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Post by Critical on Mar 15, 2020 6:52:41 GMT
This is why women don't speak out! If they do, they're attacked....and if they don't do it at the "right" time, they're attacked. Kudos for Kate Beckinsale for coming forward. I agree with her that there was nothing to be accomplished by her going public at the time. In her case, Weinstein was just acting like a grade-a scumbag, but he didn't do anything illegal. If she'd gone public at the time, he would have ruined her career like he did with so many others. Things were very different in 2001.
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Post by justCoz on Mar 15, 2020 14:45:42 GMT
This is why women don't speak out! If they do, they're attacked....and if they don't do it at the "right" time, they're attacked. Kudos for Kate Beckinsale for coming forward. I agree with her that there was nothing to be accomplished by her going public at the time. In her case, Weinstein was just acting like a grade-a scumbag, but he didn't do anything illegal. If she'd gone public at the time, he would have ruined her career like he did with so many others. Things were very different in 2001.
Not to mention that if she tried to say something when everything else was coming to light she would have seemed insensitive to those women. I understand why she waited to say it, even if those horrible trolls don't. She didn't want it to seem like she thought what happened to her was at the same level as what happened to those other women. I think it showed great sensitivity to them.
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Post by Critical on Mar 23, 2020 1:22:20 GMT
Karma is real, people! Weinstein has the coronavirus.
There aren't many people I would say this about, but I'll make an exception in his case: I hope he dies a slow and agonizing death. It's no less than he deserves.
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Post by AZChristian on Mar 23, 2020 3:00:48 GMT
Karma is real, people! Weinstein has the coronavirus.
There aren't many people I would say this about, but I'll make an exception in his case: I hope he dies a slow and agonizing death. It's no less than he deserves.
Well, to hear him and his attorney tell it, just being in prison would kill him because of his poor health. He may have spoken his own truth.
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Post by Critical on Mar 23, 2020 3:03:12 GMT
Karma is real, people! Weinstein has the coronavirus.
There aren't many people I would say this about, but I'll make an exception in his case: I hope he dies a slow and agonizing death. It's no less than he deserves.
Well, to hear him and his attorney tell it, just being in prison would kill him because of his poor health. He may have spoken his own truth. I mean....fingers crossed.
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Post by MissScarlet on Mar 23, 2020 3:59:12 GMT
Karma is real, people! Weinstein has the coronavirus.
There aren't many people I would say this about, but I'll make an exception in his case: I hope he dies a slow and agonizing death. It's no less than he deserves.
Interesting. That's all I have to say about this.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 23, 2020 5:22:00 GMT
Karma is real, people! Weinstein has the coronavirus.
There aren't many people I would say this about, but I'll make an exception in his case: I hope he dies a slow and agonizing death. It's no less than he deserves.
Really. Oh I do love Karma.
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Post by Kao on Mar 23, 2020 21:04:16 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Mar 24, 2020 9:28:35 GMT
I say kudos to the publishers, Arcade!!! It's nice to know that free speech is still permitted by the public of this country, whether we like the subject matter or not.
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Post by Critical on Mar 24, 2020 20:25:25 GMT
I'm at a loss as to how the wording of the First Amendment can be translated to "Pedophile Woody Allen deserves a book deal." I have a wholesale account with Skyhorse Publishing, of which Arcade is an imprint, and I've done business with them. I'm not happy about this and will likely contact them to express my disappointment....you know, to exercise my right to free speech
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Post by acookertv on Mar 24, 2020 20:37:47 GMT
One can take a view of free speech that is purely legalistic and strictly bound by the words of the Constitution. Or, one can take a view of free speech that is more of a concept as it applies to general public discourse and the way we all live and understand each other. I won't speak for Imperfect here (free speech and all) but to me, the broader concept is applicable here. As I've said before on the subject, I think that we're all better off when public discourse allows for unpopular ideas to be spoken so that those who want to understand the thinking - even for the purposes of curbing it - have the opportunity to understand it. I will always embrace "why exactly do you think that?" as a better response to unfavorable speech than "shut up".
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Post by MissScarlet on Mar 24, 2020 21:32:03 GMT
When it comes to sexual abuse or pedophiles, I prefer the "shut up". I don't want to know or hear why anyone thinks it's acceptable, or something that time will erase. That's not freedom of speech, it's continuing to victimize the victim(s).
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Post by acookertv on Mar 24, 2020 21:50:25 GMT
When it comes to sexual abuse or pedophiles, I prefer the "shut up". I don't want to know or hear why anyone thinks it's acceptable, or something that time will erase. That's not freedom of speech, it's continuing to victimize the victim(s). I respect that. But when it comes to a book, the choice can be made where you can not read it, and others can choose to if they wish. Now I will say that I absolutely draw the line and would NOT extend free speech to any book that was written for the purposes of recruitment or a guide on how to get away which child abuse any any form. But that's not what this is. When it's a matter of explaining a point of view, I think there are people who can read it and understand how and why he did what he did for the purposes of preventing others from doing the same. I see value in that.
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Post by Kao on Mar 25, 2020 1:23:57 GMT
Even when the publisher didn't fact-check with Mia, Dylan, or her brother? Even when he talks about a 17 year old girl "not being able to keep her hands off him" as if his soggy, saggy flesh was an aphrodisiac (and make decent people want to snatch their skin off in disgust when they read that passage)? I don't care for Soon-Yi but he took a young girl's grudge against her mother and his grooming of her to make her complicit in her own abuse in this book, and that's particularly foul.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 25, 2020 10:46:17 GMT
Even when the publisher didn't fact-check with Mia, Dylan, or her brother? Even when he talks about a 17 year old girl "not being able to keep her hands off him" as if his soggy, saggy flesh was an aphrodisiac (and make decent people want to snatch their skin off in disgust when they read that passage)? I don't care for Soon-Yi but he took a young girl's grudge against her mother and his grooming of her to make her complicit in her own abuse in this book, and that's particularly foul. Yes, even with those things. Make no mistake - I am not endorsing anything he's said or done. I'm simply saying that screaming "shut up" will do absolutely nothing for us to ensure that other kids don't go through it.
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Post by Critical on Mar 28, 2020 3:13:20 GMT
First review of Woody's memoir is in. Yeah, WaPo did NOT like it
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 28, 2020 7:08:57 GMT
First review of Woody's memoir is in. Yeah, WaPo did NOT like it
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Post by AZChristian on Mar 29, 2020 16:25:39 GMT
Bill Cosby wants out of prison because he's old and blind and is afraid of coronavirus.
I propose we put him into isolation with Harvey Weinstein.
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Post by beerbelly on Mar 30, 2020 11:42:38 GMT
The NYT didn't like it either: www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/books/review-apropos-of-nothing-memoir-woody-allen.html"Nearly every time a woman is mentioned, there’s a gratuitous pronouncement on her looks. Early on, he chases “delectable bohemian little kumquats” in New York City. While in London filming “Casino Royale” (1967), a James Bond spoof, he writes, “one could stroll on the Kings Road and pick up the most adorable birds in their miniskirts.” Birds? I kept waiting for him to sail to Australia to scoop up a basket of “Sheilas.”
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Post by Critical on Mar 30, 2020 17:13:40 GMT
The NYT didn't like it either: www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/books/review-apropos-of-nothing-memoir-woody-allen.html"Nearly every time a woman is mentioned, there’s a gratuitous pronouncement on her looks. Early on, he chases “delectable bohemian little kumquats” in New York City. While in London filming “Casino Royale” (1967), a James Bond spoof, he writes, “one could stroll on the Kings Road and pick up the most adorable birds in their miniskirts.” Birds? I kept waiting for him to sail to Australia to scoop up a basket of “Sheilas.” Birds? Kumquats? Gross. Not even “women” or “girls.” Like they’re not even human.
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2020 17:28:46 GMT
The NYT didn't like it either: www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/books/review-apropos-of-nothing-memoir-woody-allen.html"Nearly every time a woman is mentioned, there’s a gratuitous pronouncement on her looks. Early on, he chases “ delectable bohemian little kumquats” in New York City. While in London filming “Casino Royale” (1967), a James Bond spoof, he writes, “one could stroll on the Kings Road and pick up the most adorable birds in their miniskirts.” Birds? I kept waiting for him to sail to Australia to scoop up a basket of “Sheilas.” This is PATHETIC. DISGUSTING. Who the hell would even buy this book? TOTAL FAIL. PERIOD.
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Post by AZChristian on Mar 30, 2020 17:48:23 GMT
The NYT didn't like it either: www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/books/review-apropos-of-nothing-memoir-woody-allen.html"Nearly every time a woman is mentioned, there’s a gratuitous pronouncement on her looks. Early on, he chases “ delectable bohemian little kumquats” in New York City. While in London filming “Casino Royale” (1967), a James Bond spoof, he writes, “one could stroll on the Kings Road and pick up the most adorable birds in their miniskirts.” Birds? I kept waiting for him to sail to Australia to scoop up a basket of “Sheilas.” This is PATHETIC. DISGUSTING. Who the hell would even buy this book? TOTAL FAIL. PERIOD. And who the hell except Woody Allen could get this disgusting drivel published (other than self-publishing). Remember - this man was PAID . . . probably WELL . . . for this stuff that wouldn't earn a college student a C- in a Creative Writing class.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 30, 2020 17:55:57 GMT
I'm truly not a Woody Allen apologist despite my posts in this thread. I have no read the book - I have no desire to as Allen is not someone I've ever really admired or wanted to hear a lot from. But as I understand it, this is a memoir of his entire life / career, not simply the stories of the women he's disrespected and slept with. So to the question of who could get such a book published - I'd say anyone with a film career that has gone for as long as his had. For aspiring filmmakers, the parts stories about how he made it, how he went about making movies, etc SHOULD be inspirational ... if written well. Not being a fan of his movies, I'm not a fan of the way he writes or the message he has to share. But I can see that he at least at one point had an audience that was big enough that clearly there are people out there (or were) who enjoyed hearing from him. Even before accusations came out against him, the consistent criticism I've heard for as long as I've been able to understand it was that Allen had a very distorted and demeaning view of women. It's seen in his movies, and apparently on the pages of his book as well. I'll tell you what I would be interested in reading about -- the perspective of women like Diane Keaton and Mia Farrow who were in his orbit for so many years as to WHY it was so appealing to be around a man who seems to be so open in his disrespect for women. I genuinely want to understand what was so appealing about that. I can look at someone like Soon Yi and figure that his power and money are part of the appeal. But Keaton and Farrow have proven they can stand on their own. So why?
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Post by Imperfect1 on Mar 31, 2020 11:30:23 GMT
Even before accusations came out against him, the consistent criticism I've heard for as long as I've been able to understand it was that Allen had a very distorted and demeaning view of women. It's seen in his movies, and apparently on the pages of his book as well. I'll tell you what I would be interested in reading about -- the perspective of women like Diane Keaton and Mia Farrow who were in his orbit for so many years as to WHY it was so appealing to be around a man who seems to be so open in his disrespect for women. I genuinely want to understand what was so appealing about that. I can look at someone like Soon Yi and figure that his power and money are part of the appeal. But Keaton and Farrow have proven they can stand on their own. So why?I too have always wondered how the gorgeous and successful wives/girlfriends of disgusting, repulsive, and twisted men, can stand to be with them -- for example, the beautiful and super talented and successful Georgina Chapman (the Marchesa fashion house) who was married to Harvey Weinstein. I understand being drawn to the money and power, but some of the men who have that are so, so horrible!
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Post by Kao on Apr 1, 2020 1:24:35 GMT
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Post by Critical on Apr 1, 2020 1:38:42 GMT
I literally read a blind item about R. Kelly the other day about how, in case he gets that release, someone on his team was working to get a private plane ready to fly him somewhere like Saudi Arabia or another country that the US doesn't have an extradition treaty with. He's an evil predator. Glad the judge saw it the same way.
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Post by MissScarlet on Apr 1, 2020 2:54:25 GMT
I say he's Candidate #3 to share that cell with Harvey Weinstein & Bill Cosby. Throw in a bit of coronavirus & then sit back & watch.
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 1, 2020 5:34:44 GMT
I say he's Candidate #3 to share that cell with Harvey Weinstein & Bill Cosby. Throw in a bit of coronavirus & then sit back & watch. 100% !!
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Post by AZChristian on Apr 1, 2020 13:29:30 GMT
I say he's Candidate #3 to share that cell with Harvey Weinstein & Bill Cosby. Throw in a bit of coronavirus & then sit back & watch. Weinstein has already tested positive. That's why I wanted Cosby to share space with him.
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Post by dagwood on Apr 1, 2020 14:02:22 GMT
They are letting inmates out of the jails here, but just the minor crimes, possession etc. If the DA or the Judge feels they are a danger to society then no, they aren't getting out. I can't imagine anyone letting someone like him out. I am on board with the house him with Cosby and Weinstein idea. Who do we contact to make that happen?
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