge and Liz should have been told that she could not physically help Kenzie. Fan Michelle: I think Kenzie should be stripped of the immunity challenge necklace. She did not win it on her own. She should be disqualified. It is an individual immunity not a tag team immunity. Really Survivor, should fix it. These chick’s have no class, had to cheat to win. Disqualify Kenzi & Lizzy from the game. (Tons of messages like these. It's like TAR Danny/Angie elimination all over again.) I was surprised they allowed it, it didn't seem fair to me. I'm betting someone heard about that after that challenge. Maria was pissed .
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 20:53:27 GMT
Me too FannyMare. That's exactly how I feel.
Charlie said that the real reason (she was voting for him when she left, but changed her mind after being at Ponderosa) was because of something at Ponderosa. Someone got to her, and that changed her completely. I think She was a bitter juror because of it. Liz voting for Charlie was (I think) also a bitter vote because of Kenzie making fire. So, in a way, they cancelled each other. Which makes it easier for me to accept that Kenzie won. She still had 4 votes to his 2.
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Post by Mikesgirl on May 23, 2024 23:45:22 GMT
Kenzie is pregnant! Due in September. Here is something I enjoyed reading from her interview though: Dalton: So what happened after the cameras turned off? You win a million dollars, are drinking champagne, there's pizza, you do the after-show. What happens after that? Kenzie: After that, the final three, it's so hard. I was so blacked out processing everything. I was like, I just won. I felt awful for Ben and Charlie. It was like a weird guilt, excitement mixture. And we all took a boat back to Ponderosa, the three of us together, and it was really special. And then we were partying with everyone, but we were so dirty. Everyone had been hanging out together and partying, and me and Charlie and Ben were kind of like… the after-show was all just too much and the three of us all just went to Ben's room and sat in the hot tub together, just the three of us. It was actually a bathtub outside, and we hung out and processed everything together. It was really special to end it with them. Dalton: Obviously, the question you're going to be answering all day: What are you going to do with the money? Kenzie: I am investing it, actually. I'm not touching it. I really did go out there to set up myself for retirement. I am going to take a little bit longer of a maternity leave than I would've originally, but yeah, I'm going to be working the same. I'm living the same. I'm pretty much just putting it away and forgetting about it and I'm going to be able to retire someday. Survivor 46 Kenzie Petty
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Post by momat40pls on May 24, 2024 11:04:12 GMT
I honestly didn’t have a problem with Liz helping Kenzie. I thought it was a strategic move.
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Post by mosskito on May 24, 2024 12:43:31 GMT
Why didn't Jeff poll the judges and ask them how many would have voted for Liz if she had made the final three being that she was so bold as to arrogantly claim that she would have "beaten all of them"? I am confident she would have received ZERO votes. Most annoying Player Ever.
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